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Tatyana said:
I found this and thought this was interesting:

http://www.hptaxis.com/technology_aih.htm


Hypogonadism is a disturbance of HPTA homeostasis. Hypogonadism is inadequate gonadal function, as manifested by deficiencies in spermatogenesis and/or the secretion of testosterone. The definitions of hypogonadism are consistent by using either reproductive capacity, infertility, and/or biochemically by testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels. The confirmation of the state of hypogonadism is exhibited either by reproductive or biochemical parameters.

Laboratory studies are the gateway to a proper diagnosis. The laboratory performing the assay defines the normal reference range for serum sex hormones. Similarly, infertility definitions encompass spermatozoa density, number, and quality. Testosterone is the initial screening laboratory study. Gonadotropins, luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), classify disorder. A total testosterone value <300-ng/dL (10.4-nmol/L) suggests hypogonadism while a total testosterone value <200-ng/dL is highly correlative of hypogonadism.

In primary hypogonadism, the defect is either in the testicles, absent or decreased spermatogenesis and/or the secretion of testosterone with elevated gonadotropin levels. In secondary hypogonadism (hypogonadotropic hypogonadism), the centers in the brain that control the gonads (hypothalamus and pituitary) do not function properly, resulting in absent or decreased spermatogenesis and/or the secretion of testosterone resulting from a decrease in follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and/or luteinizing hormone (LH), respectively.

Hypogonadism is a disease with potentially serious consequences that include but are not limited to adverse body composition changes (decrease muscle mass and increased adiposity), decreased muscle strength, bone loss, increase in cardiovascular risk, adverse psychological effects (depression, low self esteem, guilt, increased stress, and anhedonia), sexual dysfunction (decreased libido, decreased spontaneous erections, decreased ejaculate, erection dysfunction, decreased sexual fantasies, and anorgasmia), decreased cognitive testing, sleep disturbances, infertility, and constitutional symptoms (general fatigue, agitation/motor dyskinesia, and decreased appetite).

Androgen administration or use of GnRH analogues results in a form of induced hypogonadism, functional hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. Androgen, nonsteroidal, administration is currently in the research and investigational stages. These studies indicate that their clinical use will also result in androgen-induced hypogonadism after cessation by their effects on gonadotropin levels.

Androgen induced hypogonadism (AIH) is the functional incompetence of the testes with subnormal or impaired production of testosterone or spermatozoa due to administration of androgens or anabolic steroids. AIH results from an abnormality in the normal functioning of the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis (HPTA), from a negative feedback inhibition of one of the hormone secreting glands, causing a cascading unbalance in the rest of the axis. To date, all compounds classified as androgens whether prescribed clinically or from illicit use cause a negative feedback inhibition of the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis, suppress endogenous gonadotropin secretion, and as a consequence serum testosterone.

Case controlled and observational studies from licit and illicit anabolic/androgen steroid (AAS) administration demonstrate a hypogonadal state after their cessation. AAS, including testosterone, licit and illicit, administration induce a state of hypogonadism that continues after their cessation. This state is present during their administration but typically becomes symptomatic or manifest after AAS cessation.

For over fifty years, published literature demonstrates hypogonadism occurring after AAS cessation (AIH). AIH occurs in one-hundred percent of individuals upon AAS cessation. There is not a single study within the peer-reviewed literature demonstrating an immediate return of HPTA homeostasis upon AAS cessation. AAS, licit and illicit, induce a state of hypogonadism that continues after their cessation. The only variable is the duration and severity of AIH.

Countless publications study the use of testosterone as a male contraceptive agent. The simplistic reason for this is that exogenous administration will cause HPTA suppression, a decrease of sex hormones that includes endogenous testosterone production and the gonadotropins, both follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and/or luteinizing hormone (LH).

The absence of FSH leads to infertility, contraception, or diminished spermatogenesis. This is an induced state of hypogonadism, infertility. The absent or decreased testicular testosterone production is replaced by its external administration. The individual does not experience the adverse effects of hypogonadism secondary to decreased serum testosterone because of exogenous testosterone administration. This does not take away from the fact that the patient is in a state of induced hypogonadism for the express purpose of contraception.

Birth control studies with testosterone administration in physiological as well as subphysiological doses demonstrate HPTA suppression. Studies conducted by World Health Organization have demonstrated complete recovery of the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis (HPTA) after administration of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone for a year. The "complete recovery" referred to is spermatogenesis and not serum testosterone. The median time to recovery to the subject’s own geometric mean baseline sperm concentration is a range of 4.0-13.9 months. Thus, the data from the study affirm that the return of normal spermatogenesis may take over a year.


Male contraception studies with 19-nortestosterone, nandrolone, demonstrate the continued suppression of serum testosterone from control levels for greater than 15 weeks after nandrolone cessation. Other data available from the development of nandrolone decanoate for male contraception indicate that reversal of effects can take more than twelve months after discontinuation of the drugs.

