The Vick Case

[Lestat]

Once again I am shocked by not only our country, but the people of EF.

Do you people here really think Vick did something so heinous he needs to spend time in Prison?

How many of you are hunters? How many of you eat beef? How many of you setup mouse traps?

What Vick did is WRONG. I am NOT an advocate for the legalization of dog fighting. I support laws that enforce the human treatment of animals.

BUT, I am sick of the double standard. Vick is being made an example of.

He should have his breeder license revoked. He should NEVER be allowed to sell dogs. He shouldn't be able to own more than 2 or so dogs at a time.

But to serve HARD time for his crime? Who exactly are the victims?

I've been hunting before, and luckily I've never killed while on a hunt myself, but I went on 2 hunts and learned quickly that it was NOT my thing.

HOWEVER, it is perfectly legal! You can shoot a deer, wounding it, having it limp through a forest in pain, and die over the course of a few days, but that is legal!

You can go get a job at a slaughter house, where you run a bolt into a cow's brain all day long and get PAID for it.

Jewish people can cut the foreskin from a living 8 day old baby with NO pain medication, and that is legal, protected, and CELEBRATED.

But Vick can't kill his own animals, on his OWN property, without going to prison?

No one else sees any problem with this? I kill animals near daily. Yesterday I sprayed some flies with insecticide and watched them fly disorented and twitch until they died. I also used my foot to smash a living spider until it died. Will I be thrown in prison for that one day as well just because a bunch of people think its mean and inhumane?

Seriously. Vick is a fool for being involved in this at all and should have some penalty, but if an attempted child molester can get probation, why can't Vick?

 

[Faizakafez]

just and fyi

he didnt kill his animals.. he abused them drowned them and what not.. obviously made them suffer before he "killed" them

 

[PICK3]

olololol @ Lestat's attempt to stir the pot.

 

[Cal_21]

olololol @ Lestat's attempt to stir the pot.

I'll stir your pot....

 

[Lestat]

just and fyi

he didnt kill his animals.. he abused them drowned them and what not.. obviously made them suffer before he "killed" them

hanging is acceptable for humans, why not for animals?

same with eletrocution.

Drowning isn't so human, but doesn't exactly promote suffering, how long does it take to become unconscious? a minute?

 

[Lestat]

olololol @ Lestat's attempt to stir the pot.

its how I feel, I think this case is complete and utter bullshit. the punishment does NOT fit the crime.

 

[PICK3]

Also, lol! @ the analogy between killing flies and electrocuting dogs.

 

[jh1]

There is a difference between hunting, it's a natual thing for carnivores and it's how we survive. Not much different than breathing, although there is a necessary cost.

Pitting two helpless animals against each other in a death match is purley for entertainment is something completely different.

To compare the two activities and to act as if there is no difference is beyond offensive.

 

[patsfan1379]

Official Devil's Advocate posts again.

 

[Dial_tone]

I absolutely believe animal cruelty calls for hard time. Hunting, which I'm not crazy about either, is done for animal population control and at least the meat is eaten. Making dogs fight to the death for pleasure is something entirely different.

 

[PICK3]

its how I feel, I think this case is complete and utter bullshit. the punishment does NOT fit the crime.

Removing the legal content ... don't you think something has to be psychologically wrong with an individual who enjoys inflicting torture on a animal?

 

[Lestat]

There is a difference between hunting, it's a natual thing for carnivores and it's how we survive. Not much different than breathing, although there is a necessary cost.

Pitting two helpless animals against each other in a death match is purley for entertainment is something completely different.

To compare the two activities and to act as if there is no difference is beyond offensive.

you are using another animal's life for your sport, plain and simple. you can argue yourself in circles all you want, but the facts are the facts.

He OWNED these dogs. He did this on his private property.

Had it been any sort of livestock without "dog feelings" he would have been ok. Imagine he raised game birds, as my grandfather did, he routinely would walk to the pen, grab one, and RING ITS NECK until dead.

But Vick needs to do PRISON time for being mean to dogs. THAT is offensive.

 

[Faizakafez]

There is a difference between hunting, it's a natual thing for carnivores and it's how we survive. Not much different than breathing, although there is a necessary cost.

Pitting two helpless animals against each other in a death match is purley for entertainment is something completely different.

