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The Importance Of Steroids

Nelson Montana

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What makes the biggest diffference in transforming your physique? They used to say that diet was 75% of your results but I've questioned that from way back. Nobody ever became muscular from eating well. And look at guys in prison. Some of them are jacked -- and they eat slop.

You can't discount food (especially protein) but it's more the training that is a factor. Obviously, drugs help that. But how?

I don't mean to sound didactic, but I get the feeling a lot of people don't really understand how steroids work. Forget all the molecular, chemical claptrap. They do essentially 3 things.

1)...Repair and grow muscle tissue broken down through intense exercise.

2)... Increase blood and water volume thus increasing the size and strength of the muscles.

3)...Utilize and recirculate nitrogen (protein) in order to build more muscle tissue.


So what do people do?


1...Don't train hard enough to sufficient stress and break down muscle fibers.

2...Take more drugs to reduce "bloat."

3...Cut calories in an effort to stay lean.

In other words -- everything that works against the purpose of using drugs in the first place.

Is it any wonder guys are using a gram and a half to look like someone who's been going to Bally's for a couple of months?

And by the way: You're in an anabolic environment FROM DAY ONE when using anabolics. I get the feeling guys are sitting around with their thumb up their ass for 6 weeks waiting for the gear to "kick in." IT'S IN!!! Get to work!


At their best, steroids can give you an extra 10% advantage. That's pretty good. But training half assed and getting that extra 10% will leave you with less gains than if you trained harder and used nothing. Doubling the dosage will not give you an extra 10%. Double the weight. Double the sets.

Now, in the past I've spoken out against the supplement industry. I know how they work. In a lot of ways they're worse than ever but there have also been huge advancements among serious researchers and developers. Whereas in the past, supps would give, let's say a 1 or 2% advantage (not worth it when you can get 100 dianabol for twenty bucks at any gym), today there are supps that can give a 5-6% advantage. That's pretty good. And a waste not to use.

My approach to supplement design was to create products that not only gave an advantage, but an advantage to the guy USING GEAR. Obviously that's a hard sell. But I believe there's a market for it.

Now check it out.

Imagine making the most of ALL the available options? You'd be amazed.

And just for fun...

Look at some of these guys. Sure, they had great genetics. But even so.

This guy used half the gear that most of the members use. How's he compare? http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Nubret,+Serge


Totally natural. Age 50. Big believer in supplements and one of the first proponents of mega dosing nutrients. http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/f_260.jpg


Comparison of two guys from different generations with unwordly genetics. One claims to use less than a gram. The other used 25 mgs of dbola a day.

http://ironage.us/virtual/arms.jpg


I can hear it now...

"BUT I DON"T HAVE THOSE GENETICS!!!"

Well, you know what -- if you don't have them, more gear won't make that much of a difference. I noticed that right away with bodyparts that were hard to develop. On gear, my chest (always a good responder) blew up like crazy. Yet my calves (which always sucked) still didn't grow all that well.

Back to the original point. Ten percent. That's all you get.

It's time to get the ratio back in order.

TRAINING FIRST.

DIET AND SUPPLEMENTS TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE TRAINING.

STEROIDS -- for the extra 10%.

I know some guys will never get this message. And many others already know it. But there are always new comers to the game and to the dark side. They should know what they're getting into. And they should know the best way to get there.
 
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Your entitled to your opinion, but it is subjective. I do agree about the training. Most just do not train as hard as they can. However on the flip side I train to hard and injuries are killing my gains.
 
glover said:
Your entitled to your opinion, but it is subjective. I do agree about the training. Most just do not train as hard as they can. However on the flip side I train to hard and injuries are killing my gains.
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All opinions are subjective..."objective opinions" are known as facts, I believe....

It's not necessarily training harder, but smarter. I worked with Ms. New Jersey (figure) for the last 8 weeks of her prep...I cut her time in the gym from 5 days to four, and from an hour and a half each session to 45 minutes...I halved her training time, and she took first place in her contest!

From my article on her:

It was also at week eight that I took over writing her workouts, and began taking more of a heavy hand in helping her. Her five weekly hour and a half weight training sessions were changed to four weekly sessions, each lasting no more than forty-five minutes. Lower body was trained two times a week as was upper body, and I replaced all of her machine movements with free weights. We stopped thinking "bodybuilder" on lower body days and started thinking "rap video."

(Full article about her and her training: http://www.t-nation.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-104-feature.html)

She worked out smarter, not harder.

On the other hand, I'm of the staunch opinion that if you have been lifting/training/playing for years and never been injured, you're a total pussy.

And how stupid are the workouts I see on the internet? Basically, I could write a better workout using a Ouija Board or flipping a fucking coin.
 
I agree with the training, eating and supplement part but the gear part I don't. It's true, more is not always better but more(more food, gear and supps) are what differenciate todays bodybuilders with the past. I just can't believe a pro doing uder a gram a week or 25mg of D-bol a day. That's a lie, peroid. I can uderstand someone not wanting to make themselves look bad for using more but that's the role of the game. You mentioned that some would say I don't have genetics like that and it's true for many. Genetic make-up and physiological make-up play huge roles in the way a person looks whether on gear or not. My take is eat, train, supp and gear tailored to ones desire= desired look.
 
But even then...there should only be about 250 people in the world doing the kinds of doses we see here daily...

(Im saying the people doing the grams and grams a week ought to logically be the top 100 professionals - the still competing ones, in other words- and the top 150 amateurs, i.e. the people who have a chance in hell of being professional)

Instead, every other "bro" is doing 2 grams a week...Brotastic!
 
Prisoners may eat slop but the government is required to give them a well balanced meal and the bigger ftard bullies take food from the weak to get more calories much like an MRE in the military. Some of them might look and taste like ass to some (I always liked them) but each one contains a 3000 calorie well balanced diet. I often wished I was still in while bulking I would be eating them daily.

Also I can not be convinced that at least a daily vitamin is not promoted by everyone. It could take just one missing vitamin and/or mineral to severly retard the sythesis of protien to muscle. Hence not drin king on cycle. It depletes so many important vitamins and minerals necessary for such synthesis as apposed to the theory its just harming your liver more! well maybe so but thats not the only reason.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
But even then...there should only be about 250 people in the world doing the kinds of doses we see here daily...

