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The Ultimate cutting thread

Black Boxster

Black Boxster

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Guys and Ladies...Let's hear you ultimate cutting diet that allows you to keep muscle ( or gain some) while burning the fat...post meal plans, food logs, what ever it takes! List all supplements you take or recommend, even changes in your training routine....let's get EF LEAN and MEAN!!!!!!:biggrin:
 
i will generalize my precontest diet by saying
it is just a overall taper down of my calories from
5000cals-1800cals over the course of 3-months
the beginning months have carbs and fruits with lower fat
and then those eventually get cut and fat is increased
protein is at a constant 200-300grams
cardio peaks at the beginning of the diet when im fuller
and have more fat to burn
and then by the end i have a mix of high and low intensity cardio
with focus being more on sustaining my muscle rather than in the beginning
when its all about burning fat
 
what rage of sparta said is probably the best way to get ripped, not lose alot of weight but burn alot of fat. if you go from say 4000 calories and jump straight to 1800 calories, your body will eventually hit a plateau and you dont have much calories to work with, but if you take off 250-500 calories every couple of weeks when you hit a plateau, you have alot of calories to work with. plus with the added cardio, youi'll burn even more, and when you hit a plateau, add another session for the week, for example, instead of cardio 4 times a week, do 5, etc, etc
 
I used to rock 1500 a day and i was weighin in 300 315, on an eca i would do 1 cup oats in the morning 1 scoop whey. workout then half a turkey sandwich on ezikiel bread then another 3 hours later with a protein shake. whatever for dinner and bang 1500 calories of deficiet fat burning rawness! p.s i strongly advise on cuttin down that much especially if your a big dude its just way too little food and dangerous
 
Rage-Of-Sparta:

From memory you use very high quantities of fish oil when your cutting comp? I'm aware of studies suggesting omega 3's increase fat oxidation - have u large scale fish oil supplementation has helped measurably in your comp prep (I know its often suggested in T-nation)?
 
desmond said:
Rage-Of-Sparta:

From memory you use very high quantities of fish oil when your cutting comp? I'm aware of studies suggesting omega 3's increase fat oxidation - have u large scale fish oil supplementation has helped measurably in your comp prep (I know its often suggested in T-nation)?
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Don't they sell a fish oil supp?? lol

I would like to see some thoughts on this as well. I have not noticed any difference between 15g a day and 30g a day. Then again I have not run 30g a day for a long duration.
 
i was on a no carb diet for about 1-2 months
for my first and second competition
they were both a year apart
first comp. lost size, strength, and motivation all together
half way through my prep
diet was 300-400protein
20-30 carbs from veggies
20-30 fats from ANPB
had chest, shoulder, elbow and knee pain

second show
i was gaining strength
even though not much but still gaining
had no joint pain and had energy
no joint pain at all
this diet consisted of
150-200protein
20-30carbs from veggies
60-80grams of fat from fish oil or red meat

i feel that dosing the fish oil close to 40-60grams
a day helped me burn fat, kept my energy up, and absolutely kept my
joints lubed and pain free
CARLSONS FISH OIL was all i took 4-6 tbsp aday
 
Rage-Of-Sparta said:
i was on a no carb diet for about 1-2 months
for my first and second competition
they were both a year apart
first comp. lost size, strength, and motivation all together
half way through my prep
diet was 300-400protein
20-30 carbs from veggies
20-30 fats from ANPB
had chest, shoulder, elbow and knee pain

second show
i was gaining strength
even though not much but still gaining
had no joint pain and had energy
no joint pain at all
this diet consisted of
150-200protein
20-30carbs from veggies
60-80grams of fat from fish oil or red meat

i feel that dosing the fish oil close to 40-60grams
a day helped me burn fat, kept my energy up, and absolutely kept my
joints lubed and pain free
CARLSONS FISH OIL was all i took 4-6 tbsp aday
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Carlson's Finest Lemon Flavor FTW!!!!

I currently take a tsp of Carlson's with three meals a day and two or four caps of NSI brand with all my other meals. I am going to bump those three servings of Carlson's up to a TBSP a each. I don't think it would be too bad of an idea, especially being on a higher fat diet.
 
SouthernLord said:
Carlson's Finest Lemon Flavor FTW!!!!