The salient point is that after AAS cessation there is a period of recovery for HPTA normalization of gonadotropins (FSH and LH) and sex hormones (testosterone). This period is of an unknown duration and severity. This period of hypogonadism exposes the individual to the signs and symptoms of hypogonadism, specifically both adverse body composition changes and/or decreased muscle strength. Studies demonstrate the improvements in body composition obtained during AAS administration, are lost after AAS cessation.
Excellent research Tatyana. Demonstrates what we all know that happens, but dont want to know!
 
gjohnson5 said:
Unfortunately where is the profit potential in telling people they can juice for extended periods of time and they bodies will actually adjust to it? Especially when the drugs are illegal?

God , I wanna move to the UK...

the UK or canada. in canada possesion is quasi legal as I understand it.
 
I am not defending Ross in anyway by what I am saying and I am interested in hearing his answers to your questions.

But in all honestly how many of us are truly qualified to give steroid advice? Technically I am not qualified. A close family member of mine who is an MD specializing in reproductive medicine & fertility is even hesitant about giving formal advice when I ask. They take their doctor hat off and put their family member hat on. Why? Even with all the medical training and speciality in the field, the theories, questions, etc. that are flying around about proper steroid use is not backed by long term studies at doses that are being used. Most of this family member's advice is given with "disclaimer" that in their best opinion this should work or based on what I know etc etc. We have to remember that this is merely an entertainment site of sorts where information is shared.

Tatyana said:
You have some interesting ideas about steroids that are generating some interesting and sometimes heated debates.

So thanks for answering my question before about Uni, I now know you went.

My question is, what did you study?

My concern is that all of these recommendations are being made when:

1. You are young and have only been juicing for 4-5 years, so yes you have some experience, but not as much as a lot of the other lads on the board.

2. Do you have any formal qualifications in any of the fields related to human biology or medical studies? Endocrinology?


Experience does count for a lot, however, so does education.

Steroids are some of the most powerful drugs know to humans, and really, when handing out advice, you really are messing with the bit of men that they consider defines them the most, their bollux and their brains.
 
GUARDIAN said:
I am not defending Ross in anyway by what I am saying and I am interested in hearing his answers to your questions.

But in all honestly how many of us are truly qualified to give steroid advice? Technically I am not qualified. A close family member of mine who is an MD specializing in reproductive medicine & fertility is even hesitant about giving formal advice when I ask. They take their doctor hat off and put their family member hat on. Why? Even with all the medical training and speciality in the field, the theories, questions, etc. that are flying around about proper steroid use is not backed by long term studies at doses that are being used. Most of this family member's advice is given with "disclaimer" that in their best opinion this should work or based on what I know etc etc. We have to remember that this is merely an entertainment site of sorts where information is shared.

As steroid are a controlled substance in most countries, and banned as a performance enhancing drug, then there really are not that many experts.

I think a bit of common sense though.

A lot of years of experience, personal and training others is a plus, so is having a scientific background in something related to human biology/biochem/physiology.

The combo of the two, awesome.

People need to do their own research, and while I have met some of the most brilliant people I know in the bodybuilding community, I have also met some who are seriously lacking in the grey matter department (and I have seen them giving out advice).
 
We should make people take a test and write a small steroid essay before giving advice? :)


U r right there seems to be a lack of common sense in some people posting.

Tatyana said:
As steroid are a controlled substance in most countries, and banned as a performance enhancing drug, then there really are not that many experts.

I think a bit of common sense though.

A lot of years of experience, personal and training others is a plus, so is having a scientific background in something related to human biology/biochem/physiology.

The combo of the two, awesome.

People need to do their own research, and while I have met some of the most brilliant people I know in the bodybuilding community, I have also met some who are seriously lacking in the grey matter department (and I have seen them giving out advice).
 
GUARDIAN said:
We should make people take a test and write a small steroid essay before giving advice? :)


U r right there seems to be a lack of common sense in some people posting.

I remember chatting with one young man in the gym, he is one of my every now and then training buddies.

He had been studying all the steroids.

He said he knew everything, so I asked him what I thought was a few basic questions like:

1. What steroid hormones are naturally occurring in your body?

2. Where do the sex steroid hormones come from/how are they produced/where are they produced?

3. What is the basic signalling pathway for sex steroids? Where is the receptor for sex steroids?

He didn't know.

I also remember after I got my copy of Anabolics 2006 and read the introduction, and my first thoughts were, 'Most of the lads are not doing any research, cause if they read these 10-12 pages, probably 75% of their questions on BBing forums would be answered'.

I am not sure what it is

-if people just don't know where to look

- if they don't really know how to do research

- if they are lazy

- if they don't have any basic understanding of human biology

- if they just can't be bothered

- some of you lads are just too fantastic, knowledgeable and helpful :)
 
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