Tiredness on GH...anyone?

[ed2005]

I'm having severe lethargy problems on 2ius of Jinno's per day. I've only started what I hoped to be a 12 month cycle but my joints are sore and my energy levels are really poor, so much so I could sleep all the time. I was on Saizen before and never experienced this and in fact it made me feel full of energy, even euphoric.
Some current history, I'm 45, 225lbs, BF not sure, maybe 20%, diet pretty clean, lowish carbs, lots of protein, train hard 5 days per week with some cardio.
Any help to resolve the energy crisis would be appreciated, just mine though not the worldwide one..

 

[sensiemellia]

I'm having severe lethargy problems on 2ius of Jinno's per day. I've only started what I hoped to be a 12 month cycle but my joints are sore and my energy levels are really poor, so much so I could sleep all the time. I was on Saizen before and never experienced this and in fact it made me feel full of energy, even euphoric.
Some current history, I'm 45, 225lbs, BF not sure, maybe 20%, diet pretty clean, lowish carbs, lots of protein, train hard 5 days per week with some cardio.
Any help to resolve the energy crisis would be appreciated, just mine though not the worldwide one..

Gh zaps your insulin levels which will make you tired, keep up the liquids and insulin levels.. id recommend shot in the morning 1/2 b4 food then shot b4 training (if train in pm).. for the sore joints, my hubby experienced this, mainly knees and elbows.. apparantley EOD helps.. see thread

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391066

 

[ed2005]

Gh zaps your insulin levels which will make you tired, keep up the liquids and insulin levels.. id recommend shot in the morning 1/2 b4 food then shot b4 training (if train in pm).. for the sore joints, my hubby experienced this, mainly knees and elbows.. apparantley EOD helps.. see thread

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391066

Thanks for the help I read the post and actually contributed so was aware of your hubby's problems and now can empathise with them a little. My joint pains have diminished a little but the tiredness is still severe to the extent that it's effecting my work. I'm gonna try early evening shots before training and hope that the PW spike keeps my energy high and then maybe I'll sleep at nights.
Thanks again.
Ed. k

 

[nsashbl01]

How long have you been on the GH? Your body adapts and it gets better. be sure to drink lots of H20, (2 gallons if you can) and stay away from simple carbs. Eat plenty of high fiborous carbs. I was on 2iu for a feww months, the 4iu for a few and back to 2iu for the last few months. This week I was traveling and didn't want to bring it with me. So Mon through Thurs I did 2.5iu ed. Holy crap, I almost fell asleep driving home from work 2 times! It just takes time to adapt! Hang in there. Take it upon rising in the AM, and or split it and take it mid day also. Take it when your blood sugar is low, (on empty stomach).

Good luck. The stuff is magical, it just takes time....

 

[ed2005]

How long have you been on the GH? Your body adapts and it gets better. be sure to drink lots of H20, (2 gallons if you can) and stay away from simple carbs. Eat plenty of high fiborous carbs. I was on 2iu for a feww months, the 4iu for a few and back to 2iu for the last few months. This week I was traveling and didn't want to bring it with me. So Mon through Thurs I did 2.5iu ed. Holy crap, I almost fell asleep driving home from work 2 times! It just takes time to adapt! Hang in there. Take it upon rising in the AM, and or split it and take it mid day also. Take it when your blood sugar is low, (on empty stomach).

Good luck. The stuff is magical, it just takes time....

Thanks nsashbl01. I'll be sticking with it ok but the tiredness is damn worrying. I used Saizen last time and didn't have this so I'm thinking it must be Jinno's. The changes in body and body fat are aleady apparent but I suppose I was worried about hypoglycaemia and insulin problems. I've a blood test tomorrow so I'll get these levels checked. Apart from that my diet is pretty clean with lots of protein although my carbs are lowish as I'm cutting as well. The joint pains have all but gone now which is good. I don't sleep good at night and work and train hard so maybe I need more rest...
Thanks again
Ed
k

 

[xtc88]

the first 45day on gh are the worse .. i was so tired at first... i had to sleep in the after noon every day... after 60day , everything was fine ... i do even sleep better at night and had plenty of power all day long

 

[ed2005]