I currently take a tsp of Carlson's with three meals a day and two or four caps of NSI brand with all my other meals. I am going to bump those three servings of Carlson's up to a TBSP a each. I don't think it would be too bad of an idea, especially being on a higher fat diet.
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well you eat so much fat you should have a high amount of omega 3. You could determine precisely how much omega 6 ur consuming by a source such as cro-nometer and aim to balance it.

Early man ate a ratio of omega 3/6 between 1/1 and 1/2. Most people now is something like 1/10+. The health benefits of omega 3 are pretty much endless: Omega-3 fatty acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The role of omega 6 is inflammtory; omega 3 is anti-inflammatory. Omega 6 is basically there to stop us bleeding if we got injured trying to hunt wild game when we were cave men. It could easily be argued that the more appropriate diet in modern society actually contain more omega 3 than 6, given the reduced need for omega 6.


WHAT ABOUT FOR A BODYBUILDER - NOT JUST GENERAL HEALTH

A lot of bodybuilders too would also have bad ratios. For example, peanut butter actually is terrible in this regard. 100g of peanut fat actually is over 1/3 omega 6 with no omega 3. Almonds, macadamia, hazelnuts are superior.


Examples of bodybuilding sites arguing for greater consumption of omega 3 > omega 6 and megadosing include
Essential Fatty Acids
T-Nation.com | The 2008 Fat Loss Roundtable, Part I
T-Nation.com | Fish Oil and Fat Loss

The risk of omega 3 and bulking is its anti-inflammatory properties may work against muscle gain. I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried mega dosing or large dosages of omega 3 bulking and whether its been counterproductive.
 
Palumbo, Keot, Anabolic, carb cycling and every other diet out in the market. They all work some better then others but in truth they do their JOB. The fact is most lazy people dont know how to work macro's into the diet to fit a 6 or 7 meal daily plan and eat way to much or just simply not enough.
 
From what I'm reading for cutting, almost everyone is doing a low carb, high protein, moderate fat diet? Years ago ( early 90's) I followed a Program by Parrillo Performance..one of the supps I took was MCT's ( Medium Chain triclyerides)...they now have a product called captri...( sounds like MCT's to me)..anyone still using MCT in cutting phase, or is that considered "OLD school" ?
 
hey bro Dianabol...

1950s school if it works MCT's or whatever you call it old school that works is good school...I am 31 by most standards that makes me old school but trust me I still work gut! :evil:
 
Sparta,

This is the first time I have come accross tapering down.

Right now Im on a 3.5 months cycle

Dbol (1-6)
EQ (1-14)
Tren (8-14)
Test(1-14)

In the past I have always kep my cals relatively low to stay lean, but this cycle im incresing them substantially to see what gains I get.

however I was intending to do CKD last 6 weeks of the cycle to try and lean out by the end. Would you suggest a slow taper all the way down to PCT (obviously upping cals once PCT starts) in order to lean out?
 
This works very well for me:

MEAL 1:
5 whole eggs (buy the OMEGA-3 EGGS they sell in the supermarket) with 1 cup of Cream of Rice or Oatmeal

MEAL 2:
“LEAN PROTEIN MEAL” ½ pound (8oz) of chicken (or turkey or lean fish or shrimp) with ½ cup cashew nuts (or almonds or walnuts) with 1 cup RICE (brown or white)

MEAL 3:
“FATTY PROTEIN MEAL” ½ pound (8oz) of red meat (or salmon or swordfish) with a salad with 2 tablespoon of olive oil (or macadamia nut oil) and vinegar with 1 baked potato and/or yam



MEAL 4: (pre-workout)
50g Whey Protein with a liquid carbohydrate drink (such as WAXY MAIZE) try to get at least 50g carbs

GYM: WEIGHT TRAINING

MEAL 5: (post-workout)
50g Whey Protein with a liquid carbohydrate drink--try to get at least 50g carbs

MEAL 6:
“LEAN PROTEIN MEAL” ½ pound (8oz) of chicken (or turkey or lean fish or shrimp) with ½ cup cashew nuts (or almonds or walnuts) with 1 cup RICE (brown or white)


MEAL 7: 5 whole eggs with ½ cup grits or Oatmeal

MEAL 8: 50g whey with 1 ½ tablespoons all natural Peanutbutter
 
wow Chris- thats alot of food! if thats your cutting diet- Id love to see your bulking diet..LOL

heres my contest/cutting diet-

Meal #1 5 egg whites, 1/4 c. oatmeal
Meal #2 5 egg whites, 1/4 c. oatmeal
Meal #3 4 oz 99% lean turkey breast, veggies
Meal #4 4 oz. white fish, veggies
Meal #5 Protein shake with veggies
Meal #6 4 OZ white fish, salad
Meal #7 5 egg white/veggie omelet
 
How much glutamine and leucine features on the ultimate cutting diet?

