This One's For You!!

[bigsonrising]

This One's For You!! VETS AND NOOBS

There are MANY helpful people on this board, and I appreciate all the advice that you give out, and it's a given that noobs get flamed EVERYWHERE, BUT....

ive noticed a trend here, it seems that some of the so-called vets around here seem to think that they can deem who's worthy or not of juicing....I must say that this is absurd..

Now, for one, I'll begin by saying that Bodybuilding and/or weightlifting is a HOBBY for me, NOT a lifestyle, and to be quite frank I'm not willing to make the sacrifices in my lifestyle for it to be such....Does that make me unworthy to use steroids?? Guess what? I will anyway, and am as we speak...Does the fact that last year my diet, training, and sleeping habits were horrible, and I drank almost every night make me unworthy? Guess what, still gonna do it...

I gained 17 pounds natural in 4 months last year, then did a fairly mild cycle and gained another 12 pounds in 4 WEEKS, now, having done that with NO CHANGE in diet, (I eat EVERYTHING in site, and miss meals every now and again), training (I DO train intensely, but often cheat and could improve my form), sleep (I dont think I ever slept more than 5 hours a night, except the occasional weekend), and alcohol consumption (I drank more last year then ever, ALMOST every single night) why would I NOT use AAS, cause I'm cheating myself, that's shit...I'm totally aware of the fact that if I was more dedicated and disciplined that my results could have been phenominal, but guess what....

I'm okay with that, and that's my point, you should be too, once again this (BBING) is a HOBBY for me, NOT a lifestyle, I dont plan to compete, and no offense to any of you freaks out there, cause there is a certain appeal to it, but I am not tryin for that look....I lift mainly for pussy, intimedation is another benefit that I enjoy, but hell, I tote a .45, I think I got that covered...

In other words, not everyone has the same goals in life, or weightlifting, some lift for strength, some endurance, some mass, some (ME) pussy, lol...and although I can understand your words of caution and see that yeah, SOME foundation is a good thing, blah, blah, it's untimately up to the individual to deem the risk VS. benefit, so who are we to say that he should WAIT, or STOP using, just continue with the best advice or shut the fuck up......

Now, before EVERYONE trashes the shit outta me there are obvious exceptions to this statement, and as I stated above, I am in NO WAY trying to disrespect any vets out there who ARE helpful, cause there are plenty, just had to get that shit off my chest.....PEACE

 

[liftsiron]

Eat, drink, play with your forty five, if someone gives a fuck, it sure ain't me.

 

[Train Harder]

What about your liver with drinking while on cycle?

 

[bigsonrising]

lifts, thank you, planned on it

train harder, that where the risk VS benefit came in, I hardly think that I'm the first person to do such a thing and I'm pretty sure that I won't be the last..I did research and made and educated, or not, depending on your views, decision based on what I've read and seen, and decided that it prob wouldn't kill me

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hey, you can wash down a bottle of d-bol with a quart of vodka for all I care. That's not the point. The vets here are here to give the best advise on bodybuilding and steroids are a part of that. If you're just in it for kicks, why even come on the board?

What is disrespectful to the vets is when someone comes on with no respect for the gear, does whatever he wants, then comes back 4 months later with problems and asks for help. So yeah, if it means taking up a vets time, consideration and expetise, I'd say you aren't worthy.

 

[Juice Authority]

I'll say the same thing I said over FG about this topic...

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13358&perpage=35&pagenumber=1

One good night out partying can kill a week's worth of gains. You're already putting a hell of a lot of stress on your liver and organs when you're on a cycle. Why complicate things with alcohol? Alcohol dehydrates the body and TEARS DOWN MUSCLE TISSUE - FACT. What would be the point?? I don't drink at all whether I'm on or off a cycle but that's a personal choice. I just don't see what the point of drinking is when you're on a cycle. It seems self-defeating and contradictory.

As for you comment about the "know-it-all" vets, maybe some of them had a point when they were suggesting that some college kid who's chasing pussy and getting drunk everynight NOT use AAS.

 

[DaddyX]

Re: This One's For You!! VETS AND NOOBS

I'm totally aware of it's untimately up to the individual to deem the risk VS. benefit, so who are we to say that he should WAIT, or STOP using, just continue with the best advice or shut the fuck up......

PEACE

i think the best advice someone could give YOU is to not take steroids as this point in your life. really there are obviously things more important to you such as drinking. noone really gives a shit about you, but it's just advice. whats the point of this nonsence post anyway ? so your telling me when a 16 year old comes on here and says "hey guys im starting my dboop only cycle soon, 50mg ed for 8 weeks, what gains should i expect" ? do you think the best advice is to truly tell him a good first cycle with the little knowledge he obviously has or the age he is at. i think the best advice would be telling him to wait. same with your case.

 

[bigsonrising]

Of course I could expect a reply of that nature from you....was that one free of charge?

 

[DaddyX]

All I was sayin was that I made gains regardless of my lifestyle on and off, I wasnt saying that I was right....But I guess since I'm not willing to sacrifice the same things as some of you I shouldn't bother to further educate myself OR use?

good gains doesnt mean good health. and no, you need some more education, trust me

 

[bigsonrising]

All I was sayin was that I made gains regardless of my lifestyle on and off, I wasnt saying that I was right....But I guess since I'm not willing to sacrifice the same things as some of you I shouldn't bother to further educate myself OR use?

 

[bigsonrising]

that wasnt aimed at you juice

 

[bigsonrising]

Re: Re: This One's For You!! VETS AND NOOBS

so your telling me when a 16 year old comes on here and says "hey guys im starting my dboop only cycle soon, 50mg ed for 8 weeks, what gains should i expect" ? do you think the best advice is to truly tell him a good first cycle with the little knowledge he obviously has or the age he is at. i think the best advice would be telling him to wait. same with your case.