To compare the two activities and to act as if there is no difference is beyond offensive.

yup good post, also have you ever looked into dog fighting?

some of the training methods are obviously abuse..

strapping cement blocks to their back, starvation, feeding them gun powder

 

[Lestat]

Removing the legal content ... don't you think something has to be psychologically wrong with an individual who enjoys inflicting torture on a animal?

yes, i do. I don't think being mentally fucked up mean you go to prison though.

But yes, I think that whenever I hear someone talking about a hunting trip, I think there has to be something wrong with you if you enjoy killing defenseless animals for sport.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i agree with you 100% lestat, and iv tried talking to my mom and dad about it and they looked at me like i was sick and they were ashamed to have a son with that opinion.

lol at all the fucking faggot whiney vegan bitches

 

[Cal_21]

i agree with you 100% lestat, and iv tried talking to my mom and dad about it and they looked at me like i was sick and they were ashamed to have a son with that opinion.

lol at all the fucking faggot whiney vegan bitches

http://www.vegetarianteen.com/interviews/robertcheeke.shtml

 

[Lestat]

I absolutely believe animal cruelty calls for hard time. Hunting, which I'm not crazy about either, is done for animal population control and at least the meat is eaten. Making dogs fight to the death for pleasure is something entirely different.

I've been on hunting trips, and the meat was never eaten.

I've seen animals wounded, but never recovered (so that means they were off living somewhere with a bullet wound).

Hunting seasons are regulated to prohibit animal extinction. Without hunting, most animal populations would not get too large, there are some select exceptions. Many animals are hunted to near extinction though worldwide.

 

[PICK3]

they looked at me like i was sick and they were ashamed to have a son with that opinion.

Ummmmh ... they were ashamed before the Vick case borly.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Ummmmh ... they were ashamed before the Vick case borly.

agreed

 

[Lestat]

i agree with you 100% lestat, and iv tried talking to my mom and dad about it and they looked at me like i was sick and they were ashamed to have a son with that opinion.

lol at all the fucking faggot whiney vegan bitches

thanks man.

People are getting too damn emotional about this.

I suggest anyone who thinks that Vick should go to prison, spend a day at a cattle slaughterhouse.

Should everyone who is involved in that, essentially anyone who eats meat, be put in prison?

They don't kill cattled based on what is most human, they kill them based on what is most cost effective and effecient. Many cattled are skinned while their heart is still beating.

 

[jh1]

you are using another animal's life for your sport, plain and simple. you can argue yourself in circles all you want, but the facts are the facts.

He OWNED these dogs. He did this on his private property.

Had it been any sort of livestock without "dog feelings" he would have been ok. Imagine he raised game birds, as my grandfather did, he routinely would walk to the pen, grab one, and RING ITS NECK until dead.

But Vick needs to do PRISON time for being mean to dogs. THAT is offensive.

Bullshit. Cockfighting is also equally as illegal.

Again, hunting and raising animals for slaughter is not comparable to using animals to fight each other for betting and entertainment!

As far as his prison time and wether it fits the crime, who the fuck cares... the consequences of the crime are not hidden they are well known. He knew it was a crime... chock the fuck up and be man. He's a bitch. I hope the prison guards pit him up in fights against other inmates for their entertainment.

I suppose you think that's cool too?

 

[Lestat]

Bullshit. Cockfighting is also equally as illegal.

Again, hunting and raising animals for slaughter is not comparable to using animals to fight each other for betting and entertainment!

As far as his prison time and wether it fits the crime, who the fuck cares... the consequences of the crime are not hidden they are well known. He knew it was a crime... chock the fuck up and be man. He's a bitch. I hope the prison guards pit him up in fights against other inmates for their entertainment.

I suppose you think that's cool too?

I was at the Del Mar race track on Thursday.

In the 4th race, a horse threw its rider, broke a leg.

It was killed on the spot.

That animal was raised, and killed, in the process of being used solely for betting and entertainment.

And of course I care if the punishment fits the crime. Would you like to do prison time for a speeding ticket? Afterall, you are putting OTHER people's lives at risk when you drive your car at excessive speeds.

 

[jh1]

i agree with you 100% lestat, and iv tried talking to my mom and dad about it and they looked at me like i was sick and they were ashamed to have a son with that opinion.

lol at all the fucking faggot whiney vegan bitches

How can you equate caring for life and aboring unecessary suffering to being a vegan?

WTF?

 

[Lestat]

I just wished people would stop thinking emotionally about this. Vick is losing a LOT because of some poor choices and mistakes on his part. If any of you was in the same position I'd defend you as well.