(Im saying the people doing the grams and grams a week ought to logically be the top 100 professionals - the still competing ones, in other words- and the top 150 amateurs, i.e. the people who have a chance in hell of being professional)

Instead, every other "bro" is doing 2 grams a week...Brotastic!
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And thats a good thing for you!
 
CO B-man said:
Prisoners may eat slop but the government is required to give them a well balanced meal and the bigger ftard bullies take food from the weak to get more calories much like an MRE in the military.
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Been to prison?

I have.

Don't talk about what you don't know shit about.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Been to prison?

I have.

Don't talk about what you don't know shit about.
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Why you do it and you even published some.

You were in prison in another country per your words only ecstasy head!

Should have been in the U.S.

My bad you publish a book so you are an expert right. Did you ever read the book a thousand little needles. He was found out to be a fraud too. Remember Crazy Eddy whose prices were insane. He too was thought of an excellent businessman until he was found out he was a fraud too. You started this jackass! There are more threads and blogs out there about what a n idiot you are and all we here from you is I, I, me , me I published, I know this guy, sounds like an insecurity problem to me.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Been to prison?

I have.

Don't talk about what you don't know shit about.
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The things you are proud of is beyond my capacity. Plagerizing, going to prison. According to you and your years of authoring you were writing books when you were 18. Who in their right mind would listen to an 18 year know it all. You are only 29 (And act younger than that even) . Your book I believe was published by the time you were 27 and two of those years you were in prison. So between the time you were 18-27 you had maybe 5 years to be an expert sterroid guru? PPFFFFffffffffffffft!
 
solidspine said:
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Are you saying what I wrote is obvious? Then why do I see examples of the opposite behavior all the time?

If you're going to flame me at every turn at least try to pick a position from which there's a point to be made.



Incidentally...

Yes, correct training matters in regard to getting the most out of it. But I think most guys undertrain -- more in regard to intensity than duration.

I see no reason why Larry Scott would lie about his dosages. He's a mormon! He could easily choose not to speak about it at all.

As for Lee Priest, he is a freak -- able to go from fat to ripped in no time. I believe it doesn't happen because he takes more drugs than everybody else.

Again, everybody has to do what they feel is best. But why not make the most of it?
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i am not trying to walk into the middle of a battle, or even a dispute, but i have to cause i know for a fact co b man is right about the prison food at least in the united states.. and the military too as i did my time in the service and without going into too much detail i have been in a prison or 2 well actually 3 [ but commited no crime.. ]
there is a guildline set for the amount of carbs protien and total cals a day, granted its high carb to fill the calorie quota, but check in most prison cells you will see they are allowed food in cells bagged tuna- precooked sausage-- and anything else high in protien you can think of..
 
Nelson Montana said:
What makes the biggest diffference in transforming your physique? They used to say that diet was 75% of your results but I've questioned that from way back. Nobody ever became muscular from eating well. And look at guys in prison. Some of them are jacked -- and they eat slop.

You can't discount food (especially protein) but it's more the training that is a factor. Obviously, drugs help that. But how?

I don't mean to sound didactic, but I get the feeling a lot of people don't really understand how steroids work. Forget all the molecular, chemical claptrap. They do essentially 3 things.

1)...Repair and grow muscle tissue broken down through intense exercise.

2)... Increase blood and water volume thus increasing the size and strength of the muscles.

3)...Utilize and recirculate nitrogen (protein) in order to build more muscle tissue.


So what do people do?


1...Don't train hard enough to sufficient stress and break down muscle fibers.

2...Take more drugs to reduce "bloat."

3...Cut calories in an effort to stay lean.

In other words -- everything that works against the purpose of using drugs in the first place.

Is it any wonder guys are using a gram and a half to look like someone who's been going to Bally's for a couple of months?

And by the way: You're in an anabolic environment FROM DAY ONE when using anabolics. I get the feeling guys are sitting around with their thumb up their ass for 6 weeks waiting for the gear to "kick in." IT'S IN!!! Get to work!


At their best, steroids can give you an extra 10% advantage. That's pretty good. But training half assed and getting that extra 10% will leave you with less gains than if you trained harder and used nothing. Doubling the dosage will not give you an extra 10%. Double the weight. Double the sets.

Now, in the past I've spoken out against the supplement industry. I know how they work. In a lot of ways they're worse than ever but there have also been huge advancements among serious researchers and developers. Whereas in the past, supps would give, let's say a 1 or 2% advantage (not worth it when you can get 100 dianabol for twenty bucks at any gym), today there are supps that can give a 5-6% advantage. That's pretty good. And a waste not to use.

My approach to supplement design was to create products that not only gave an advantage, but an advantage to the guy USING GEAR. Obviously that's a hard sell. But I believe there's a market for it.

Now check it out.

Imagine making the most of ALL the available options? You'd be amazed.

And just for fun...

Look at some of these guys. Sure, they had great genetics. But even so.

This guy used half the gear that most of the members use. How's he compare? http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Nubret,+Serge


Totally natural. Age 50. Big believer in supplements and one of the first proponents of mega dosing nutrients. http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/f_260.jpg


Comparison of two guys from different generations with unwordly genetics. One claims to use less than a gram. The other used 25 mgs of dbola a day.

http://ironage.us/virtual/arms.jpg


I can hear it now...

"BUT I DON"T HAVE THOSE GENETICS!!!"

Well, you know what -- if you don't have them, more gear won't make that much of a difference. I noticed that right away with bodyparts that were hard to develop. On gear, my chest (always a good responder) blew up like crazy. Yet my calves (which always sucked) still didn't grow all that well.

Back to the original point. Ten percent. That's all you get.

It's time to get the ratio back in order.

TRAINING FIRST.

DIET AND SUPPLEMENTS TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE TRAINING.

STEROIDS -- for the extra 10%.

I know some guys will never get this message. And many others already know it. But there are always new comers to the game and to the dark side. They should know what they're getting into. And they should know the best way to get there.
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hey i thought that was a good interesting post its definitely true people take so much juice and they train like fuckin pussies i see it all the time
 
CO B-man said:
The things you are proud of is beyond my capacity. Plagerizing, going to prison. According to you and your years of authoring you were writing books when you were 18. Who in their right mind would listen to an 18 year know it all. You are only 29 (And act younger than that even) . Your book I believe was published by the time you were 27 and two of those years you were in prison. So between the time you were 18-27 you had maybe 5 years to be an expert sterroid guru? PPFFFFffffffffffffft!
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I said I wrote a book at 18? When was that?

