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The Very BEST PCT for 2010 -- Right Here

So pretty much nolva and clomid are outdated and HCGenerate, etc are their new and better replacements?
I'm just a bit skeptical since this site advertises the company which makes these products (HCGenerate, etc).

The site advertises lots of stuff that doesn't get big recommendations and there are always recommendations of stuff the site does not sell. The reason UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE et al are recommended is because they work. ANd because they don;t advertise heavily, a lot of people don;t know about it. That's what makes EF a great place to hang around. It's on the cutting edge of information on supps, anabolics, peptides and pretty much everything else.
 
The site advertises lots of stuff that doesn't get big recommendations and there are always recommendations of stuff the site does not sell. The reason UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE et al are recommended is because they work. ANd because they don;t advertise heavily, a lot of people don;t know about it. That's what makes EF a great place to hang around. It's on the cutting edge of information on supps, anabolics, peptides and pretty much everything else.

Yeh I enjoy reading through the forums, alot of quality information from people who have been there done that. So what would a general PCT look like using Unleashed, HCGenerate, etc?
Or would you have to customise it depending on what you ran and the duration of the cycle?

another thing, the EF email today was about 'Why you need Nolva in your PCT'. I am a bit confused.
 
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This is what I've gathered from this thread on PCT.

Step 1: Use HCGenerate while on cycle
Step 2: Use HCG or HMB while on cycle
Step 3: Use Proviron and/or unleashed while on cycle
Step 4: Use Aromasin or Arimidex while on cycle if estrogen sides get out of hand
Step 5: Use Post Cycle for PCT
Step 6: Use Forma Stanzol for PCT

I've never used steriods before and Im glad I came to this thread before I start.
Im 34 years old currently, 5'5", 140lbs, 15%bf.
I've been lifting for 20 years but stopped lifting heavy for about a year now and started MMA.
Still hitting the weights about twice a week, doing alot of running, skipping bagwork, etc.
I'm preparing for my first mma bout sometime in 2012.

Im going to start my first cycle soon and need help regarding dosage, cycle length, pct, etc.
I've noticed that I've slowed down compared to just a few years ago, endurance and recovery also deteriorated.

My goals are:
1) Gain endurance and speed up recovery from MMA training
2) Strength gain
3) Build and keep a little muscle
4) Get lean and look good

This is what my cycle and PCT look like. Please critique.

Week 1 - 10 Testosterone Propionate 100mg EOD
Week 5 - 10 Anavar 50mg ED

Week 1 - 10 HCGenerate 5 Caps a day
Week 2 - 10 HCG 250iu twice a week
Week 1 - 10 Arimidex 0.25 ED or Aromasin(what dose?) (if needed)
Week 1 - 14 Forged Liver Support
Week 1 - 14 Unleashed Just for fun
Week 1 - 14 Need to slin Just for fun

PCT
Week 11 - 14 Forged Post Cycle
Week 11 - 14 HCGenerate 10 Caps a day
Week 11 - 14 Forma Stanzol 9 pumps twice a day
Week 11 - 14 Nolvadex 20/20/10/10


Should I use Forma Stanzol during cycle as well?
I also read that using any testosterone preparation while in recovery will inhibit natural test production.
So should i go with Forged Post Cycle and/or HCGenerate while on PCT or omit it completely?

I'd appreciate any helpful feedback. Thanks!
 
There are variations and everyone has their own preferences. Some people find Nolva useful. I do not. Anti's are dependant of one's suseptability to gyno.

Personally, I think HCGen and Forma are best suited while on, (along with N2GUARD).

UNLEASHED can be on and off and POST CYCLE with UNLEASHED for PCT.

Follow with BRIDGE until the next cycle.
 
How does this look?

Cycle:
Week 1 - 10 testosterone Propionate 100mg EOD
Week 5 - 10 anavar 50mg ED

Cycle Support:
Week 5 - 10 hcg 250iu twice a week
Week 1 - 10 Arimidex 0.25 ED / Aromasin - As needed
Week 1 - 14 Liv52
Week 1 - 14 Forma Stanzol
Week 1 - 14 Universal Animal Flex


PCT
Week 7 - 14 HCGenerate
Week 11 - 14 Unleashed (1 bottle)
Week 11 - 14 Post Cycle (1 bottle)
Week 11 - 14 Nolvadex 20/20/10/10


BRIDGE
 
Would running unleashed and post cycle at only 3 pills a day cut it for a
10week 150mg/eod of prop,
150mg/eod of npp?
Already have plenty clomid, nolva, cabergoline, and aromasin.
Planning on aromasin and caber 2weeks pre cycle all the way to last day of pct.
Any ideas? Thanks.
 