 

[jnevin]

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that's a fucking accomplishment.

Make a thread about getting rid of equal opportunity and Lestal will scream racist and say you should go to prison for it.

 

[jh1]

I was at the Del Mar race track on Thursday.

In the 4th race, a horse threw its rider, broke a leg.

It was killed on the spot.

That animal was raised, and killed, in the process of being used solely for betting and entertainment.

And of course I care if the punishment fits the crime. Would you like to do prison time for a speeding ticket? Afterall, you are putting OTHER people's lives at risk when you drive your car at excessive speeds.

The horse was killed because because it was the most humane thing to do under the circumstances. Racing animals isn't the same thing as fighting animals...


If I had to guess you are taking a Devils Advocate position on this for debate / TOTW motivations. These arguments are way to over the top.

You ever see dogs fighting? Don't they make you sick to your stomach?

 

[Sub-Zero]

thanks man.

People are getting too damn emotional about this.

I suggest anyone who thinks that Vick should go to prison, spend a day at a cattle slaughterhouse.

Should everyone who is involved in that, essentially anyone who eats meat, be put in prison?

They don't kill cattled based on what is most human, they kill them based on what is most cost effective and effecient. Many cattled are skinned while their heart is still beating.

i say never let him own any animal again, and give him mandatory counseling and therapy sessions. and MAYBE fine 500,000 to a mil and make him donate it to a dog shelter or some shit.

not letting him play football (basically taking away his source of income which i thought was illegal anyway) or giving him time is bullshit.

also the people who say they dont care about people getting murdered cause people suck, but when an innocent animal gets hurt then its fucked up, are idiots, there i said it, morons.

 

[Cal_21]

Vick should have eaten those dogs.

 

[jh1]

Also... people's real life family pets are often stolen from them and used in training fights and the such and then once too injured to continue in that capacity are released. Sometimes these animals make it back home all maimed and tore up and have to be put to sleep.

There's a real cost to real people as well... that have nothing to do with this bullshit...

 

[Sub-Zero]

Bullshit. Cockfighting is also equally as illegal.

Again, hunting and raising animals for slaughter is not comparable to using animals to fight each other for betting and entertainment!

As far as his prison time and wether it fits the crime, who the fuck cares... the consequences of the crime are not hidden they are well known. He knew it was a crime... chock the fuck up and be man. He's a bitch. I hope the prison guards pit him up in fights against other inmates for their entertainment.

I suppose you think that's cool too?

its killing and mutilating them against their will no matter how you look at it. hes a fucked up person for torturing and fucking up all those animals, but hes not a danger to society...he needs therapy and shouldnt be allowed near animals, and maybe lose some money as a punishment to him...anything more punsihment than that, in my opnion would be a greater crime than he commited.

we cut up animals and sink our teeth into them and eat their flesh and pieces. people volenteer to fight eachother in sports sanctioned events. HUMAN fighting is legal. yeah yeah the dogs cant choose to fight, so its wrong, but with that mentality its equally as wrong to kill cows and eat them against their will

 

[Lestat]

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that's a fucking accomplishment.

Make a thread about getting rid of equal opportunity and Lestal will scream racist and say you should go to prison for it.

I honestly do not see why you would say this. Its things like the Vick case that really make me worry and wonder about us as a society.

We can fuck up animals all we want in certain context, and its cool.

Also, you can do all sorts of other illegal shit, and get a slap on the wrist (probation)

but since this is heated and emotional, some guy has to do hard time and lose out on millions of income?

He made a stupid choice, he should pay for it, but not be ruined over it. We all make stupid fucking decisions.

 

[jh1]

i say never let him own any animal again, and give him mandatory counseling and therapy sessions. and MAYBE fine 500,000 to a mil and make him donate it to a dog shelter or some shit.

not letting him play football (basically taking away his source of income which i thought was illegal anyway) or giving him time is bullshit.

also the people who say they dont care about people getting murdered cause people suck, but when an innocent animal gets hurt then its fucked up, are idiots, there i said it, morons.

He can play football all he wants, the goverment isn't going to stop him.

The problem is... everyone fucking hates him because of the peice of fucking shit he is and no NFL team would bring him on as player again.

Free Market.

Got to love it.

Hope he fucking rots in hell.

