Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Been on Letro for a few weeks and the last 3 days added 30mg Nolva ED along with 2.5mg e3d of Letro. Needto and I decided to throw in some Monsterdrol (was planning on doing a cycle of it anyways) to see if it would help at all with the Gyno rebound. Today was day one of said experiment. Took 3 caps of Monsterdrol in the AM and took 3 caps right before my workout. So far so good. Nothing crazy to report yet.
The Needto Experiment...
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needtogetaas
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6 caps right out the gate? wtf that is a lot bro. Drop that shit back to 3 at the most.
needtogetaas
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Fuck I never went above 4.
Yikes, well, I trust your judgement.
4 is fine for starting out. it's only 20mg. it is fine at that dose. 30mg is not very extreme at all. needto likes his injectables and is very cautious of his oral use. A good trait, but going at 30mg isn't "too much" IMO. I'll be starting at 30mg and moving to 40mg if I don't get sides.
I'm going to run 3ed for a week then switch to 4ed for the rest of the cycle.
needtogetaas
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I got a couple of dizzy spells at 4 a day. Its not the liver I am thinking about mostly its the bp. Been using for a long time and I know when a product or aas raises the bp.
Also I have another member in my program who is using the product and he has got some bp headaches when going over the 4 pills ed.
He is dealing with a gyno problem as is. No need to throw a bp problem in the mix as well.
True, you have to watch yourself. I don't really get many sides from anything. I am on anadrol right now, and everyone was saying how it is going to suck ass and be unbearable and all this other garbage which scared me out of even considering it. I thank alcatraz for talking me into it, because this shit is off the hook and I have no side of any concern to my health.
Genetics play a role in how you respond, and also your overall physical fitness plays a role as well. Someone who is fairly lean won't react with such bad blood pressure problems as someone who has high BF. Extra body weight in itself promotes high blood pressure and other complications that extra weight brings.
Everyone needs to monitor themselves while they are on. If you don't see any issue of concern, it is safe to increase the dose. Once the side effects become too much, you know you have hit your limit. Also, a higher dose is not even necessary if you are making great progress anyway.
needtogetaas
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Whats your take on the real subject of the thread though. DHT for gyno control? Monsterdrol is a dht derivative. Lets ee if this baby can do what the other dht derivatives can do.
If he is trying to control gyno, I think a proven approach, (letro and nolva like he is doing) is the way to go.
The addition of the monsterdrol may go unnoticed in terms of gyno control with what he is taking.
To really prove monsterdrol has the same effect as masteron and proviron with estro-control, he would really need to be runnning it solo and have hormone panels taken every other day. Though, that is a stupid idea because he doesn't want it to fail and have bitch tits either, which is probably what would happen too.
I don't see monsterdrol adding to the problem at all, but i wouldn't bank on it positively helping to the point of using it as a gyno control.
guess what I am saying is, I wouldn't use methenolone, drostanolone or methyldrostanolone for gyno control.
In conjuction with letro and nolva, sure it may have added benefit but it is impossible to know at what level and effectiveness it realy has unless use by itself and with blood tests.
needtogetaas
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maaaaa shut up. Anyway I have been working with him. He has been taking the letro and nolva for a bit now. Lumps gone down but I feel dht can be used as a effective additive to the things he is on now.
I will have to get pp in here later this week. He is big on dht for gyno and I bet he could really touch up on the subject.
needtogetaas
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DHT has been used in several case reports and controlled trials to successfully treat gynecomastia
masteron was originally used for breast cancer treatment and breast tissue reduction. Guess what else was? Yup, nolva and letro. So, indeed your theory has ground. The addition of the methyl group for oral availability does alter the drugs behavior, so that was where my doubt was given the lack of clinical studies on the superdrol compound.
needtogetaas
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lowered DHT levels resulting from endogenous testosterone suppression may contribute to gyno. He is having a rebound effect after a cycle so this could also be a factor and another reason for using the drol.
Studies have shown that DHT can actually block estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor in mammary tissue. DHT also is an aromatase inhibitor. Even more interesting is the fact that transdermal DHT cream has been used successfully to treat gyno .
It may be that the estrogen/DHT ratio is a factor in rebound estro. I mean did you know that gyno is occasionally reported as a side effect of finasteride treatment even though estrogen levels in these patients are typically normal. Why? It would seem to me that not only the test to estrogen ratio is a factor at play during estrogen rebound after a cycle.
I think that dht to estrogen ratio also is a factor.
Studies have shown that DHT can actually block estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor in mammary tissue. DHT also is an aromatase inhibitor. Even more interesting is the fact that transdermal DHT cream has been used successfully to treat gyno .