Thanks guys.
Well the update is a healthier picture... for anyone interested...
I changed my shot til afternoon, 2 hours before my workouts, reconstituted it with 2mls of Bacs water instead of 1 and changed to 5/2.
My BF has dropped off (I reckon down 8/10%), I have gone from 207lbs to 224lbs in 4 weeks, my muscles are growing daily although I am holding a lot of water but it's not that bad, my joint pains are gone and my energy is back full time. I'm still not sleeping great at nights but then after 3 years of insomnia I wouldn't expect that to change quickly. I'm only on 2ius a day, no AAS and am only 4 weeks in of a 6/12 month cycle. I must add that I am training harder and eating cleaner than I ever remember and have had a lot of good advice and take sups like Gloucerel R and T-Rex as well as a varied range of others. Hope this will help someone else going through the same process.
Cheers
Ed

 

[bigpat]

its normal be patient

 

[jdevlin1985]

Thanks guys.
Well the update is a healthier picture... for anyone interested...
I changed my shot til afternoon, 2 hours before my workouts, reconstituted it with 2mls of Bacs water instead of 1 and changed to 5/2.
My BF has dropped off (I reckon down 8/10%), I have gone from 207lbs to 224lbs in 4 weeks, my muscles are growing daily although I am holding a lot of water but it's not that bad, my joint pains are gone and my energy is back full time. I'm still not sleeping great at nights but then after 3 years of insomnia I wouldn't expect that to change quickly. I'm only on 2ius a day, no AAS and am only 4 weeks in of a 6/12 month cycle. I must add that I am training harder and eating cleaner than I ever remember and have had a lot of good advice and take sups like Gloucerel R and T-Rex as well as a varied range of others. Hope this will help someone else going through the same process.
Cheers
Ed

Great stuff ED. Keep posted!!!

JD

 

[nsashbl01]

Thanks guys.
Well the update is a healthier picture... for anyone interested...
I changed my shot til afternoon, 2 hours before my workouts, reconstituted it with 2mls of Bacs water instead of 1 and changed to 5/2.
My BF has dropped off (I reckon down 8/10%), I have gone from 207lbs to 224lbs in 4 weeks, my muscles are growing daily although I am holding a lot of water but it's not that bad, my joint pains are gone and my energy is back full time. I'm still not sleeping great at nights but then after 3 years of insomnia I wouldn't expect that to change quickly. I'm only on 2ius a day, no AAS and am only 4 weeks in of a 6/12 month cycle. I must add that I am training harder and eating cleaner than I ever remember and have had a lot of good advice and take sups like Gloucerel R and T-Rex as well as a varied range of others. Hope this will help someone else going through the same process.
Cheers
Ed

Good to hear Ed. I went back to 7 days on with only 2ius for the Summer. For some reson, I'm still tired after work. Switching to 5/2 kind of threw me off. I'm sticking to 7 on for now on. I'm also taking a bit of var now which can add to my fatigue. Good work on the progress. If your using supps from AF, try their Cardio Breeze. I like Trex, but I like the workout buz more with cardio breeze. (so does my gf) Use the Glucorell with all your carbs while on the GH. I have experimented with and without, and my blood sugar is lower with it. If your blood suger is low before bed, try like 1iu. I helps the sleep for me. I only do it once in a while and my doc said it's ok. I seem to be more well rested with the same amount of sleep. Good luck....

 

[ed2005]

Good to hear Ed. I went back to 7 days on with only 2ius for the Summer. For some reson, I'm still tired after work. Switching to 5/2 kind of threw me off. I'm sticking to 7 on for now on. I'm also taking a bit of var now which can add to my fatigue. Good work on the progress. If your using supps from AF, try their Cardio Breeze. I like Trex, but I like the workout buz more with cardio breeze. (so does my gf) Use the Glucorell with all your carbs while on the GH. I have experimented with and without, and my blood sugar is lower with it. If your blood suger is low before bed, try like 1iu. I helps the sleep for me. I only do it once in a while and my doc said it's ok. I seem to be more well rested with the same amount of sleep. Good luck....

Thanks nsash, if you take 1iu before bed occasionally is it an extra iu or do you split your daily dose in 2?

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to nsashbl01 again.

 

[nsashbl01]

Thanks nsash, if you take 1iu before bed occasionally is it an extra iu or do you split your daily dose in 2?

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to nsashbl01 again.