 

[Faizakafez]

the thing is dogs and cats are domestic animals that you keep as 'pets' people who own them love them like their own..

so its like putting their kids to fight each other

If a cow was your pet you wouldn't kill it!

 

[Sub-Zero]

Also... people's real life family pets are often stolen from them and used in training fights and the such and then once too injured to continue in that capacity are released. Sometimes these animals make it back home all maimed and tore up and have to be put to sleep.

There's a real cost to real people as well... that have nothing to do with this bullshit...

theft is a completely different issue.

 

[Lestat]

Also... people's real life family pets are often stolen from them and used in training fights and the such and then once too injured to continue in that capacity are released. Sometimes these animals make it back home all maimed and tore up and have to be put to sleep.

There's a real cost to real people as well... that have nothing to do with this bullshit...

that is some FUCKED up shit I agree. stealing someone's pet to use in that manner is inexcusable.

but, vick hasn't been accused of that.

BUT that is one of the many reasons why the sport should be ILLEGAL and punished.

But as I said, my point is, he should not go to prison over this, NO ONE should for their first dog fighting offense, I don't care if they were the grandmaster of dog fighting. Fine the shit out of then, probation forever, never own a dog, something, but prison? Lets keep it real.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Hope he fucking rots in hell.

+1


You hit on all the other points I was going to about hunting etc so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[calveless wonder]

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that's a fucking accomplishment.

Make a thread about getting rid of equal opportunity and Lestal will scream racist and say you should go to prison for it.

lolol...took the words out of my mouth bro.

 

[puddlemonkey]

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that's a fucking accomplishment.

+2

 

[jh1]

its killing and mutilating them against their will no matter how you look at it. hes a fucked up person for torturing and fucking up all those animals, but hes not a danger to society...he needs therapy and shouldnt be allowed near animals, and maybe lose some money as a punishment to him...anything more punsihment than that, in my opnion would be a greater crime than he commited.

we cut up animals and sink our teeth into them and eat their flesh and pieces. people volenteer to fight eachother in sports sanctioned events. HUMAN fighting is legal. yeah yeah the dogs cant choose to fight, so its wrong, but with that mentality its equally as wrong to kill cows and eat them against their will

Killing animals for survival is not the same thing as pitting them against each other in torturous cruel fights!

Being a carnivore is a natual thing, humans have hunted for as long as they have been around.... so do lions, so do dogs.... that is NOT any more a crime than breathing.

Torture, Cruelty... those are crimes. The society you live in says so. Fucking live with it, like it or not - do it and you go to jail, those are the rules and he knew it.

 

[patsfan1379]

This statement makes me think Lestat is a douche who reads too much and regurgitates those second-hand original thoughts as his own "philosophy."

What article/paper/Tool lyric/free thinking online e-zine, made you have this gem-of-a-thought?

 

[Lestat]

Killing animals for survival is not the same thing as pitting them against each other in torturous cruel fights!

Being a carnivore is a natual thing, humans have hunted for as long as they have been around.... so do lions, so do dogs.... that is NOT any more a crime than breathing.

Torture, Cruelty... those are crimes. The society you live in says so. Fucking live with it, like it or not - do it and you go to jail, those are the rules and he knew it.

who do you know that kills animals for survival???

 

[Lestat]

This statement makes me think Lestat is a douche who reads too much and regurgitates those second-hand original thoughts as his own "philosophy."

What article/paper/Tool lyric/free thinking online e-zine, made you have this gem-of-a-thought?

you really think people should go to prison for killing dogs?

 

[jh1]

that is some FUCKED up shit I agree. stealing someone's pet to use in that manner is inexcusable.

but, vick hasn't been accused of that.

BUT that is one of the many reasons why the sport should be ILLEGAL and punished.

But as I said, my point is, he should not go to prison over this, NO ONE should for their first dog fighting offense, I don't care if they were the grandmaster of dog fighting. Fine the shit out of then, probation forever, never own a dog, something, but prison? Lets keep it real.

Of course he isn't accused of it, I doubt they've ever caught and charged someone with something like that. But it is a by product of the illegal dog fighting he is involved in - which is one of the reasons it is illegal to begin with.

 

[Lestat]

Please keep this all in perspective people.

Just like I think no one should be arrested for the possesion of steroids, I don't think anyone should go to prison for killing dogs, no matter how brutal.

 

[rudeboyja]

Once again I am shocked by not only our country, but the people of EF.