It may be that the estrogen/DHT ratio is a factor in rebound estro. I mean did you know that gyno is occasionally reported as a side effect of finasteride treatment even though estrogen levels in these patients are typically normal. Why? It would seem to me that not only the test to estrogen ratio is a factor at play during estrogen rebound after a cycle.
I think that dht to estrogen ratio also is a factor.
needtogetaas
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Well of course bro.
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4-6 should be the dose range. Definitely start on the lower end of the spectrum though lol.
Yeah.... starting at the lower end indeed.
Please keep this thread updated. I have an issue with gyno and Im also waiting on my Letro and Nolva. AND....I just happen to have a bottle of Monsterdrol in my closet.
Definitely will do bro. Day 2 and I'm feeling good. Feeling stronger in the gym too... Nipple is feeling about the same as yesterday. See how I'm feeling after my workout tonight.
Day 4...
Just took my 30mg of Nolva and 2.5mg of Letro. Along with my 2 caps in the AM of Monsterdrol. Lump is almost completely gone, my *AGGRESSION* is through the roof right now (thanks Monsterdrol) and my workouts have been amazing. So far, Monsterdrol is living up to its name.
Just took my 30mg of Nolva and 2.5mg of Letro. Along with my 2 caps in the AM of Monsterdrol. Lump is almost completely gone, my *AGGRESSION* is through the roof right now (thanks Monsterdrol) and my workouts have been amazing. So far, Monsterdrol is living up to its name.
needtogetaas
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Perfect good yo hear bro. Soon you should drop the letro keep up with the nolva for a wile then drop that as well. Then just keep going with the monsterdol. We will see what happens though.
No problem bro... this is some scary shit. If I can help in anyway I can, I will!
needtogetaas
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Ran 4 miles today.... took 3 LipoFlames before I ran and I must say... I've never shit so good after a run before.. I swear I emptied all the contents of my intestines. Thank you OMEGA!
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DasWolf
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Elvis died on the toilet jock. When you were done did you say "thank you...thank you very much"?
Day 7
Took 2.5mg Letro and 20mg Nolva. I also took my caps of Monsterdrol. Had a pretty intense workout today involving lots of pullups. They were super easy and my fatigue factor was almost non-existent. Not to mention I had a pretty good pump going. As for the nipple, sensitivity is back to normal but there is still a little bit of lump left. Not much though. So far so good!
Took 2.5mg Letro and 20mg Nolva. I also took my caps of Monsterdrol. Had a pretty intense workout today involving lots of pullups. They were super easy and my fatigue factor was almost non-existent. Not to mention I had a pretty good pump going. As for the nipple, sensitivity is back to normal but there is still a little bit of lump left. Not much though. So far so good!
Day 11
Strength has increased dramatically. Body is starting to harden and become real lean even though I'm intaking a good amount of calories. Still eating fairly clean though. Lump underneath the nipple hasn't made much improvement, but I have my pill form Letro coming, so hopefully that will be the extra push I need to get rid of it. Sorry for not updating more.... been super busy with military crap and the ladies. I'll try to get some pictures up soon.
Strength has increased dramatically. Body is starting to harden and become real lean even though I'm intaking a good amount of calories. Still eating fairly clean though. Lump underneath the nipple hasn't made much improvement, but I have my pill form Letro coming, so hopefully that will be the extra push I need to get rid of it. Sorry for not updating more.... been super busy with military crap and the ladies. I'll try to get some pictures up soon.
Cardinal Slin
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Not read the other posts before so may have already been said but are you using the nolva/letro to prevent gyno, keep water down?
A bit confused but 2.5mg of letro every third day is shit loads. I get away with a quarter of that every second or third day
A bit confused but 2.5mg of letro every third day is shit loads. I get away with a quarter of that every second or third day
Not to prevent gyno, actually combating a minor lump underneath my left nipple.
needtogetaas
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needtogetaas
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tinypic.com bro.
needtogetaas
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It will let you upload a photo and then give you a code that lets you post the full pick on the forums. Try it
Things overall are going great. I feel much fuller and very dry with Monsterdrol. I will get some pics as soon as I can, but I'm very impressed with the stuff.
DasWolf
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Im on letro 2.5mg eod its been almost a week and mylump is gone.
So is the feeling of shit growing inside my pecs. You know that tingling feeling? Gone. Im real happy with the way things are going. Props to My good Bro Needto...for all his help!!
Cardinal Slin
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That started while on this cycle or that has been there before?
needtogetaas
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Thanks bro.
Day 13..
It happened before the cycle. I'm confident when I get the pill form Letro this lump is gonna disappear for good. Also, I had to drop the dosage of the Monsterdrol down from 4 caps a day to 2. I was experiencing kidney pain along with headaches all day. Not to mention I had a urine test done and had a significant amount of protein in my urine. Other than that, this stuff is 100% amazing.
needtogetaas
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I have also dropped my dose down to 2 caps for this time around. I know it will still work fine.