I was in prison for two years? Really? Where did you hear that? That's not what I recall...

Two years?

Do you actually know anything about anything you post? Because you're pretty much 100% wrong in everything I just quoted from you (*you got my present age right).
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I said I wrote a book at 18? When was that?

I was in prison for two years? Really? Where did you hear that? That's not what I recall...

Two years?

Do you actually know anything about anything you post? Because you're pretty much 100% wrong in everything I just quoted from you (*you got my present age right).
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You are absolutely right I stand corrected I just found another site that you used to post newbie questions in the year 2002. Remember when you used to post under the name HOOKER? Should I post some of your newbie questions from the year 2002 GREAT one of authors. Sir expert not! Or should I just post links to all the other boards and threads and especially your very funny sarcastic blog dedicated just to you. Both are really quite hilarious. Sorry I gave you way more credabilty than was deserved.

And again because you said it I will have to believe you right? I always believe convicted felons they never lie and are always innocent.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
A. I said I wrote a book at 18? When was that?

B. Do you actually know anything about anything you post?

C. (*you got my present age right).
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A.) According to the amount of years experience you have claimed and given your current age thats what the math equates to

B.) AR = Pot = Black

C.) and the fact you act less than it, and you are an ex-con, and you have an insecurity problem always needing to point out your accomplishments and who you claim to know blah blah blah I dont buy half the shit that comes outta you.
 
CO B-man said:
You are absolutely right I stand corrected I just found another site that you used to post newbie questions in the year 2002. Remember when you used to post under the name HOOKER? Should I post some of your newbie questions from the year 2002 GREAT one of authors. Sir expert not! Or should I just post links to all the other boards and threads and especially your very funny sarcastic blog dedicated just to you. Both are really quite hilarious. Sorry I gave you way more credabilty than was deserved.

And again because you said it I will have to believe you right? I always believe convicted felons they never lie and are always innocent.
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So you claim I was a newbie in 2002...half a decade ago...ok...ummm...great argument...Shit, I didn't know half as much as I know now, but I still knew then 10x more than you ever will.

I'm not a convicted felon, either. You just have no clue. Are you trying to get a 100% rate on having your posts being wrong? What felony was I convicted of? At this point, I think most people are simply laughing because you've gotten all of your "facts" wrong about me.

As for threatening to post some link to some other board or site...that's just sad. Is that the best you got? Your participation on other sites almost got you gone from here already...you sure you want to go down that road with me?
 
CO B-man said:
A.) According to the amount of years experience you have authoring and given your current age thats what mthe math equates to

B.) AR = Pot = Black

C.) and the fact you act less than it, and you are an ex-con, and you have an insecurity problem always needing to point out your accomplishments and who you claim to know blah blah blah I dont buy half the shit that comes outta you.
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A. That's years researching. Learn to read. Nowhere has it ever been claimed that I was an author at 18. Learn to read.

B. Whatever. You're being proven wrong left and right by me. For this much schooling, you should have to pay tuition.

C. I'm not an ex-con....as for pointing out accomplishments, I'm proud of them...and all modesty is false modesty.
 
Who is Anthony Roberts?
Anthony Roberts has studied for the last 15 years how athletes use anabolic steroids to build a perfect physique. He is the author of the book “Anabolic Steroids: Ultimate Research Guide”


Thanks for verifying your current age. Now when we click on the lin k in your signature this IS what it explains about Anthony expert Roberts

According to your current age and the 15 years you have been studying you were 14???? Do you disagree with the math or anything I posted?

I believe every word you say! LMAO!

And I can link your Our Great Expert to when you posted under the name of hooker in the year 2002. Where you asked newbie questions. So in ten years you learned crap
 
Anthony Roberts said:
A. That's years researching. Learn to read. Nowhere has it ever been claimed that I was an author at 18. Learn to read.

B. Whatever. You're being proven wrong left and right by me. For this much schooling, you should have to pay tuition.

C. I'm not an ex-con....as for pointing out accomplishments, I'm proud of them...and all modesty is false modesty.
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I see no proof from you. I did not call you a newbie a half a decade ago is only 5 years of your 15 years of research according to YOUR signature link (Who is proving what????) thats a lousy 1/3 of your total research and yet you asked silly things that in ten years you should have known!!
 
CO B-man said:
Who is Anthony Roberts?
Anthony Roberts has studied for the last 15 years how athletes use anabolic steroids to build a perfect physique. He is the author of the book “Anabolic Steroids: Ultimate Research Guide”


Thanks for verifying your current age. Now when we click on the lin k in your signature this IS what it explains about Anthony expert Roberts

According to your current age and the 15 years you have been studying you were 14???? Do you disagree with the math or anything I posted?

I believe every word you say! LMAO!

And I can link your Our Great Expert to when you posted under the name of hooker in the year 2002. Where you asked newbie questions. So in ten years you learned crap
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I didn't write that...I never even read that....I started reading about steroids when I was 16, not 14 (who cares?), and I bought evey book Duchaine had written, and all of the other ones on the market by the time I was 19. I guess when the marketing people wrote that they messed up my age...I don't write the ad copy or anything for my stuff.

Honestly, whatever I asked 5 years ago was what I wanted to know..I still had read most of the books on the market already and was starting my own research in medical journals. Forget 5 years ago...5 years ago I was a mod on a site which was (still) bigger (now) than the site you are getting all of your crap information about me off...
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Shit, I didn't know half as much as I know now, but I still knew then 10x more than you ever will.

I'm not a convicted felon, either. You just have no clue. Are you trying to get a 100% rate on having your posts being wrong? What felony was I convicted of?

As for threatening to post some link to some other board or site...that's just sad. Is that the best you got? Your participation on other sites almost got you gone from here already...you sure you want to go down that road with me?
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If in ten years according to you here
http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/bodybuilder-anthony-roberts/

You only knew half of what you do now thats prettyy sad!