Do you people here really think Vick did something so heinous he needs to spend time in Prison?

How many of you are hunters? How many of you eat beef? How many of you setup mouse traps?

What Vick did is WRONG. I am NOT an advocate for the legalization of dog fighting. I support laws that enforce the human treatment of animals.

BUT, I am sick of the double standard. Vick is being made an example of.

He should have his breeder license revoked. He should NEVER be allowed to sell dogs. He shouldn't be able to own more than 2 or so dogs at a time.

But to serve HARD time for his crime? Who exactly are the victims?

I've been hunting before, and luckily I've never killed while on a hunt myself, but I went on 2 hunts and learned quickly that it was NOT my thing.

HOWEVER, it is perfectly legal! You can shoot a deer, wounding it, having it limp through a forest in pain, and die over the course of a few days, but that is legal!

You can go get a job at a slaughter house, where you run a bolt into a cow's brain all day long and get PAID for it.

Jewish people can cut the foreskin from a living 8 day old baby with NO pain medication, and that is legal, protected, and CELEBRATED.

But Vick can't kill his own animals, on his OWN property, without going to prison?

No one else sees any problem with this? I kill animals near daily. Yesterday I sprayed some flies with insecticide and watched them fly disorented and twitch until they died. I also used my foot to smash a living spider until it died. Will I be thrown in prison for that one day as well just because a bunch of people think its mean and inhumane?

Seriously. Vick is a fool for being involved in this at all and should have some penalty, but if an attempted child molester can get probation, why can't Vick?

Well said.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Killing animals for survival is not the same thing as pitting them against each other in torturous cruel fights!

Being a carnivore is a natual thing, humans have hunted for as long as they have been around.... so do lions, so do dogs.... that is NOT any more a crime than breathing.

Torture, Cruelty... those are crimes. The society you live in says so. Fucking live with it, like it or not - do it and you go to jail, those are the rules and he knew it.

agree to disagree, i agree with lestat.

the torture and cruely is fucked up and he needs therapy.

but in terms of the poor animals, it doesnt matter the intent, the animal is dying, and being mutilated whether its to eat, or for entertainment

 

[jh1]

who do you know that kills animals for survival???

You eat hamburgers?

 

[patsfan1379]

Please keep this all in perspective people.

Just like I think no one should be arrested for the possesion of steroids, I don't think anyone should go to prison for killing dogs, no matter how brutal.

I just sent a link to this thread to [email protected] with your username and email address.

Brian.

 

[Lestat]

You eat hamburgers?

of course! but not for survival, I'd still be alive today even if I NEVER touched a piece of beef.

 

[jh1]

agree to disagree, i agree with lestat.

the torture and cruely is fucked up and he needs therapy.

but in terms of the poor animals, it doesnt matter the intent, the animal is dying, and being mutilated whether its to eat, or for entertainment

Unfortunately for people that disagree, society says they are crimes and you go to jail for commiting said crimes.

They don't give a fuck wether you agree or not.

 

[jnevin]

Any thoughts that tax evaision for unclaimed income from the fights could have been one of the many charges? Is that acceptable for jail time? Or is that stupid too?

 

[Lestat]

I just sent a link to this thread to [email protected] with your username and email address.

Brian.

peta would love my anti hunting stance though.

That's the thing, I am not just repeating someone else's thought. I don't know if this makes me a liberal, a conservative, or as jnevin would love to believe, an idiot.

I am against hunting and dog fighting, something peta would back me for, but I don't think anyone should be put in prison for either.

 

[rudeboyja]

Apparently the big deal was the $$$ involved. But I wonder if this was cock fighting & the same loot was on the table would the feds have come in??

Also I don't think in his wildest dreams did he ever imagine even if he got caught would he get any jail time.

 

[jh1]

of course! but not for survival, I'd still be alive today even if I NEVER touched a piece of beef.

Please. I realize that you *CAN* survive without meat, but it's not natural.

And you eating hamburgers is part of your diet that keeps you alive... so yes.. yes you do. You pay someone to kill animals for your own survival.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Bikini Mod]

My question is if this guy was a nobody would he go to prison for the same offense?

If the answer is yes, then everyone carry on. If the answer is no, then that is wrong no matter how offensive you find what this guy did. If the sentence is a stiff fine and some community service then that is what this guy should get too.

As for all the animal rights people... I could never harm an animal for pleasure or sport but I also could never laugh at the suffering of innocent children - something that I have witnessed right here on EF for far too long.

