Tkd?

[Onenameleft]

I'm considering a TKD for a while. Anyone with any experience in this? I'm looking for suggestions as to how many carbs to eat and whether you prefer to take them before or after the workout. I've read on them, and I see both suggested. I'm hoping someone's tried this. I workout first thing in the morning somedays, and at lunch on somedays. I'll be doing cardio the other time. i.e. on days that I workout early, I'll do cardio at lunch, and vice versa.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

I'm considering a TKD for a while. Anyone with any experience in this? I'm looking for suggestions as to how many carbs to eat and whether you prefer to take them before or after the workout. I've read on them, and I see both suggested. I'm hoping someone's tried this. I workout first thing in the morning somedays, and at lunch on somedays. I'll be doing cardio the other time. i.e. on days that I workout early, I'll do cardio at lunch, and vice versa.

I ASSUME YOU MEAN CKD-YOU MUST STAY BELOW 20GRAMS CARBS A DAY FOR 5 STRAIGHT DAYS-THEN HAVE ALOT OF CARBS THE NEXT DAY OR 2-DO NOT EAT CARBS BEFORE WORKING OUT-YOU CAN EAT THEM ONLY AFTER YOU'VE LIFTED 3 DAYS OUT OF 7-CARDIO IS NOT NEEDED IF YOU LIFT 3 DAYS A WEEK

 

[Mr.X]

Dear Onenameleft,

Yes, TDK (Target-Ketonic-Diet) is a feasible way to run a modified version of CKD. Basically, you have carbs before your workout, as a result, the carbs will raise blood sugar levels, but, at the same time, the workout will lower blood sugar causing your body to shift back into ketosis. I did my own version of TKD with my blood meter that measures Ketones...
workout was long but usually my workout are 2hrs as is...I'm sure the time-frame for the workout is not really the biggest problem...I think lowering that blood sugar is the main goal.

7 am
Woke up
Glucose 30
Ketones 29

7:45
Glucose 41
Ketones 26

8:00
had...40 grams of maltodextrin
Glucose 44
Ketone 20

8:30
Glucose 140
Ketones: 0, - negative

8:35
Started workout
Glucose 119
Ketones 0

9:30
Glucose: 90
Ketone 0

10:30
Glucose 60
Ketones 7
all ketones getting used up in workout

11:10
Glucose 55
Ketones 1
no ketones due to hard workout

11:10
Finished workout

11:20
Glucose 57
Ketones 2

11:30
Ate 40 g protein + 2tbsp. Flaxseed oil

12:00
Glucose 59
Ketones 2

12:45
Glucose 50
Ketones 34
11:30 meal effecting level of Ketones

1:30
4oz. of chuck steak + 1 tbsp. Flaxseed oil
Glucose 59
Ketones 44

2:15
Glucose 67
Ketones 29

3:00
Glucose 61
Ketones 35


Mr.X

 

[Onenameleft]

Thanks Mr. X.. Yes, Targeted Keto is what I was talking about. I appreciate your input. I'm very slow to get into ketosis is why I don't do the CKD. My blood sugar gets down to about 70, and then just hovers even with high fat and exercise. I thought maybe this would be a good alternative so that I don't kick myself way out of ketosis ever. I'm going to try taking just hi GI carbs within 30 minutes after I lift, and see how it goes. Basically, I'm hoping to be in ketosis within just a few hours afterward. What do you think about the idea of lifting in ketosis, and then 65-70g of carbs immediately after counting on the insulin spike to shuttle the bulk of them to my muscles and leave my blood sugar low for a quick reentry into ketosis? If I try it, I'll post periodic updates and how I feel at the different points in the day. I need a glucometer that measures ketones and blood sugar.. Mine just does sugar. Thanks for your break down.. The times and how your levels changed gives me a starting point. Then I'll just have to adjust it as I see how things are working. Diamond, thanks for your response too.. I've done CKDs, but like I said, they don't do to well, because I don't have enough time in ketosis before I have to carb back up. Check out Lyle McDonald's book 'The Ketogenic Diet' if you're interested. He goes into TKDs pretty thouroghly with theoretical numbers for how many carbs you need per set of lifting. I just wasn't sure how good his numbers were, and I was hoping someone on here had tried it. Anyone else got any input? Thanks again.

 

[Mr.X]

Onenameleft, no, in my view, 65-70g carbs after workout is not a feasible idea. The most I would recommend after a workout is 25-40g carbs (very HIGH-GI)...At this low rate of carb intake post-workout, you will be able to get into at least a semi-ketonic state way quicker. Thus, losing the body-fat and putting on muscle faster.

Mr.X