Really have done it both ways. A little flutuation won't change much. I first did it on vacation when I wasn't sleeping enough and I noticed a huge difference. Then I asked my doc and he said I'll be ok if I only do small amounts before bed. So it's a rare event for me, but it does help me sleep. I usually don't go to bed without eating, so my blood sugar is to high to take it. I have to plan ahead!

 

[ed2005]

Really have done it both ways. A little flutuation won't change much. I first did it on vacation when I wasn't sleeping enough and I noticed a huge difference. Then I asked my doc and he said I'll be ok if I only do small amounts before bed. So it's a rare event for me, but it does help me sleep. I usually don't go to bed without eating, so my blood sugar is to high to take it. I have to plan ahead!

Yeh, the not eating b4 bed would be the killer for me. I've just increased to 3ius (by mistake, long story) so I might try a 2 day/1 early evening split if sleeping dosen't improve. I never sleep on vacation either not even when the wine has been flowing...

 

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[ed2005]

Really have done it both ways. A little flutuation won't change much. I first did it on vacation when I wasn't sleeping enough and I noticed a huge difference. Then I asked my doc and he said I'll be ok if I only do small amounts before bed. So it's a rare event for me, but it does help me sleep. I usually don't go to bed without eating, so my blood sugar is to high to take it. I have to plan ahead!

Update Nsash.... Yesterday I took 2.5ius in the morning and then 0.5 ius before my bedtime protein meal. Went to bed an hour later and slept for 6 hours straight! This may not sound like a big deal but I don't think I've slept for more than 2 straight hours in the last 3 years..So I'll do the same again today and tonight to check it's not a fluke and with me doing 5/2 I don't think it should effect my own natty production, that's even if I have any at all...

Thanks Oasis, I wish I could use your services but I'm not in your country, you guys are very lucky over there with hrt etc, the doc's here don't touch it..

 

[bigpat]

ok if i only taking 2 ui per day, and i have some trouble to sleep at night, can i split 1ui mid afternoon (i sleep for 2 hours) and 1ui before the 9pm meal (i go sleeping at 10h30pm)
because it take 1 hour to fall in sleep and after 3 -4 hours i can not sleep ...
im wake-up my ass at 5h30am thats why i sleep in the afternoon

so split or not ?

 

[ed2005]

ok if i only taking 2 ui per day, and i have some trouble to sleep at night, can i split 1ui mid afternoon (i sleep for 2 hours) and 1ui before the 9pm meal (i go sleeping at 10h30pm)
because it take 1 hour to fall in sleep and after 3 -4 hours i can not sleep ...
im wake-up my ass at 5h30am thats why i sleep in the afternoon

so split or not ?

What age are you Bigpat? My sleep problems come from work stress and older age, 45. The problem you have sounds like mine, you can get to sleep but when you sleep instead of the body coming from deep sleep to REM sleep and back to deep again throughout the night, the body actually comes through the REM phase and into the waking phase. This becomes a habbit and then your in a routine that's not good. If you're over 40 I can't see that the night time dose will do you any harm but if not I would avoid it. Maybe try 1.5 in the morn and .5 at night but most GH users say that their sleep improves when they're on it after 2/3 months so keep that in mind before you make any knee jerk decisions.
Cheers
Ed

 

[nsashbl01]

Guys, my sleep got better just taking it in the AM. Night is more of a hit, but AM does help. For the first time in many years, I actually remember having vivid dreams!

 

[ed2005]

Guys, my sleep got better just taking it in the AM. Night is more of a hit, but AM does help. For the first time in many years, I actually remember having vivid dreams!

I'm still taking my 2.5ius in the morning and the .5iu before bed nsash and although I haven't replicated the 6 straight hours since your first recomendation I am still getting some quality Zs in there for 4 hours, which is still nothing short of amazing...
Thanks again for that tip..
Hope all is good with you bro..
Repect
Ed

 

[tomblina]

You may want to look into a drug called Provigil. I take it because I work shift work and it has done wonders for my tiredness.

 

[ed2005]

You may want to look into a drug called Provigil. I take it because I work shift work and it has done wonders for my tiredness.