So as I have said before, you will all forgive me if I dont shed too many tears for the suffering of ANIMALS when my children suffer daily and so many of YOU LAUGH AND MAKE JOKES.

 

[patsfan1379]

you really think people should go to prison for killing dogs?

I'm not sure. What you don't understand is that the law is meant to lay out the rules and the sentence is there to punish the criminal and set a PRECEDENT to potential future criminals.

What the gov't is doing is using a VERY high profile man, who did a very bad thing to a very loved species, as an example to all the other ghetto mother fuckers who think it is cool to fight innocent, defenseless dogs for entertainment purposes.

They are using this as a deterrent to others. Vick is being made an example of.

This is the way of life.

Telling a brother down the block that Vick only got a $200 fine for getting caught dogfighting would turn into them essentially saying "Fuck it, it's only a $200 crime."

Making the penalty SO stiff is what helps prevent the crimes from happening again.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Unfortunately for people that disagree, society says they are crimes and you go to jail for commiting said crimes.

They don't give a fuck wether you agree or not.

people are more important than animals.

simple as that.

animals being protected by the constition and our laws is just one step closer to everyone being completely fucked and having the world not worth living in

 

[calveless wonder]

So as I have said before, you will all forgive me if I dont shed too many tears for the suffering of ANIMALS when my children suffer daily and so many of YOU LAUGH AND MAKE JOKES.

LOL @ making this about you.

michael vick? my children....

only you BM

 

[Bikini Mod]

Please... if that line of reasoning were accurate then EVERY state would have the death penalty.

I dont have any statistics but I dont think that dog-fighting is a crime that has reached epidemic proportions and hurts so many that this IDIOT should be made an example of.

Why dont we just kill all crack and meth dealers on the spot. Methinks that would have some sort of effect on all the ghettomotherfuckers?

Hmmmmmm and what should we do to all the grown men who have sex with young girls? Should we kill them too?

How bout public hangings, etc?

Puh-lease the guy did something incredibly stupid for a man of his wealth and power and he should be punished accordingly.

Amazing how offended people get by the suffering of animals yet THEY LAUGH at the suffering of human beings.

I am sick to my stomach.

 

[patsfan1379]

LOL @ making this about you.

michael vick? my children....

only you BM

This message is hidden because BIKINIMOM is on your ignore list.

Thank Fucking God.

 

[Y_lifter]

He did it for pleasure, not food or nuisance abatement ..
I hate trophy hunters.. It's wasteful

Dog Fighting if a Federal offense with jail time as the possible punishment.

Call your Federal Representative and have the law changed.

 

[CrazyRussian]

LOL @ making this about you.

michael vick? my children....

only you BM

At least Mike Vick had enough respect for the dogs he was slaughtering to not post extremely personal information about them on the internet where anyone can see it.

 

[Bikini Mod]

LOL @ making this about you.

michael vick? my children....

only you BM

It isn't about ME....

It is about the topic at hand.

So many are so offended by what was done to DOGS yet these same people LAUGH at the suffering of children. I suppose if they were YOUR children you might feel differently?

NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Dogs would be so much more important.

All of you disgust me.

 

[calveless wonder]

i think michael vick should have electricuted some of the people in this thread and he would have won a super bowl instead of going to jail

 

[Bikini Mod]

At least Mike Vick had enough respect for the dogs he was slaughtering to not post extremely personal information about them on the internet where anyone can see it.

Good thing that none of the men here have ever done that....

 

[patsfan1379]

OMG please dont let pychomom hijack this thread. lets all agree to ignore her.

 

[Y_lifter]

Was Lestat laughing at Children being tortured again ?

I thought he was warned about that by Digger ?

tisk tisk

 

[Bikini Mod]

i think michael vick should have electricuted some of the people in this thread and he would have won a super bowl instead of going to jail

And your words illustrate my point very well.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Was Lestat laughing at Children being tortured again ?

I thought he was warned about that by Digger ?

tisk tisk

Not about Lestat... For the record though I dont agree with all of his politics I've not seen him post anything of the sort.

 

[Y_lifter]

Not about Lestat... For the record though I dont agree with all of his politics I've not seen him post anything of the sort.

I bet he has tons of Pictures..

 

[Bikini Mod]

See... where is all the psycho-mom bullshit rhetoric coming from?

Every single one of the posts made by these guys illustrates my point.