How does this look?

Cycle:
Week 1 - 10 testosterone Propionate 100mg EOD
Week 5 - 10 anavar 50mg ED

Cycle Support:
Week 5 - 10 hcg 250iu twice a week
Week 1 - 10 Arimidex 0.25 ED / Aromasin - As needed
Week 1 - 14 Liv52
Week 1 - 14 Forma Stanzol
Week 1 - 14 Universal Animal Flex


PCT
Week 7 - 14 HCGenerate
Week 11 - 14 Unleashed (1 bottle)
Week 11 - 14 Post Cycle (1 bottle)
Week 11 - 14 Nolvadex 20/20/10/10


BRIDGE

I'd leave out the nolva. Use 500 iu of HCG once a week. Use the forma for 12 weeks. Even if you need the dex, use it EOD.
 
How does this look, Am running a Test Cyponiate only: 400mg /week for 8 weeks:

Week 1 : One Test 400mg shot
Week 2 - Week 8 : One Test 400mg Shot + 20mg of Nolvadex Daily
After the end of the cycle: 3 shots of Pregnyl seperated with 5 days + Continue to use 20mg of Nolvadex for 4 weeks

- Am gonna start using natural test boosters in the 9th week
- Would using a DHT blocker provide any help in minimizing hair loss ?
 
UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE cost about a dollar a day.

WOW! And I was about to spend my money on Clomid, Nolva, and still will get HCG. I am just trying to figure out how many bottles of Forma Stanzol, HCGenerate, Unleashed (I think 1 bottle), Post Cycle (also thinking 1 bottle), and Bridge I will need for my cycle and PCT. Just when you think you found good information as you are trying to do the right thing and research...I find this post by Nelson and it is like God has shown me the way to him! Thanks Nelson, this will be my PCT for many cycles to come...but would like to figure out cost, amounts of product needed, and dial it all in before I order.

I am planning on running a 12 week Test Cyp/EQ cycle, am prone to gyno...I think...maybe didn't follow a good PCT last time, second guessing myself here, but THANK YOU to all of you who made this some of the best information I have found in any forum!

Nelson could you assist? Is the best place to get this Mr. Supps?
 
Come on man, what a loss ! With all this info you pour here but could not redact it clearly. WHAT IS WHAT? I'm puzzled !
Please share knowledge with wisdom
 
I am just starting week 8 of a 12 week Test E only cycle. I have Arimidex, Nolva, and Clomid on hand, but after coming here and reading I am starting to see that there are other options. In fact I picked up some Formastanzol and began using it starting at week 5. I also picked up some HCGenerate yesterday.

Would something like this work?

1-12 Test E 250mg 2/week
5-16 Formastanzol
8-12 HCGenerate
8-16 Unleashed
8-16 Arimidex @.25 ED

16- Bridge

Unfortunately I don't have any HCG or HMG.

Thanks in advance.
 
bump... this thread was pretty fun to read...

i love the idea of the HCGenerate + unleashed/post cycle + formastanzol = on cycle/post cycle
 
now... what about throwing in some of needtobuildmuscle DAA in the mix... from day one of pct? i guess it really depends on what aas one's taking though, doesn't it?
let's say Tren...
HCGenerate the last 3 weeks of "on cycle"
then throw in the Unleashed + post cycle + DAA + HCGenerate + forma-stanzol = pefect pct??
 
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: Advancing is a good thing. You want the best of the best? now you have it
So just to get this straight. Is it possible to use arimidex instead of forma-stanzol? If yes, how would you go about using it instead of forma? or do forma and a-dex work too different from each other to substitute?
Reason I ask is I'm not sure about the availability of forma in Australia. I'm a newbie as well so I'm just on the stages of planning and researching, I want to get this as perfect as possible.
 
hi there this is my 1st post so il prob make a meal of it lol im gonna do a cycle of 500mg of sustanon a week 4 prob 10 weeks and may stack with Dbol or just run sust alone, i have read the entire thread am very impressed but also a little confused as being a beginner to this, this is my 1st cycle ever, i have worked out 4 a long time and used to be a competitive swimmer.

