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The old boxing v MMA debate

And please explain how MMA is boring when it usually ends in something(KO, TKO, Submission)most times. I'm not watching for a judges decision...

That dosen't alaways happen like wrestlers don't always win by pin, boxer by ko, kickboxer by kicks, and bjj player by subs. It varies by styles of the figthers. Ko's are happening all the time in boxing but going the distance happens as well. MMA has it too. Let's not get confused.
 
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not sure it's about jealousy bro.....we all know the legacy of boxing, which is "precisely" why it's so disappointing now. The warriors are gone from that sport.

Haven't had a chance to read any other replies yet so may reply later but had to laugh at this. Pacquaio is perhaps the fighter ith the best warrior mentality that boxing has had for many years. Did anyone see the Carl Froch v Kessler fight the over night? Tell me that was boring.
 
and where all these stars ready to step in? I suspect that alot of kids training today in boxing will eventually use that training as a springboard into MMA, which I think the writing is on the wall for being the future of combat sports. I love the notion of boxing or "standup" fighting in general.....I just think that pure boxers are too specialized anymore and that makes for ever increasingly boring fights. Boxing needs an infuse of skilled brawlers who can bang for more than two rounds. They get that and maybe it's a relevant sport again. The money that's still in boxing is simply left over good will and an entrenched infrastructure in vegas that doesn't like these new MMA upstarts that think they can control their own brand. Letting the inmates run the asylum was the worst thing that boxing ever did.

LOL at this too. How can someone who BLATANTLY doesn't watch much boxing argue about the lack of talent coming through? I could be here all night boring you with names you don't know about.
 
There is more money in boxing for the fighters, and there is a deeper talent pool in boxing....those are facts. Those facts lead to the conclusion that it is more difficult to succeed in boxing than it is in mma. sure, in mma you do all disciplines of fighting and whatnot. but the talent pool is shallow in comparison, the level of competition is not as high - and those are the key elements that determine the difficulty of competing in a sport. mma is simply not developed enough to be more difficult to compete in than boxing right now.
To say mma is tougher JUST because it is more varied is flawed. that's like saying being a jack of all trades is more difficult than being a master of one - that's not necessarily the case. The fact that high school teachers, WWE wrestlers, engineers can just leave their occupation and compete in mma at the highest level within a just a few years (after their physical prime btw) is TELLING. Training in boxing is more difficult because boxing isnt a natural thing. When someone throws a punch, based purely on instinct people put their hands up, they try to walk or move out of distance, they try to grab the hands of the person throwing the punch. What separates one great boxer from another is often intangible things that you cant train or teach like heart, mettle, chin. The action takes place in a very confined space with a limited number of techniques one can use in the ring. Great boxers are trained to do the unnatural at an instinctive level. Watch someone like Floyd slip and counter a punch - that isnt natural. To stand ones ground and understand the distance and timing to not get hit while throwing a counter can only come with years of repetition to the point where it becomes instinctual.

MMA as a sport in general, to contrast with boxing, is more often a sport about exploiting the weaknesses of your opponents game. A fighter with a background in wrestling often wont look to engage in standup with a guy who has a background in kickboxing. He takes the fight to the ground and tries to exploit the perceived weakness of his opponent. Rarely do intangibles like heart and mettle come into play because rarely will you find in MMA a fight that is a war of attrition. Often fans see very early in fights who will win and who will lose because they can see where a fight will go and who holds a distinct advantage over who in a specific aspect of the game. Doesnt mean thats always the case since the small gloves and quick subs can change all that, but more often than not people can see who will win a fight based on these advantages going in. In the end these are facts, truth, and reality. You can't ignore what is really real and what isn't. Fans of mmma need to worry about there own sport and stop hating on a sport that has already stamped it's mark in history and popularity around the work has been established.


Damn you put that well.
 
Haven't had a chance to read any other replies yet so may reply later but had to laugh at this. Pacquaio is perhaps the fighter ith the best warrior mentality that boxing has had for many years. Did anyone see the Carl Froch v Kessler fight the over night? Tell me that was boring.

froch is a brawler i agree. but 9-10 people dont know who the fuck he is. the odds could be even worse. i know who he is bc i stay up to 2am all the time and catch is fights on replay when im bored.

thats the point. there are no superstars left. no fans. people dont have to be fans to recognize randy couture, chuck liddel, tito ortiz, bj penn, gsp, forrest griffin, ramage, ect..

all todays general public could say is ali, tyson, mayweather, pac man.
 
As I stated before, when the boxers wanna take their padded gloves off and stop hugging for 12 rounds and we get someone like Tyson in his prime back, MAYBE people will start caring again.
 
froch is a brawler i agree. but 9-10 people dont know who the fuck he is. the odds could be even worse. i know who he is bc i stay up to 2am all the time and catch is fights on replay when im bored.

thats the point. there are no superstars left. no fans. people dont have to be fans to recognize randy couture, chuck liddel, tito ortiz, bj penn, gsp, forrest griffin, ramage, ect..

all todays general public could say is ali, tyson, mayweather, pac man.

Sorry but this post just doesn't add up.

First things first: MMA has never and had and probably will never have a name that can compare with the popularity of an Ali and Tyson. Those names are known on a global scale in fact you must have been living on a different planet if you haven't heard of them. Kids in remote villages somewhere know who those guys are.

Now I can pretty much guarantee that in the UK (where MMA has some popularity), the average person on the street has no idea who any of those MMA names that you just mentioned are. MMA fans obviously will have and the more casual fans have probably heard or Lidell, Ortiz, Lesnar (due to WWE) and maybe one or two others.

Now onto the boxers. I mentioned Froch as a response to the comments that there are no warriors/exciting fights and that happened just over a week ago so it is fresh in my mind. Froch has not been well promoted so he doesn't get much attention despite being a good fighter. He kinda lives in the shadow of Calzaghe here. Then we have David Haye - I washed his most recent fight against a washed up Ruiz in the casino a month or so ago and have never seen the place so packed out. David Haye is a HUGE puncher and a very exciting fighter to watch. Far more popular already over here than any MMA fighter. Then we have Amir Khan who is also well promoted and very exciting to watch due to his speed, power and also his slightly weak chin.

What I'm saying is not to be fooled into thinking that these American MMA fighters are that popular on a global scale. You say the average person on the street would only be able to mention Ali, Tyson, Mayweather and Pac but certianly over here that is at least 3, probably 4 more than MMA. Maybe it's different in the US but until an MMA fighter earns even 1/10 of what Mayweather and Pacquiao earn then I'm struggling.

Don't get me wrong, I still like SOME MMA and it has been marketed VERY WELL to its target audience but my posts are a response to idiots like Joe Rogan who claim 'boxing is dead' despite all the facts. It's like having short man syndrome.
 
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