Please do go on.

 

[jh1]

I think Lestat tootally ownzed SUbz by getting him to jump on the bandwagon on this, cause there is no fuckign way lesbor is 4 real about trying to equate dog fighting to raising farm animals for slaughter...

 

[Bikini Mod]

I bet he has tons of Pictures..

LOL

...of the dogs in question being electrocuted or about the suffering of children?

 

[fitnessgrl8621]

hanging is acceptable for humans, why not for animals?

same with eletrocution.

Drowning isn't so human, but doesn't exactly promote suffering, how long does it take to become unconscious? a minute?

lol Is it acceptable to hang humans for no reason? If it is, I was not aware.
Hanging a human that has been found guilty of such heinous crimes that deem the death penalty, yes. If I wanted to hang someone just for the hell of it, no. Did the dogs knowingly kill another human being? Did they rape/abuse a small child? Doubtful. Your analogy doesn't make any sense.

 

[Lestat]

I think Lestat tootally ownzed SUbz by getting him to jump on the bandwagon on this, cause there is no fuckign way lesbor is 4 real about trying to equate dog fighting to raising farm animals for slaughter...

I feel that Vick should NOT go to prison for this crimes, simple as that.

I think what he did is no worse than what many hunters in this country do.

 

[patsfan1379]

read my post lestat

 

[jnevin]

At least Mike Vick had enough respect for the dogs he was slaughtering to not post extremely personal information about them on the internet where anyone can see it.

LMAO

 

[jh1]

lol Is it acceptable to hang humans for no reason? If it is, I was not aware.
Hanging a human that has been found guilty of such heinous crimes that deem the death penalty, yes. If I wanted to hang someone just for the hell of it, no. Did the dogs knowingly kill another human being? Did they rape/abuse a small child? Doubtful. Your analogy doesn't make any sense.

Owned by Tits McGee...

 

[patsfan1379]

I'm not sure. What you don't understand is that the law is meant to lay out the rules and the sentence is there to punish the criminal and set a PRECEDENT to potential future criminals.

What the gov't is doing is using a VERY high profile man, who did a very bad thing to a very loved species, as an example to all the other ghetto mother fuckers who think it is cool to fight innocent, defenseless dogs for entertainment purposes.

They are using this as a deterrent to others. Vick is being made an example of.

This is the way of life.

Telling a brother down the block that Vick only got a $200 fine for getting caught dogfighting would turn into them essentially saying "Fuck it, it's only a $200 crime."

Making the penalty SO stiff is what helps prevent the crimes from happening again.

Bump for response from Lestat

 

[Lestat]

also big thanks to those of you who have greened me up on this thread, even if you can't come out and publicly agree with what i've said at least you've let me know that I am not alone.

I think people have an emotional and a knee jerk response to this thread.

"Oh my GOD he electrocuted a cute little defenseless doggy!" boo hoo

how many of those people shed a SINGLE tear for anyone killed by sheer negligance after the katrina incident?

Oh and by the way, who did they put in prison for the levy failures and failed emergency response?

 

[jh1]

also big thanks to those of you who have greened me up on this thread, even if you can't come out and publicly agree with what i've said at least you've let me know that I am not alone.

I think people have an emotional and a knee jerk response to this thread.

"Oh my GOD he electrocuted a cute little defenseless doggy!" boo hoo

how many of those people shed a SINGLE tear for anyone killed by sheer negligance after the katrina incident?

Oh and by the way, who did they put in prison for the levy failures and failed emergency response?

LMFAO @ The thinly vield 'I have phantom supporters' post...

 

[patsfan1379]

also big thanks to those of you who have greened me up on this thread, even if you can't come out and publicly agree with what i've said at least you've let me know that I am not alone.

I think people have an emotional and a knee jerk response to this thread.

"Oh my GOD he electrocuted a cute little defenseless doggy!" boo hoo

how many of those people shed a SINGLE tear for anyone killed by sheer negligance after the katrina incident?

Oh and by the way, who did they put in prison for the levy failures and failed emergency response?

Bull fucking shit on people besides subz or another dropping you greenbombs.

Show me a screenshot.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Show me a screenshot.

He's photoshopping as we speak.

 

[Lestat]

Bump for response from Lestat

I disagree with making him the example then. Dog fighting didn't start with Vick and won't end with Vick. He should be punished, yes, he should face consquences, but prison time, no.