Dealing Ecstasy you spent time in New Zealand prison. You want to lie that was straight from you, from your words but you conveniently deleted that from your thread from the forum you posted it in.

Dude dont threaten me. Tough guy! Stand up for yourself with words dont hide under the threat of a ban that is just childish, but you are AR and thats what I expected!!

More people in here have dogged you than anything else! I hardly think anyone who has half a brain see proof that you have shown by just saying it is not true.
 
CO B-man said:
I see no proof from you. I did not call you a newbie a half a decade ago is only 5 years of your 15 years of research according to YOUR signature link (Who is proving what????) thats a lousy 1/3 of your total research and yet you asked silly things that in ten years you should have known!!
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Post one of those silly things, just so I know wtf you are talking about.

Also..keep in mind, I learned most of what I knew when I read medical textbooks and studies while in prison...after I was out of prison, I was published in just over a year. Then after I was published I had all day to read about steroids, because it became my job...the learning curve goes up when you go from amateur to professional. You wouldn't know that though...you're too busy following macrophallus and ulcer and listening to everything that they have to say about me that you don't have the need for an original thought. You're their puppet, saying what they tell you to say....it's obvious to everyone...

You'll likely end up with them, not here...if you go down their road. I told them that also....but they didn't listen.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I didn't write that...I never even read that

I started reading about steroids when I was 16, not 14 (who cares?), and I bought evey book Duchaine had written, and all of the other ones on the market by the time I was 19. I guess when the marketing people wrote that they messed up my age...I don't write the ad copy or anything for my stuff.

Honestly, whatever I asked 5 years ago was what I wanted to know..I still had read most of the books on the market already and was starting my own research in medical journals. Forget 5 years ago...5 years ago I was a mod on a site which was (still) bigger (now) than the site you are getting all of your crap information about me off...
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As an author I would expect you would proof read something that could get you in trouble for FALSE ADVERTISING but that would be too convenient and an excon would more than likely over look that for such convenience and OF COURSE blame someone else

THere you have it. You are an expert cause you read books and plageurized and since then there have been absolutely no scientific advances!!

And another I statement I was a mod on a blah who gives a shit you are still just AR!!
 
CO B-man said:
If in ten years according to you here
http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/bodybuilder-anthony-roberts/

You only knew half of what you do now thats prettyy sad!

Dealing Ecstasy you spent time in New Zealand prison. You want to lie that was straight from you, from your words but you conveniently deleted that from your thread from the forum you posted it in.

Dude dont threaten me. Tough guy! Stand up for yourself with words dont hide under the threat of a ban that is just childish, but you are AR and thats what I expected!!

More people in here have dogged you than anything else! I hardly think anyone who has half a brain see proof that you have shown by just saying it is not true.
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First of all, the "ad copy" is not something I wrote..it's not "according to me" at all. Understand?

Also, I didn't deal ecstasy I went to prison for posession. Oh..and since it was in NZ, I have a clean criminal record in the USA, therefore, I'm not a "convicted felon" as you seem to think.

Nice try. But your half truths and half knowledge don't add up to a full brain , no matter how you stack them.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
A.) Post one of those silly things, just so I know wtf you are talking about.

B.) Also..keep in mind, I learned most of what I knew when I read medical textbooks and studies while in prison...after I was out of prison,

C.) it's obvious to everyone...

D.) You'll likely end up with them, not here...if you go down their road. I told them that also....but they didn't listen.
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A.) You asked for it remember that

B.) You just said in post number 22 you were NOT an ex-con. To me an ex con is one who is convicted and sent to prison

C.) who is this everyone you keep referring too?

D.) And Anthony Roberts again with a ban threat. I have so far proven many things you have said UNTRUE. Because you say they are not true means nothing show real proof not just because you said

And also remember, you started this!!
 
CO B-man said:
B.) You just said in post number 22 you were NOT an ex-con. To me an ex con is one who is convicted and sent to prison
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I'm not an ex con. An ex-con (ex-convicted criminal) is a very specific term and has with it a very specific set of conditions and legal restrictions here in the United States...I am subject to none of those. I have a clean criminal record here in the USA, where I am a citizen....therefore I am not an ex-con. Get it?
 
Anthony Roberts said:
A.) First of all, the "ad copy" is not something I wrote..it's not "according to me" at all. Understand?

B.)since it was in NZ, I have a clean criminal record in the USA, therefore, I'm not a "convicted felon" as you seem to think.

C.) Nice try. But your half truths and half knowledge don't add up to a full brain , no matter how you stack them.
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A.) Again being an Author/proof reading/False advertising etc. comment
B.) Lie by Deception is what I would expect an excon to say
C.) Again Your silly words I can count more posts on here NOT on your side about this than the opposite. You did learn to count in you YEARS in prison that you also claimed not to have spent in prison\\

So since you lied by deception with C.) Does that also mean you did not spend YEARS in prison as you just tripped yourself on and lied earlier saying 2 years ? you are misinformed whatever you said? Because maybe in New Zealand they call it a Holliday Inn express? I have news for you A rapist in Thailand is still a rapist in the United States to me. A Murderer in the Ukraine is still ONE Who Murderred and finally an Ex COn in New zealand is STILL one who was sent to prison for illegal activities NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT!!!
 
CO B-man said:
A.) Again being an Author/proof reading/False advertising etc. comment
B.) Lie by Deception is what I would expect an excon to say
C.) Again Your silly words I can count more posts on here NOT on your side about this than the opposite. You did learn to count in you YEARS in prison that you also claimed not to have spent in prison\\

So since you lied by deception with C.) Does that also mean you did not spend YEARS in prison as you just tripped yourself on and lied earlier saying 2 years ? you are misinformed whatever you said? Because maybe in New Zealand they call it a Holliday Inn express? I have news for you A rapist in Thailand is still a rapist in the United States to me. A Murderer in the Ukraine is still ONE Who Murderred and finally an Ex COn in New zealand is STILL one who was sent to prison for illegal activities NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT!!!
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kick save and a beauty by co-bman!!!!!!!!!! :Popcorn: :Popcorn:
 
CO B-man said:
A.) A
So since you lied by deception with C.) Does that also mean you did not spend YEARS in prison as you just tripped yourself on and lied earlier saying 2 years ? you are misinformed whatever you said?
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Where exactly did I say I was in prison for two years? Can you link to that particular post....