My cycle: 500mg/wk wks 1-10 and Dbol wks 1-4 (if any has an opinion on this ?)

PCT ? not sure what products would be best and most suitable outta the range described, and what doses and times during the cycle e.g HCG, unleashed, post cycle etc ? (was gonna start my PCT at 10-12 days after last pin)

Also the bridge supplement caught my eye and people said to take until your next cycle starts, however the website reccomends discontinued useage after 6 weeks and iv read you should wait longer before starting another cycle ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated cheers nick
 
hi there this is my 1st post so il prob make a meal of it lol im gonna do a cycle of 500mg of sustanon a week 4 prob 10 weeks and may stack with Dbol or just run sust alone, i have read the entire thread am very impressed but also a little confused as being a beginner to this, this is my 1st cycle ever, i have worked out 4 a long time and used to be a competitive swimmer.

My cycle: 500mg/wk wks 1-10 and Dbol wks 1-4 (if any has an opinion on this ?)

PCT ? not sure what products would be best and most suitable outta the range described, and what doses and times during the cycle e.g HCG, unleashed, post cycle etc ? (was gonna start my PCT at 10-12 days after last pin)

Also the bridge supplement caught my eye and people said to take until your next cycle starts, however the website reccomends discontinued useage after 6 weeks and iv read you should wait longer before starting another cycle ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated cheers nick

You'll get a better response by starting a new thread bossman...

Welcome

~EZ
 
i know that but i am asking about the newer PCT products described and discussed in this story/forum i know about nolva clomid etc

i was interested in these newer and apparently more productive PCT substances so didnt wana start a new thread and waste evrybodies time talking about clomid and nolva etc

It just seemed that the originators and the most experianced with these new supplements were all in this thread in perticular so id thought it better to list here.
again any help would be much appreciated please.
 
I'll say it right now -- MAKE THIS A STICKY!!!

To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...

MOST PCT PROCEDURES ARE BULLSHIT!!!

How can I say that? Well, because PCT is nothing but guesswork -- granted, there's some science and some very clever hypothesis involved, but it is not a medical treatment simply for the fact that it is not recognized as a medical condition. So what some of the pioneers of steroid use did was make some educated guesses as to what to use. But almost everything was considered a "good idea" 10 years ago, has been discredited.

The first "prevenative drug was Nolvadex. This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was brilliant in deducing that gyno was a form of a breast tumor and Nolva was an ANTI BREAST TUMOR drug. But Nolva comes with a host of side effects, including, lessened gains, lowered sex drive, bone loss,increased LDL and potential heart disease. And for what? Reducing the risk of gyno which can be prevented in the first place. Evn Dan admitted it was a shitty drug. So how did it become so popular for PCT? Because the internet is filled with idiots who are promoted as drug gurus. There isn't one shred of evidence that shows Nolva to help restore HPTA. Not ONE. But old habits die fast.

Clomid? Don't get me started. It's an estrogen It does what estrogens do. If you recover using Clomid it's usually IN SPITE of it, not because of it. In some cases it acts as an estrogen antagonist -- if your estrogen is high -- and you're lucky enough to respond in that way. Feeling lucky? You don't have to. There's a better way.

The smartest PCT is a 6 step program.

Step One: While "on" use HcGenerate to lessen suppression.

Step Two: Use HCG or HMG to kickstart your HPTA. This will not last however. The body must take over on its own, but this will help. DO NOT over use HCG. It will only lose effectiveness if you do too much.


Step Three: Use Proviron and/or UNLEASHED to lower SHBG and increase free testosterone -- making it as high as possible, even when suppressed. At some point you have to come off the Proviron but the UNLEASHED , which works similarly, can be used indefinitely.

Step Four: Use Aromasin to remove excess estrogen that may build up when androgen levels are lower and to allow the body to create more natural testosterone.

Step Four: Use POST CYCLE to detox liver, balance e and maintain erectile function -- VERY IMPORTANT when recovering. It keep the hormonal system working and that keeps the body making testosterone.

Step Five: Use Forma- Stanzol to keep Estro on check. If you're ultra sensitive to estrogen sides, add a tiny bit of arimidex. That's all you need.

Steo Six: Follow with BRIDGE to keep that "on" feeling. GEAR is also excellent to replicate the extra nitrogen that steroids provide. The 2 work great together.

