The Only SANE Way To Burn Fat

[MR Pink]

M,

Can you tell me at what stage the overal cancer research is at this moment...and when do you think there is gonna be a good cure for cancer, in years speaking?

Mr Pink

 

[Nelson Montana]

yes but i do not trust anybody. i like mixing my own stuff. at least i know what is inside.
u gotta agree with me on this one.

You don't trust anyone to put the ingredients in the caps. (???) Why do you trust that they're sending you the right stuff?


cl: I'll never understand why people defend products that have been shown to be possibly dangerous. At least you'll see some results from steroids.. Is forskolin really worth it? And yes, biotest started a bunch of soy paranoia, but tofu is estrogenic.


Dr. M According to James Watson (of DNA fame) cancer is curable, but the funding for it isn't feasable. (About 2.5 billion dollars a year more than they get now ) No company is willing to trust a scientist of group of scientists with that much money. (So in a sense the money spent yearly on rap albums could cure cancer. Or, the money spent on bombing Iraq, could have cured cancer) Of course, if our idiotic government officials would just allow stem cell research we'd probably see a cure within 10 years. But....don't get me started.

Good luck with your aspirations. It's a noble cause.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Interesting theories on this topic Nelson. So far I follow you.

 

[Ulter]

Cancer is a 40 Billion dollar a year industry in the US. Many companies taking in that money see no reason for a cure. I know it's sick but that's the way of the world.

DrM, You might want to investigate R+ Lipoic Acid's ability to inhibit transciption factor NF KappaB. Dr Bruce Ames, (see: Ames Index), is working at Children's Hospital in San Francisco and has the whole 5th floor devoted to his cancer research. His staff is currently working with R+. So is the UCLA school of Pharmacology with Dr Lester Packer and Dr Wang. I don't know if they will beat the gene people to the cure but their papers are pretty interesting.

 

[bigrand]

Im not sure if you can find a blanket cure for cancer. There are too many different mutations in different tissues of the body. What would be better would be to isolate mutations and work on only those malignancies, one at a time. I think NF kappa B is only one mutation that can be looked at.....other malignancies have an extreme overexpression of things such as FAS or COX-2, others with mutated kRAS or P53 genes....the list goes on and on. I think the best way to fight cancer would be to look at their uniqueness........cancer cells are cancer cells for a reason....they have some sort of specific mutation that makes them differ from all other cells.....focus on those differences.

 

[Dr. M]

Nelson - thanks bro. Appreciated.

Regarding the "cure":

Cancer is as unique as the people who suffer from it. There won't ever be a blanket "cure for cancer" which you can take in the morning for all cancers everywhere. I think we need to start small, with something like testicular cancer (not all that aggressive in its initial stages) and really help ourselves better understand what gives rise to these cancerous processes.

Problem with cancer is that it's our own cells doing their own thing at their own rate... you can stop cellular division in the body, sure, but it'll kill the rest of you too.

My ideal would be a rapidly-developed, patient-specific immuno-targeted therapy which would be specific to the cells in question. So, our job as researchers (in my mind) is to find ways to abate the onslaught right now (R+ALA has been mentioned, and I agree that the work is excellent), and perhaps find a better way to administer things like TNFalpha directly to the site of a tumour (this wouldn't work for things like leukemia, of course), while still trying to fight our way through to the source and cutting off the driving force of these cells by telling them to stop dividing.

I don't care if it's me personally who succeeds, but if others can stand on my shoulders and see the end of the search from higher and closer than they ever have before, I'll die a happy man.

Oh, and having enough money that I'll be comfortable doesn't hurt either.
-M

 

[bigrand]

Yep, there is something that can be done, we just need to find it.

 

[Frackal]

Re: Re: The Only SANE Way To Burn Fat

their thyroid raising abilities may be in dispute as with most supps that purport to do so.

hehe

 

[collegiateLifter]

cl: I'll never understand why people defend products that have been shown to be possibly dangerous. At least you'll see some results from steroids.. Is forskolin really worth it? And yes, biotest started a bunch of soy paranoia, but tofu is estrogenic.

I'm not defending it per say; I've never used Forskolin. To me, the logic is what i don't like. It reeks very much of those that say ooooh you're eating too much protein therefore you're doing damage to your kidneys.

 

[MR Pink]

A while ago I had seen a programm about cancer at the discovery channel and there was a stuff they extracted from sharks that isolated the cancer and stopped the nutrient and blood flow...anybody else seen it?.....was very interesting


From a fatburner topic to a cancer topic....wow

Mr Pink