Or find on any board, anywhere where I said I was in prison for 2 years? I can't seem to find it, nor see why you think I said it.

Also...it may come as a shock to you, but I don't read ad copy for everything I do, I don't even fill out my own profile, in part, and I didn't put my Sig or my Avatar in for myself...I don't do any of that. I know it's an important little part of the forum-ites lives to see who has the most clever sig, or pithy avatar, but I couldn't give a fuck.

It's done for me, and I don't think about it.
 
CO B-man said:
PER YOUR REQUEST

www. anthonyroberts-blog com
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Here it is www. anthonyroberts-blog com


And by you saying "and for my next trick" I assume that is when you ran with your tail between your legs and am begging for me to be banned for speaking my opinion because you are AR and I am one that can debate. And personally have owned you in here.


You deleted your referrences in the forum you talked about it in but thats cute I would have too! First you start off talking about how you know all about prison and now you are an excon. when will you speak the truth its easier than tripping over and covering up each lie. Anyway if you want to hold back on the years I can admit maybe I read that wrong. That would mean you spent less than thha so how long did you spend in their writing your book on the most appropriate toilet paper that was availlable to you? What year did you go to prison? I want to know how long you had to learn all about sterroids and actually write a book and have it published within a year after your unfortunate release. Remember here is a hint If you say too young there goes your credabilty of knowing crap in 2002 newbie posts and your post in this thread talking about how your research was done in prison. I am just curious how long it would take me to be a rocket science guru if I started today! because remember in 2002 you kn ew half of what you do today so if it were then when you were 24 then you did not know crap about what you wrote then Your words in this thread not mine that would mean you would have had to have been in prison after 24 (When you knew half as much because you are 29 today) So lets say you were 24 spent a few months researching and published in a year lets just say for fun that would have made you 26 ish only three years ago or was it later?


Lets just admit per your timelines your book must be crap!! AR has been owned!
 
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Here it is
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I was asking for one of those "newbie" questions I had asked...you know...something like that?

As for some mock website...I don't really care...it's kind of flattering that people waste so much time on me. I was asking you for somehting of substance where you drag up a post from 5 years ago where I asked something silly...

You know...so I could see it...just for a larf...
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I was asking for one of those "newbie" questions I had asked...you know...something like that?

As for some mock website...I don't really care...it's kind of flattering that people waste so much time on me. I was asking you for somehting of substance where you drag up a post from 5 years ago where I asked something silly...

You know...so I could see it...just for a larf...
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It was important only because of the timelines you have falsified! See my post #38

I did not look up crap. All the people you claim to be laughing at me my friend are not! It is AR they are laughing at. You can go to ANY other forum and see what you are thought of.

And finally if you could give a fuck about what people think about you why is it always so important for you to say I know this guy, I know that guy, I wqrote an article with I, I, I me, me, me is all we ever hear from you. Its quite sickening.

If you want AT YOUR REQUEST I will post these silly questions you have asked
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Also, I didn't deal ecstasy I went to prison for posession. Oh..and since it was in NZ, I have a clean criminal record in the USA, therefore, I'm not a "convicted felon" as you seem to think.

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didn't they pop you with something like 480 hits of X
 
CO B-man said:
That must be soley for personal use.
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i understand that you build up a tolerance to it the more you use it. the more you use the more it takes to get the same feeling. it really enhances sex, so i definately would not want to take any while i was in prison. :)
 
I never took food from anybody in prison and i doubt you have ever been,I'm not proud but i did time in beautiful club fed. If you know anything about prison other than what you see on T.V. because thats a bunch of bullshit you'd know that in the federal system you can eat all the food you want and you don't have to take it from anyone and the only people getting fucked in there are gay motherfuckers! I'm a convicted felon i guess i should write about it and try to make money, this site went downhill when they allowed AR to become a guru. nothing against you Co-b




CO B-man said:
Prisoners may eat slop but the government is required to give them a well balanced meal and the bigger ftard bullies take food from the weak to get more calories much like an MRE in the military. Some of them might look and taste like ass to some (I always liked them) but each one contains a 3000 calorie well balanced diet. I often wished I was still in while bulking I would be eating them daily.

Also I can not be convinced that at least a daily vitamin is not promoted by everyone. It could take just one missing vitamin and/or mineral to severly retard the sythesis of protien to muscle. Hence not drin king on cycle. It depletes so many important vitamins and minerals necessary for such synthesis as apposed to the theory its just harming your liver more! well maybe so but thats not the only reason.
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ole farte' said:
i understand that you build up a tolerance to it the more you use it. the more you use the more it takes to get the same feeling. it really enhances sex, so i definately would not want to take any while i was in prison. :)
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:FRlol:
 
Are you saying what I wrote is obvious? Then why do I see examples of the opposite behavior all the time?

If you're going to flame me at every turn at least try to pick a position from which there's a point to be made.
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Every body is different and every gear affects everyone different.

My point is Obvious Your generalization was inaccurate.


You may grow like a weed on 250mg Test E and cheese cake,
And I may grow on 1000mg test e, and protein


Another thing, when some disagrees with you don’t get so bent out shape,
It is like posting to a little kid.

If you are an expert, people will realize that soon enough, but just saying you are an expert does not convince people with a positive IQ, just sounds like simpleton bragging,

\

And please don’t tell me how to post, if I want to pick a position, I will pick a position, if I don’t guess what I won’t.

And I will disagree with who ever I want to, any way I want to, Who the F are you to tell me how to post or argue, or anything.