There you have it. It's a little more complicated than just popping a pill of one thing or the other, but it's the only TRUE PCT there is. And the bottom line is ...it works. EVERYTIME. GUARANTEED.

Do it smart. Do it safe. THIS is the very best PCT as of 2010.

Interesting
 
Nelson, now that at least 2 of the suggested products are no longer available, what would be your suggestion for PCT?

I'm running enth 375 a week, var 50mg ed, clen 2 wk on 2 wk off and t3.

Thanks!
 
So if I understand correctly while on cycle you could use anastrozole or Forma Stane (or both?) but what I don't get from all of this info is how to use the AI's while on cycle and also with HCGenerate thrown in the mix. Can anyone clarify this for me?
 
So if I understand correctly while on cycle you could use anastrozole or Forma Stane (or both?) but what I don't get from all of this info is how to use the AI's while on cycle and also with HCGenerate thrown in the mix. Can anyone clarify this for me?

HCGen and Forma are best while on, then switch to UNLEASHED, protein factory POST-CYCLE and if needed, some HCG and a-dex.
 
HCGen and Forma are best while on, then switch to UNLEASHED, protein factory POST-CYCLE and if needed, some HCG and a-dex.

Yes I understand when to use them. I was more interested in the details of how much, how long, it was kind of confusing reading the sticky and trying to figure out when to use the different products but my experience helped me figure the when from your posts and how you described the use of them. Also Need 2 helped me out as well.

Thanks for the good info and sticky. I've been using the HCGenerate for 7 weeks now as well as the Forma. HCGen Seems to help but hasn't stopped all shrinkage but I believe it has helped. I can def notice a higher sex drive when taking it. I'm taking antistrozole 1mg 2x a wk. Along with the Forma. No sides yet. Test E 500mg week. I would be good with 300mg if UGL stuff was doses correctly...guess your just lucky if you get something properly dosed with a UGL. Going pharma grade on test e next time. Tired of guessing and hoping. I want to know exactly what I'm getting so I can determine exactly how much AI's I need.
 
the massive wall of text knocked me for six, but my main question, is there any evidence besides anecdoctal that all these PCT ancillaries work?
(sorry if i appear to be lazy or uninformed, but just curious)
 
So if I understand correctly while on cycle you could use anastrozole or Forma Stane (or both?) but what I don't get from all of this info is how to use the AI's while on cycle and also with HCGenerate thrown in the mix. Can anyone clarify this for me?

AI's keep estro in check, HCG keeps LH functioning. Where's the conflict?

4 years later and this procedure still holds up. HVG while on. UNLEASHED and protien factory POST CYCLE. BRIDGE and GEAR.

You can get fancier, but that is the basis of a successful PCT.
 
AI's keep estro in check, HCG keeps LH functioning. Where's the conflict?

4 years later and this procedure still holds up. HVG while on. UNLEASHED and protien factory POST CYCLE. BRIDGE and GEAR.

You can get fancier, but that is the basis of a successful PCT.

I did a 14 week cycle of test cyp and masteron 400mg/week of each. Last month I ran HCG (Blasted first, then did 500iu every 4 days for the last month of my cycle). 3 weeks later I started climid, ran it for almost 2 weeks but the sides sucked(Felt sleepy/tired and had headaches) so I stopped. I just ordered Unleashed and Post cycle. Is the forma stanzol really needed? I have also been taking HCGenerate for the last two months. I did not get any gyno or sensitivity in my breasts the entire cycle or in the last month that I have been off. Just want to get back to regular :)

Thanks
 
Thanks Nelson exactly wat I have been looking for, coming off scares the shit out of me. After reading this I am much more relieved
 
Ye coming off is crap !! If just come off a Sus course was amazing , felt super human , nothing was too heavy , now a mere week later , I have lost 6 pounds and strength going quick ! Taking all the sups Creatine , Glutamine etc , but let's face it natural sucks !! Unfortunately my young wife wants children and so do I , so natural it is !! Let's hope I can have kids , judging by the size of my nuts , I would be lucky to impregnate a mouse !!


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Hi guys, just wondering if I could get some help....
Recently come off a cycle was having symptoms of gyno will on, started pct this week using tamoxifen and the problem seems to be getting worse? Any advice would be really appreciated . Sorry if I've posted this on wrong page . I'm new to this app. Thanks in advance :)



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