I think 2 should be fine for me. The gains have been very lean and dry and I'm loving it. Should be easy to keep them!
Day 16...
Lump under left nipple is almost all gone. Quite impressed actually. I can barely feel it. As for the workouts, simply put, amazing. Cardio'ing with Monsterdrol is kind of tough though. I'm not sure what it is, but my calves keep tightening up. Could this be caused by the Monsterdrol's effect on the muscle? Anyone else have this problem? Other than the cardio, the Monsterdrol is giving me great pumps in the gym and a nice strength boost.
Lump under left nipple is almost all gone. Quite impressed actually. I can barely feel it. As for the workouts, simply put, amazing. Cardio'ing with Monsterdrol is kind of tough though. I'm not sure what it is, but my calves keep tightening up. Could this be caused by the Monsterdrol's effect on the muscle? Anyone else have this problem? Other than the cardio, the Monsterdrol is giving me great pumps in the gym and a nice strength boost.
needtogetaas
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Bro dring some more water and get some more potassium in you. You can take a pill but eating a banana or a orange about an hour before work outs works well.
needtogetaas
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O and (takes a bow gracefully) lol
needtogetaas
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Man I see people pushing it more and more with this monsterdrol and I have to say I do not like it. 6 weeks max if you ask me. 4 pills ed max IMO. Even then You need to run a liver sup. Lets keep it safe guys.
I eat a banana before and after. And I drink plenty of water throughout the day. I'll drink even more water and see what happens.
needtogetaas
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No I think you are doing all you can do then bro.
We need to now start dropping the dose of the ai's and what ever. Lets get in a pm and work this out.
Day 20...
Dropped the Nolva and am taking 2.5mg of Letro e3d along with 2 caps of Monsterdrol daily. Lump is almost completely gone. Workouts are still amazing and I can definitely tell there is more definition and no bloat at all. Monsterdrol is some good stuff. As for the diet, it is not the most consistent because I'm on a military base living in a barracks, so I have no kitchen which leaves me eating galley food (I get money taken out of my paycheck so I eat it), but I am picky about what I eat at the galley. I usually stick to cottage cheese and peanut butter a lot. For instance, today for breakfast, I had a glass of OJ, 2 packets of instant oatmeal, bowl of cottage cheese, and 2 pieces of bacon. Then for lunch is was BBQ beef sandwich, cottage cheese, glass of milk and a piece of bread with peanut butter on it.
Dropped the Nolva and am taking 2.5mg of Letro e3d along with 2 caps of Monsterdrol daily. Lump is almost completely gone. Workouts are still amazing and I can definitely tell there is more definition and no bloat at all. Monsterdrol is some good stuff. As for the diet, it is not the most consistent because I'm on a military base living in a barracks, so I have no kitchen which leaves me eating galley food (I get money taken out of my paycheck so I eat it), but I am picky about what I eat at the galley. I usually stick to cottage cheese and peanut butter a lot. For instance, today for breakfast, I had a glass of OJ, 2 packets of instant oatmeal, bowl of cottage cheese, and 2 pieces of bacon. Then for lunch is was BBQ beef sandwich, cottage cheese, glass of milk and a piece of bread with peanut butter on it.
rediculus
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dude don't miss out on the eggs. man when I was with 1st and the 5th INF 25 INF Div...My cooks LOVED Me I got triple egg omlets like mad. Eggs and ham is still some good protien and all in all you are probably fairly active in your daily life so the added fats in the eggs etc shouldn't be harmfull at all and may increase your results. my .02 because I really miss those omlets.
Oh, forgot to mention I eat two hard boiled eggs in the AM. Thats all they give me!!!! I do stay fairly active and the cardio we do doesn't exactly help with building mass either.
rediculus
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Just more reason to eat more of the greasy stuff bro. I didn't lose an ounce of muscle running 5-10 miles a day. Omelet tres fro marge...I think? whatever 3 egg omlets Oh ya
3 patties on my cheeseburger at lunch!!!!! Fuckin FT lewis 1st and the 5th show cooks keepin their boys FED!!! Damn that shit was good...With potatoes and Ooh now I am hungry..
3 patties on my cheeseburger at lunch!!!!! Fuckin FT lewis 1st and the 5th show cooks keepin their boys FED!!! Damn that shit was good...With potatoes and Ooh now I am hungry..
Haha, greasy stuff messes up my stomach pretty good. I try to stear clear of it. I don't do too bad with what I eat right now, I just wish they'd give us bigger portions.
needtogetaas
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I think he may have moved the log over to the (mycycles ) forum. In fact yes I know he did. Updates are over in that forum bro.
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