The subject matter seemed fairly trivial & obvious, if you think other wise, congratulations.
 
well I have bin to us jail and I can say if you are not getting 80 bangers every week your not getting enough protein thats for dame shore....I counted it up as for as whats in the meals and they were giving me about 20 grams of protein a day....but thats in county and I dont know how it is in state.
 
motodawg said:
I never took food from anybody in prison and i doubt you have ever been, i did time in beautiful club fed. If you know anything about prison other than what you see on T.V. because thats a bunch of bullshit you would know that in the federal system you can eat all the fucking food you want and you don't have to take it from anyone and the only people getting fucked in there are gay motherfuckers!
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I have never been in prison you are correct. I would not be proudly advertising it if I had. But you just made the initial point I was trying too. Which was nothing more than in prison you can grow because of food. It might taste like ass, it may be cold, it may be the nastiest shit you ever had or it may be just fine the fact is that it is nutritious the government has to ensure that the days of bread and water are over because why? Inhumane treatment. The cruel and unusual punishment such as locking in a cell and leaving them known as the Auburn Congregate system is way over as you know.
 
needtogetaas said:
well I have bin to us jail and I can say if you are not getting 80 bangers every week your not getting enough protein thats for dame shore....I counted it up as for as whats in the meals and they were giving me about 20 grams of protein a day....but thats in county and I dont know how it is in state.
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you should have beat the hell out of the kids in their for crimes against children for their hamburgers for more protien.
 
needtogetaas said:
you know what I have noticed...its the same people in all the threads doing all the bashing.....
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I disagree about the same people, and maybe exposing would be a better word than bashing.
 
Sorry to see this turned into a 3 page flame fest that has nothing to do with a topic that many may want to deabte. Can we go back to the top and start fresh?

There are a lot of good bros here and I think it's just a matter of a few misplaced words getting taken way out of bounds.

Is there such a thing as a cyber handshake -- agree that there's been a lot of overreacting and nobody really means to get personal. It just goes that way sometimes.


So anyway, no comments on how reducing calories and bloat work against your goals? And was Serge Nubret fucking awesome or what?
 
Sorry to see this turned into a 3 page flame fest that has nothing to do with a topic that many may want to deabte. Can we go back to the top and start fresh?

There are a lot of good bros here and I think it's just a matter of a few misplaced words getting taken way out of bounds.

Is there such a thing as a cyber handshake -- agree that there's been a lot of overreacting and nobody really means to get personal. It just goes that way sometimes.


So anyway, no comments on how reducing calories and bloat work against your goals? And was Serge Nubret fucking awesome or what?
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Ditto, I agree
 
Bashing? AR has been called out and rightly so - he has embarrassed himself, he refuses to answer any questions directly. When he is pulled up on a point he dismisses it (like oh the publishers must of made a mistake - how many other mistakes are in his book??) He boasts/brags about his past yrt again when pulled up on it dismisses it (like the boasting about jail - but talking about jail in NZ so he is not a felon wtf) He is constantly talking about people he has been training (in this thread we have the "fitness model" ) but then states he trains for sport and is not interested in bodybuilding or fitness (so what is he doing here). Contradiction after Contradiction. Now we have the fact that under 5 years ago he was asking newbie Qu's that he should have known about after "10" years research. AR guess you are a slow learner?

People on here need to wake up. It has nothing to do with Anabolc Steroid knowledge (something I do not claim to have) to see he is a sham - read his posts, its obvious he is a self obsessed numpty and anyone giving him the time of day needs there heads looking at.
 
THREAD OF THE WEEK GEORGE!

THREAD OF THE WEEK!

Co-B man for the win,

Anthony babe, your still a lying douchebag. Grow a set and admit it.
 
I disagree with the statement that they give u an extra 10%.

I agree with the thing about diet, as much as diet is a big part of it I don't think it's as big as people claim. I think sleep is a major piece being left out.

On the roid side I don't think they give you "an extra 10%", I think they magnify the work you do, '0 work' magnified to any degree is still 0 gains.

They allow you to train harder and longer, with more stamina and strength, and they recover you faster for more workouts per week and more reps per workout. I think in a practical sense they allow you to pack a year of lifting into a few months, and give you a performance boost right away that the year of natty lifting would not give. The agression and motivation in the gym is also not to be overlooked.
 
If you want to pick somebody apart, start a thread about it. Nothing is going to get settled though with bickering.

I won't speak for Anthony, I just know he's good at what he does. He's a young guy but so are/were so many of the innovators in the field. Any field. Babe Ruth was playing at the schoolground 5 years before he was at Yankee Stadium.

I'm coming from a different place. I've got more years behind me than I care to admit. Then I look at a guy like Jack LaLanne and realize he has a perspective I can't possibly match.

Anybody who as dedicated themselves to the pursut of knowledge and has accomplished something is worth hearing -- even if they may not always be right. (Hell, I have a problem with half the authorities in the industry).
 
10% is pretty much the accepted figure for well-trained, advanced athletes. With shoddy (read typical) training, the figure would be higher.
 
I sense a disturbance in the force

anywyas, all bullshit aside I definately agree with some of the points made in the thread. However the REAL holy grail in successful bodybuilding is the FOOD. pure and simple. I have personally seen, many many times, guys who train very light and focused(barely breaking a sweat). yet they somehow manage to look fantastic and have consistant progress. this is purely because of proper food intake and absorption. the training is mearly meant to stimulate growth. not destroy our bodies to a point they cannot recover AND repair AND hypertrophy from one workout to the next.

Consistancy, Dedication, Nutrition, Proper stimulation. are the keys. Drugs are mearly a chemical catalyst to help the right nutrients goto the right areas

just my HO
:coffee:
 
LAN T said:
I disagree about the same people, and maybe exposing would be a better word than bashing.
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I think to many people are thinking I was talking about this thread or this topic when in fact I was talking about a hole lot more. :) sorry if I threw people off.
 
i disagree strongly with one point, if you don't injure yourself you arn;t training hard enough,

i have been competing in shot put, hammer, discus, weightlifting, strongman, highland games and powerlifting for 27 years, with no injuries,

and have been coaching for ten years, shot putt with no injured athletes
 
needtogetaas said:
well I have bin to us jail and I can say if you are not getting 80 bangers every week your not getting enough protein thats for dame shore....I counted it up as for as whats in the meals and they were giving me about 20 grams of protein a day....but thats in county and I dont know how it is in state.
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Did they hand you a piece of paper with all the nutritional facts on it every time they fed you?
 