Thanks Tomblina, does it help you sleep or just prevent tiredness?...k

 

[tomblina]

It is hard to explain it.. It keeps you alert and does not interfere with normal sleep cycles. I take it because I work shift work and it has done wonders for me. It is very expensive, but my insurance pays for it. I think I pay about $60.00 when normally it would be about $300.00.... Here is an excerpt of an article about it. Good luck!!!!

"...modafinil ('Provigil', 'Aletec', 'Vigicer', 'Modalert', etc) is a memory-improving and mood-brightening psychostimulant. It enhances wakefulness and vigilance, but its pharmacological profile is notably different from the amphetamines, methylphenidate (Ritalin) or cocaine. Modafinil is less likely to cause jitteriness, anxiety, or excess locomotor activity - or lead to a hypersomnolent 'rebound effect' - than traditional stimulants. Subjectively, it feels smoother and cleaner than the amphetamines too. The normal elimination half-life of modafinil in humans is between 12 - 15 hours. So it's worth fine-tuning one's dosage schedule accordingly.

Current research suggests modafinil, like its older and better-tested analogue adrafinil, is a safe, effective and well-tolerated agent. It is long-acting and doesn't tend to cause peripheral sympathetic stimulation. Yet its CNS action isn't fully understood. Modafinil induces wakefulness in part by its action in the anterior hypothalamus. Its dopamine-releasing action in the nucleus accumbens is weak and dose-dependent; the likelihood of a euphoric response ('abuse potential'), dose-escalation and tolerance is thus apparently small. Modafinil has central alpha 1-adrenergic agonist effects i.e. it directly stimulates the receptors. Modafinil inhibits the reuptake of noradrenaline by the noradrenergic terminals on sleep-promoting neurons of ventrolateral preoptic nucleus (VLPO). More significant, perhaps, is its ability to increase excitatory glutamatergic transmission. This reduces local GABAergic transmission, thereby diminishing GABA(A) receptor signalling on the mesolimbic dopamine terminals.

Modafinil is proving clinically useful in the treatment of narcolepsy, a neurological disorder marked by uncontrollable attacks of daytime sleepiness. Narcolepsy is caused by dysfunction of a family of wakefulness-promoting and sleep-suppressing peptides, the orexins. Orexin neurons are activated by modafinil. Orexinergic neurons are found exclusively in the lateral hypothalamic area, but their fibers project to the entire central nervous system. Genetically modified orexin-knockout animals offer a model of human narcolepsy. Selective orexin receptor agonists of the future may prove useful both to narcoleptics and the population at large.

Experimentally, modafinil is also used in the treatment of Alzheimer's disease, depression, attention-deficit disorder, myotonic dystrophy, multiple sclerosis-induced fatigue, post-anaesthesia grogginess, cognitive impairment in schizophrenia, spasticity associated with cerebral palsy, age-related memory decline, idiopathic hypersomnia, jet-lag, and everyday cat-napping. Depressives who feel sleepy and fatigued on SSRIs can augment their regimen with modafinil. In September 2003, an advisory panel to the FDA endorsed its use for treating shift work sleep disorder and obstructive sleep apnea.

The US military are interested in modafinil too.

Modafanil is marketed as 'Alertec" in Canada - and over the Net. 'Alertec' is less expensive than 'Provigil'. Cheap generic modafinil should be available from 2006. But Cephalon is vigorously litigating to defend its patents.

In March 2005, Cephalon filed a New Drug Application (NDA) with the FDA for "Nuvigil" (r-modafinil, armodafinil) - a single isomer formulation of modafinil. Nuvigil will be marketed aggressively to offset the loss of revenue from Provigil.

Modafinil is increasingly used as a 'lifestyle drug' - a lucrative 'off-label' market its makers have not been unduly keen to discourage. Some prescribing physicians have reportedly been surprised at a previously hidden epidemic of narcolepsy among hard-working young professionals attending their surgeries.

Prudence, however, should be exercised in drastically curtailing one's sleep. Prolonged sleeplessness weakens immune function. Animals tortured in sleep-deprivation experiments eventually die from massive bacterial infections of the blood..."

 

[ed2005]

Sounds just the ticket.......
I would have to buy as we don't have insurance over here, everything is nearly free... but on occasions like this it's a disadvantage.

Thanks and K
Ed

 

[tomblina]

Let me know how it works for you when you get it..


Thanks,
Ray