And a related question. Does leucine have 0 calories:

"Proteins, like carbohydrates, contain 4 kilocalories per gram as opposed to lipids which contain 9 kilocalories and alcohols which contain 7 kilocalories. The liver and to a much lesser extent the kidneys, can convert amino acids used by cells in protein biosynthesis into glucose by a process known as gluconeogenesis. The amino acids leucine and lysine are exceptions (my emphasis)." Protein in nutrition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
just a quick tip, works really fast, cut all starchy carbs after 6 pm, just fiberous carbs, efa's and protein, makes a huge difference fast. Cardio and ephedrine are mandatory of course
 
Does anyone eat salads along with there Proteins? I've always been a big believer in lots of green leafy veggies, along with cucumbers,limited amounts of tomatoes...makes eating all that tuna or lean turkey easier..and I've always thought as most salads as "negative calories"...takes more energy to eat and digest than your putting in, plus added fiber and more fullness.

So Fish oil seems pretty huge in everyone's cutting diet....I take caps...how is the taste of the liquid?

Haven't heard about any supplements. Anyone taking CLA, ECA, lipoflame, etc to assist in there cutting?
 
There is no evidence to suggest any foods have net calories (except perhaps straight water), but most people consume salads with meat, simply for palatability and satiety. It's just a given I think that people consume spinach, brocolli on a cutting diet - otherwise u'd be very hungry in the evening and furthermore, you'd be relying too heavily on supplements for nutrition and fibre.

Many vegetables have a very small amount of net carbs (e.g., spinach, brocolli, mushrooms, tomatoes) and most are very nutritious.

The liquid taste of fish oil isn't too bad, and if you don't like it, just drink water afterwards. For me the taste then dissipates.

Black Boxster said:
Does anyone eat salads along with there Proteins? I've always been a big believer in lots of green leafy veggies, along with cucumbers,limited amounts of tomatoes...makes eating all that tuna or lean turkey easier..and I've always thought as most salads as "negative calories"...takes more energy to eat and digest than your putting in, plus added fiber and more fullness.

So Fish oil seems pretty huge in everyone's cutting diet....I take caps...how is the taste of the liquid?

Haven't heard about any supplements. Anyone taking CLA, ECA, lipoflame, etc to assist in there cutting?
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desmond said:
There is no evidence to suggest any foods have net calories (except perhaps straight water), but most people consume salads with meat, simply for palatability and satiety. It's just a given I think that people consume spinach, brocolli on a cutting diet - otherwise u'd be very hungry in the evening and furthermore, you'd be relying too heavily on supplements for nutrition and fibre.

Many vegetables have a very small amount of net carbs (e.g., spinach, brocolli, mushrooms, tomatoes) and most are very nutritious.

The liquid taste of fish oil isn't too bad, and if you don't like it, just drink water afterwards. For me the taste then dissipates.
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The only liquid fish oil supplement I have every used is Carlson's Finest Lemon flavor (I am up to 4-5 tbsp a day btw) and it is the only brand I will ever use. You could actually mix it into a vinaigrette and eat it on a salad, it is that good.
 
Black Boxster said:
So Fish oil seems pretty huge in everyone's cutting diet....I take caps...how is the taste of the liquid?

Haven't heard about any supplements. Anyone taking CLA, ECA, lipoflame, etc to assist in there cutting?
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I take ECA and Fish Oil. Out of CLA right now, but will be ordering some soon.

Fish oil doesnt necessarily burn fat itself, but leads to increased fat loss. It's also one of the healthiest fats you can take (up there with Olive oil, CLA, Flax, etc.).

Dont forget ALA with every meal (if you can stand the heartburn).
r-ALA is better but much more expensive.
 
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