Nelson Montana said:
What makes the biggest diffference in transforming your physique? They used to say that diet was 75% of your results but I've questioned that from way back. Nobody ever became muscular from eating well. And look at guys in prison. Some of them are jacked -- and they eat slop. QUOTE]

But let me guess, who needs food, all you need is supps from PF right?
Just when I don't think you can say anything dumber and off the wall you surprise me once again. Thanks for the good laugh NM. That's about all your posts are good for.
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Mac173 said:
Nelson Montana said:
What makes the biggest diffference in transforming your physique? They used to say that diet was 75% of your results but I've questioned that from way back. Nobody ever became muscular from eating well. And look at guys in prison. Some of them are jacked -- and they eat slop. QUOTE]

But let me guess, who needs food, all you need is supps from PF right?
Just when I don't think you can say anything dumber and off the wall you surprise me once again. Thanks for the good laugh NM. That's about all your posts are good for.
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qft
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Wulfgar said:
I sense a disturbance in the force

anywyas, all bullshit aside I definately agree with some of the points made in the thread. However the REAL holy grail in successful bodybuilding is the FOOD. pure and simple. I have personally seen, many many times, guys who train very light and focused(barely breaking a sweat). yet they somehow manage to look fantastic and have consistant progress. this is purely because of proper food intake and absorption. the training is mearly meant to stimulate growth. not destroy our bodies to a point they cannot recover AND repair AND hypertrophy from one workout to the next.

Consistancy, Dedication, Nutrition, Proper stimulation. are the keys. Drugs are mearly a chemical catalyst to help the right nutrients goto the right areas

just my HO
:coffee:
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sunday school 101 ^^^ good post bro.
 
needtogetaas said:
well I have bin to us jail and I can say if you are not getting 80 bangers every week your not getting enough protein thats for dame shore....I counted it up as for as whats in the meals and they were giving me about 20 grams of protein a day....but thats in county and I dont know how it is in state.
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County food=worst food ever.......it gets better the deeper into the system you go. At least that's my experience. I'm sure it varies.
 
Mac173 said:
Nelson Montana said:
What makes the biggest diffference in transforming your physique? They used to say that diet was 75% of your results but I've questioned that from way back. Nobody ever became muscular from eating well. And look at guys in prison. Some of them are jacked -- and they eat slop. QUOTE]

But let me guess, who needs food, all you need is supps from PF right?
Just when I don't think you can say anything dumber and off the wall you surprise me once again. Thanks for the good laugh NM. That's about all your posts are good for.
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Who needs food? What? You're hopelessly confused dude.

BTW: Why don't you post a pic so we can all see what those 3 month, gram and a half cycles are doing for you. Hmm?
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Quadsweep said:
I have always said gear will move you up one level:

You suck=your ok
your ok=your good
your good=your great
your great=your a pro
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Perfect stated bro.

It's like having a good tennis racket or set of golf clubs. It helps. But it you suck, it doesn't matter what you use. You'll still suck.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Who needs food? What? You're hopelessly confused dude.

BTW: Why don't you post a pic so we can all see what those 3 month, gram and a half cycles are doing for you. Hmm?
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You said it not me.
Who said I'm on a gram and half or ever even did that much?
I'm actually in PCT right now.
Why do you make assumptions like that?
Oh ya, because you grasp for straws when trying to insult me because you have nothing else to stand on, so you resort to fabrication.
 
Mac173 said:
You said it not me.
Who said I'm on a gram and half or ever even did that much?
I'm actually in PCT right now.
Why do you make assumptions like that?
Oh ya, because you grasp for straws when trying to insult me because you have nothing else to stand on, so you resort to fabrication.
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Nice try kid.

How much did you use when you were on?

No insults. Just show us your pics. Or shut up.

You're right. I have nothing else to stand on. In fact I've built my entire career on insluting MAC173.

Get over yourself. You're not important, just a nuisance.

Has anyone noticed that this guy does little more than try to disrupt every thread I'm on?
 
Anthony Roberts said:
A. That's years researching. Learn to read. Nowhere has it ever been claimed that I was an author at 18. Learn to read.

B. Whatever. You're being proven wrong left and right by me. For this much schooling, you should have to pay tuition.

C. I'm not an ex-con....as for pointing out accomplishments, I'm proud of them...and all modesty is false modesty.
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Not taking sides but if you were in jail then you were a convict. When you are released then you are no longer a convict, hence the exconvict.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I didn't write that...I never even read that....I started reading about steroids when I was 16, not 14 (who cares?), and I bought evey book Duchaine had written, and all of the other ones on the market by the time I was 19. I guess when the marketing people wrote that they messed up my age...I don't write the ad copy or anything for my stuff.

Honestly, whatever I asked 5 years ago was what I wanted to know..I still had read most of the books on the market already and was starting my own research in medical journals. Forget 5 years ago...5 years ago I was a mod on a site which was (still) bigger (now) than the site you are getting all of your crap information about me off...
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What medical journals are you getting your info from. Not flaming I am just asking so I can also read and research to better explain to people when and if the topic ever comes up about me using AAS
 
CO B-man said:
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www. anthonyroberts-blog com
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Is that a real website? Who would allow those kind of post on thier own web site. it is some funny shit though.
 
This thread is full of epic beatdowns and epic meltdowns.

This man right here said it best :

BY SOLID SPINE :Another thing, when some disagrees with you don’t get so bent out shape, If you are an expert, people will realize that soon enough, but just saying you are an expert does not convince people with a positive IQ, just sounds like simpleton bragging,
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littleb said:
i am not trying to walk into the middle of a battle, or even a dispute, but i have to cause i know for a fact co b man is right about the prison food at least in the united states.. and the military too as i did my time in the service and without going into too much detail i have been in a prison or 2 well actually 3 [ but commited no crime.. ]
there is a guildline set for the amount of carbs protien and total cals a day, granted its high carb to fill the calorie quota, but check in most prison cells you will see they are allowed food in cells bagged tuna- precooked sausage-- and anything else high in protien you can think of..
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No, he's not.

My Dad was in prison for a year. He's always been lean. He came out a lard-ass.

The food they serve in Jail is very, very fattening.

On top of that, working for my county prosecutors office, I've gotten an inside look into our local prisons. It's pretty shitty. They are allowed commisary, but the commisary has mainly snack foods. Not tuna...
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I'm not an ex con. An ex-con (ex-convicted criminal) is a very specific term and has with it a very specific set of conditions and legal restrictions here in the United States...I am subject to none of those. I have a clean criminal record here in the USA, where I am a citizen....therefore I am not an ex-con. Get it?
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wtf? excon is excon AR, it dont matter which country you did your time in!
 