 

[Lestat]

Bull fucking shit on people besides subz or another dropping you greenbombs.

Show me a screenshot.

I'll put up 1,000,000 K if you'll do the same.

if so, let me know and then I'll make sure its ok with the other parties that I post their handles (i'll split the k with them).

 

[CrazyRussian]

I feel that Vick should NOT go to prison for this crimes, simple as that.

I think what he did is no worse than what many hunters in this country do.

Lestat do you think before you post? Do you bother doing any research?
Do you really believe that Mike Vick is going to prison for just "killing dogs"? How about the racketeering, gambling ring, conspiracy, and interstate commerce charges...? Should Vick not be punished for those things either?

 

[Lestat]

Lestat do you think before you post? Do you bother doing any research?
Do you really believe that Mike Vick is going to prison for just "killing dogs"? How about the racketeering, gambling ring, conspiracy, and interstate commerce charges...? Should Vick not be punished for those things either?

every article I have read on the case has ZEROED in on the fact that he was involved in the killing of approximately 8 dogs by hanging, drowning, and electrocution.

I wasn't aware that they federally prosecuted people for racketeering and gambling for the amounts he was working with (I think the largest was what, 30,000?)

 

[-SD-]

every article I have read on the case has ZEROED in on the fact that he was involved in the killing of approximately 8 dogs by hanging, drowning, and electrocution.

I wasn't aware that they federally prosecuted people for racketeering and gambling for the amounts he was working with (I think the largest was what, 30,000?)

As with lots of cases, vick will do jailtime bases on the combination of many charges, not simply one charge of killing/torturing a few dogs.

 

[patsfan1379]

I disagree with making him the example then. Dog fighting didn't start with Vick and won't end with Vick. He should be punished, yes, he should face consquences, but prison time, no.

OK. Let's do some basic philosophy and logic. Two things you are so fond of.

1. You stated you think dogfighting is WRONG.
2. I'm going to assume you think it should STOP.
3. To get people to STOP something we think is WRONG, the gov't makes LAWS
4. LAWS punish people to STOP them from doing something WRONG
5. LAWS need to deter future offenders from doing said WRONG thing
6. In order to be effective, LAWS must communicated to the public
7. LAWS must be stiff enough to deter those people
8. Vick did something WRONG and broke the LAW
9. The gov't is using him to set a precedent to STOP others from breaking that LAW and doing something WRONG
10. Hence he needs to go to jail and have his life ruined to STOP others from breaking the LAW and doing something WRONG

Make sense?

Chop every coke addicts left hand off if they get caught. Overkill?? Maybe. But I bet there would be less coke on the streets in about a year...

 

[CrazyRussian]

every article I have read on the case has ZEROED in on the fact that he was involved in the killing of approximately 8 dogs by hanging, drowning, and electrocution.

I wasn't aware that they federally prosecuted people for racketeering and gambling for the amounts he was working with (I think the largest was what, 30,000?)

Why argue over semantics (patsfan and jh1) when Lestat doesn't even know the charges in this case? lmao

 

[puddlemonkey]

every article I have read on the case has ZEROED in on the fact that he was involved in the killing of approximately 8 dogs by hanging, drowning, and electrocution.

I know you're aware of how the media works. Racketeering doesn't exactly get people riled up or really even interested, but killings/drownings do. They have ratings to think about.

 

[patsfan1379]

I'll put up 1,000,000 K if you'll do the same.

if so, let me know and then I'll make sure its ok with the other parties that I post their handles (i'll split the k with them).

Do the same with what? I'll post a screenshot any day of the week of my K. I don't care. lol.

Post it up pussy. Without you getting hit by your alters.

 

[puddlemonkey]

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to patsfag1379 again."

 

[patsfan1379]

It's 5:07. Post it up right now instead of recruiting others via PMs to get them to hit you with green.

 

[heatherrae]

I think he shouldn't serve hard time. I think, instead, we should drag him out electrocute him, water torture him, and then hang him.

 

[patsfan1379]

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to patsfag1379 again."

one for me lestank

 

[patsfan1379]

5:12 here lesfat

 

[patsfan1379]

WTF pussy I have to leave work in 5 min., then go to the gym and go home. How am I supposed to trust that you settled this?

 

[jnevin]

He's full of shit.

 

[puddlemonkey]

WTF pussy I have to leave work in 5 min.

Fluffers can't be a little late?