AS I SAID there are obvious exceptions to this statement

 

[bigsonrising]

I'm totally aware of it's untimately up to the individual to deem the risk VS. benefit, so who are we to say that he should WAIT, or STOP using, just continue with the best advice or shut the fuck up......

I suppose I could've worded this better, I guess that I could use the analogy that if you have a 14 YO son or daughter you most likely don't want them to have sex, but rather than say "Don't have sex!" how bout followin it up with "but if you decide to....", cause more than likely they will.....

and for the record, whether it matters or not I have only been drunk 5 times in the last 7 mos..mind you not by choice, I'm in the desert fightin for the great 'ol USA...but I was referrin to LAST year...

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

You do raise a good point... but at the same time... I don't often find vets that tell you 'no' then don't follow up with something constructive... in defence of the vets etc... they do take this seriously, and it is a passion for them... they prolly just take it personally, and may at times be a little over sensative when it comes to people not taking there chosen lifestyle as serious as they do...

Don't take it personal, and try not to let that bother you... just take the great advice that they are giving us, and do your thing...

S.

 

[Mike C.P.T.]

To each his own. I too know my shit and what needs to be done but do I always do it 100% year round? Hell fuckin no! I applaud those that do good for you. Myself, well I like to go out and drink once a week on the weekends, I also like to have a cigarrette as well here and there when I drink, BUT, I also am not a recreational drug user when it comes to coke, e, k, and all that other shit. As well when I juice I never go high doses like some people in here. Again everyone is different.

 

[bigsonrising]

That's all I was tryin to say fellas, I guess I forgot to mention my 2 pack a day habit, oops...lol

 

[theoak01]

Hey, you can wash down a bottle of d-bol with a quart of vodka for all I care. That's not the point. The vets here are here to give the best advise on bodybuilding and steroids are a part of that. If you're just in it for kicks, why even come on the board?

What is disrespectful to the vets is when someone comes on with no respect for the gear, does whatever he wants, then comes back 4 months later with problems and asks for help. So yeah, if it means taking up a vets time, consideration and expetise, I'd say you aren't worthy.

couldnt agree more Nelson,people do have a difference of opinions but he is obviously stirring shit on purpose.


and BigsonRising weightlifting is your hobby as bodybuilding cant be a hobby its a lifestyle.

 

[bigsonrising]

ok, ive said it numerous times, but I see that this struck a chord with a few of you, so, I'll just humbly apologize to all those whom I've offended, because I'm the only person that thinks the way I do, well, me and my workout/drinkin buddy....

I was stirring shit based on how some of the vets were comin off on some of the people here and decided to voice my opinion which I've now decided was useless...

And I will go a step further and apologize for implyin that I was in any way shape or form a bodybuilder....

 

[variation]

I think sometimes people tend to be harsh because it would be bad to see someone hurt themselves, this is a fitness board so you must understand that a lot of the people here probably take health into a great deal of, consideration...

When you are around people that feel health is important you will not get positive replies if you say that you drink everynight and are sleep deprived..

Now I think many really are concerned for some of these peoples well being, and others.. well perhaps it's just a power trip to be able to tell a newb off....

whatever..

 

[Mavy]

Bro I can relate to you drinking every night and chasing the bitches around. When I went to University it was hard for me to not do that. I still love tearing it up every now and again, but it happens way less now. When I am on vacation I seem to fall back into that zone it seems.

But as you get a little older you soon realize that you feel like shit after doing that for so long and it gets old. If you dont think that your workouts are suffering ... just think of how much more intense they could be by going in fresh with lots of sleep and not being hungover. The point is that you are poisoning your body, and wasting your muscles.

I am not saying to turn straightedge ... but you have to learn moderation. For me my workouts come first. A night of boozing feels like I am poisoning myself. It also makes me eat crap if I am out, and it also writes me off for the whole next day, sometimes making me miss a workout. This is not what I am looking for. You just have to get your priorities straight. I

t is just frustrating for the mods and others to here this and offer you advice ... in situations like that our thinking is ... OK ... you are an idiot .... and your gonna do what you want anyways .... so here is some helpfull advice (if you can call it that).

Mavy

 

[Tomo]

I drink and juice--it's great -tomo

 

[rodneyabs]

steroids+poor diet+5 hours sleep a night+alcohol = heart attack at 35.

if your gains you posted above are real, just think what they could be if you cleaned up your diet, slept 8 hrs a night, and cut the partying down to 2 bar nights only per month?

Being healthy is the core of it all. This doesn't sound healthy.

I'm not one to judge, but if you want to be in this for the long haul, i'd cut down on the partying and junk food.

 

[bigsonrising]

variation, mavy, and rodney, i understand what you're saying...and I think that the whole point of this got lost somewhere in the translation..I have nothing but the utmost respect for guys who can lead the right lifestyle, not that I envy them, cause I have a good time, that's why I ask them for advice when needed, but just like I didnt listen to my mother when she tod me not to do something, and just like ALL OF US that didnt listen to those that told us not to use I dont always take every bit of advice given....

having said that, Some, not all of those factors are out of my control..The army lifestyle is NOT very condusive to weightlifting...There really is NO WAY that I could have gotten the required amount of sleep unless I decided to not have a life AT ALL, or eat very clean, and I still had to get up at 5 AM 5 days a week and run 10-25 miles a week, which, BTW, I absolutely HATE!

The drinking..that's my alternative to prozac, and I'm sure that's not a good excuse, but whatever right....My wife left me Feb last year, and that's how I deal, anyway, thats more than any of you needed to know

and yes, the gains are real, i have pics and numerous people that can testify to them....but I believe that it was stated earlier that nobody gives a shit