Great debate topic Nelson shame thread got off topic

Could you repost it again so it can be discussed properly and not include the flame fest of people picking up on definitions and what was or was not said 5 years ago?

Wrongun!
 
Nelson Montana said:
Sorry to see this turned into a 3 page flame fest that has nothing to do with a topic that many may want to deabte. Can we go back to the top and start fresh?

There are a lot of good bros here and I think it's just a matter of a few misplaced words getting taken way out of bounds.

Is there such a thing as a cyber handshake -- agree that there's been a lot of overreacting and nobody really means to get personal. It just goes that way sometimes.


So anyway, no comments on how reducing calories and bloat work against your goals? And was Serge Nubret fucking awesome or what?
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I'd give my left nut to look like serge nubret, he's got awesome genetics
 
Here's the misconception in my mind. It's second nature for you, me, and most people on this baord that steroids go in conjunctinono with training and nutrition. There's no doubt with decent habits at the dinner table, and a good work ethic steroids can take you where genetics can't.

What some people don't understand is the following:
I can pump a gram of Test a week into my body, 100mg of Winstrol a day, 100mg of Tren A a day. And If I don't workout often, eat twinkies and drink beer, and don't take an anti-E..... I will be a fat guy with tits and a liver problem in 12 weeks.

Great fitness can without a doubt be achieved with or without steroids. But if used correctly, and if you are responsible in other areas of your life, yes AAS can do a lot to help you out.






Anthony Roberts said:
All opinions are subjective..."objective opinions" are known as facts, I believe....

It's not necessarily training harder, but smarter. I worked with Ms. New Jersey (figure) for the last 8 weeks of her prep...I cut her time in the gym from 5 days to four, and from an hour and a half each session to 45 minutes...I halved her training time, and she took first place in her contest!

From my article on her:

It was also at week eight that I took over writing her workouts, and began taking more of a heavy hand in helping her. Her five weekly hour and a half weight training sessions were changed to four weekly sessions, each lasting no more than forty-five minutes. Lower body was trained two times a week as was upper body, and I replaced all of her machine movements with free weights. We stopped thinking "bodybuilder" on lower body days and started thinking "rap video."

(Full article about her and her training: http://www.t-nation.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-104-feature.html)

She worked out smarter, not harder.

On the other hand, I'm of the staunch opinion that if you have been lifting/training/playing for years and never been injured, you're a total pussy.

And how stupid are the workouts I see on the internet? Basically, I could write a better workout using a Ouija Board or flipping a fucking coin.
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i disagree with the guy who said if you've trained for years and never got hurt you're not training..
 
I agree with the training. From a personal experience I don't think most introduce themselves to the heavy weights enough. Doesn't matter if you train 7 days a week 3hrs a day you will never make the progress you can when you lift heavier weights frequently. As for the food, I personally did not start really noticing progress until I started increasing the cals. Before that I was consuming 3000-4000cals and lots of protein. Keep same doseages and only thing I changed was the diet cals and started taking off. As for AAS doses I couldn't say except I don't do crazy doses and I am making good progress I think. The AAS dose thing may be the hardest variable to nail down since some guys seem to respond differently than others.

Perp
 
To use something to an earliar analogy; it's like someone who can't play guitar well so he decides to buy a more expensive guitar. There's a point where it comes down to your work ethic and natural ability. The things with roids is, more will help a little more. That's why dosages have gotten out of control. For some of those guys it may be too late. They've been conditioned to just taking more and more. For those who are more serious -- or want to be -- there are other options worth exploring -- training techniques, supps, diet, etc.

And I agree with perp -- calories. Can't grow without them.
 
i'm doing my first cycle after getting to 6'1 235 10% naturally.. 500 mg enan 600 mg eq.. 4 years of hard training been sketchy past year but since i got on juice haven't been hitting the gym this hard my entire life..

did i juice too early?
 
Phaded said:
i'm doing my first cycle after getting to 6'1 235 10% naturally.. 500 mg enan 600 mg eq.. 4 years of hard training been sketchy past year but since i got on juice haven't been hitting the gym this hard my entire life..

did i juice too early?
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How old are you? It's good that you got the bf down first along with nice size. Back looks good bro. I think after 4 years of serious training you can begin juicing, but I also think it's a bit of a shame to blast your receptors with so much right out of the gate. You can make great gains will lower dosages, with or without a combination of supps.

Where do you go from here in order to get to the next level? 2 grams? 3?
 
Nelson Montana said:
How old are you? It's good that you got the bf down first along with nice size. Back looks good bro. I think after 4 years of serious training you can begin juicing, but I also think it's a bit of a shame to blast your receptors with so much right out of the gate. You can make great gains will lower dosages, with or without a combination of supps.

Where do you go from here in order to get to the next level? 2 grams? 3?
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i'm 24..

next level? ill try a diff steroid doubt ill ever hit a gram of test because its making my hair fall out like wild..

was planning on giving a short cycle with tren/prop a roll.. i'm at 246 now like 6 weeks in.. was at 230ish when i started the cycle..

considering what some of these people on this forum look like and people i know look like going on their 10th cycle i dont think there is much shit you can talk about me..
 
ole farte' said:
didn't they pop you with something like 480 hits of X
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Nowhere near that. 118 hits.

Also...don't worry about giving COB Karma.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Nowhere near that. 118 hits.

Also...don't worry about giving COB Karma.
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You are getting literally HAMMERED on board after board by those in the know. Being completely UNCOVERED AND EXPOSED. It appears that Elite and Steroid.com are your last remaining refuge.....and time will tell how long that will last.
 
hyperplasia said:
You are getting literally HAMMERED on board after board by those in the know. Being completely UNCOVERED AND EXPOSED. It appears that Elite and Steroid.com are your last remaining refuge.....and time will tell how long that will last.
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I think I've defended myself adaquately. Most of the "information" about me is half truths and heresay...

As for being "hammered" by those "in the know" nobody here is as in the know as you seem to think. I've corrected about 20 mistakes in this thread alone.

Also...I'm currently working: here, Steroid.com, BB.com, ISteroids, SteroidEncyclopaedia, SSB, SteroidWorld.com and Meso (they released another article by me today).

Don't worry about me...I'm fine.... "hammered"...ha ha...Thanks for caring.
 
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