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I chose an issue proposal of 'Obesity in America' and started analyzing the NAAFA board since early November of 2002. I registered under several different names, and started posting.
I found that nobody seemed to even consider the idea of taking responsibility in their actions, and after talking one-on-one to many of them, I now believe that they may all have some sort of mental instability of one sort or another. I saw signs of haughtiness in such a degree that I believe that several of the members are manic. I also see severe depression, which is to be expected with the lack of self-respect that these obese people have for their physical bodies. Also present was the inability to cope with simple disagreeing viewpoints.
Basically, I've found that the stereotypes are true, and the members of NAAFA will even admit to their obesity being predominantly behavioral. In short, the Fat Acceptance movement is nothing more than a fat Klu Klux Klan who hate the idea of personal responsibility and try to make others compensate for their lack of self-restraint.
I found that nobody seemed to even consider the idea of taking responsibility in their actions, and after talking one-on-one to many of them, I now believe that they may all have some sort of mental instability of one sort or another. I saw signs of haughtiness in such a degree that I believe that several of the members are manic. I also see severe depression, which is to be expected with the lack of self-respect that these obese people have for their physical bodies. Also present was the inability to cope with simple disagreeing viewpoints.
Basically, I've found that the stereotypes are true, and the members of NAAFA will even admit to their obesity being predominantly behavioral. In short, the Fat Acceptance movement is nothing more than a fat Klu Klux Klan who hate the idea of personal responsibility and try to make others compensate for their lack of self-restraint.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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Wow!
Can it really be that a *whole year* has passed, and some of you are STILL over there, copying posts and trollin'?
I have to say that I admire the dedication here. Requiem, for you to be over there for *four months,* posing as different people in order to plague the hated fat ones and then come over here ... I gotta say ... there must be some deep, deep hate going on. Hats off to you ... I guess.
Hard Ruler ... I'm sorry you got banned over there, and I don't really know why that happened.
I *do* know that there were some attitudes toward you when you posted about your mom that were inappropriate. I don't really know where those people were coming from. 
HOWEVER: 1.) Not ALL people over there were like that, only a vocal few, and 2.) The same sort of intolerant attitude is also here, only the people differ in physical appearance and the ideals they are pushing.
Good luck in your weight loss efforts. I hope you succeed the *first* time and are able to keep the weight off, because take it from someone who knows, if you don't succeed the first time -- or you do and you can't keep it off -- things can get very interesting. You could find yourself the scapegoat for your new best buds here before you know it. Many of us over at NAAFA are people who have had major trouble losing or couldn't keep it off, and that's why we're soured on those with the attitudes here. I wish you the best and I hope your life is going better for you these days. I for one miss you over there. How are you doing?
Platehead Jim: emotional eating disorders and weak will are not the same thing.
To scrummy, who wrote:
here's one quote.
"We have gotten to a point where "normal" is defined as a size 2-6. Has anyone really LOOKED at any size 2-6 clothing lately?? It's TEENTSY!! When we start defining a *healthy,* normal size 10 as "too fat," there is a big problem in this country. And then, of course, someone who looks like Jennifer gets labeled as being much fatter than she really is. Stop listening to Hollywood and get real.
I think the people from the fat board are mistaking the people on this board for anorexic waifs. They are mixing up people who want to be muscular and possibly lean, with people who just want to be skinny. I don't think anyone on here actually wants to be described as skinny and the fat board people fail to realize that for some muscular women, a size 12 is not uncommon."
You *don't* get picked on for being a size 12???? Let me tell you, the vast majority of size 12 women in this country do. I know because I was when I was that size. I got picked on about my weight when I was a size 10, and even when I was a size 8!!! I was literally working my ass off, but it just wasn't enough for some people. If you are accepted at the size you are and people in your family, circle of friends, etc, are not telling you you are too big and need to lose weight, consider yourself very, very lucky. And very, very *atypical.* The WHOLE POINT of me posting that is that people like you, WHO ARE HEALTHY AT THE SIZE THEY ARE AT, SHOULD NOT GET PICKED ON for being healthy at a size 12!!!!
I find it encouraging to hear that somewhere in this Godforsaken country that actually is the case!
On the other hand, if you ever do get some flak for being the size you are at the fitness level you are, then NAAFA is there for you, too. You're one of the "large and fit" (according to the fashion industry you are "plus size" or almost there). If you have trouble finding the clothes you want in your size, if you get nasty remarks from people who really do think you would look better six sizes smaller, if you are sick and tired of never seeing your body type in the movies or on TV, *you're one of the people we're ostensibly there to help!* I say, ostensibly, because it seems to me there is some division in the ranks about what NAAFA's goals should really be, and I see some stated goals I don't support and wish I could help rein some of the extremists in a bit.
We're not all 400 lbs. Some of us are quite a bit smaller, and wish society would wise up *finally* about what HEALTHY women really look like.
Hulkster: Do please show me where on the NAAFA board J Portnik says she is 350 lbs. I want to see the link.
I want to see it because I have her picture on my refrigerator, and she is about my size, and I weigh NOWHERE NEAR 350 lbs!! Anyone her size has *at least* 100 lbs to go. And I find it highly unlikely that anyone 350 lbs could lead even one aerobics class even half the way through, let alone lead 6 or 7 a week.
And, finally, back to Platehead Jim:
"It's February and .................................................
HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE FUCKING FAT PEOPLE IN THE GYM?!!!
It's funny but in my gym I would estimate (and we all know how painful that can be) for every 10 newbies there is only 2 obese whales. The whales show up, blow their horn, look at me and other hardcore types angrily and never show up again."
It depends on what gym you go to. I have been at my gym nearly every day for the past 6 weeks, and we have all shapes and sizes there. I really have to admire some of the older women who come to work out. Some of them obviously have stiff knees and hips and can't get around as well as they used to, but they are trying to do something for their health, and they are in there doing what they can. Whether I lose weight or not, whether any of you people would approve (ever!) of how I look or not, that is how I want to be when I am 60 or 70, willing and able to come do whatever I can do to stay healthy.
What kind of gym *do* you go to? Mine is a women's gym where no person is judged for their body shape, what they look like, or what anyone surmises their previous habits might have been. We have two plus size instructors, several smaller aerobics instructors, and a yoga teacher. People feel comfortable and accepted there, not looked down upon and sneered at. That is the sort of environment plus size people want to stay at. Not to say that everyone in there is fat. There are several beautiful figures I see there on a regular basis as well, one lady who has to be at least 55 and I'd love to be in half her shape at that age!
My point is, perhaps attitudes like yours are part of the reason the plus size people don't come back. We know when we're being stared at, we know when we're not welcome, and we know when we're not wanted. I'm glad I've found a gym that isn't like that. I know how it feels to be completely new at free weights, be struggling to lift and lower some tiny thing, and feel really embarrassed watching the muscular jock next to me lift barbells the size of a freight train.
I think I'm done, except for issuing the standard plea: Why don't you people just go away and let other people alone? You're not going to change anyone else's mind. I've already given up on changing yours. Basically you're just hanging around over there to hate, hate, hate. Is it making you feel better in some way?
Can it really be that a *whole year* has passed, and some of you are STILL over there, copying posts and trollin'?
I have to say that I admire the dedication here. Requiem, for you to be over there for *four months,* posing as different people in order to plague the hated fat ones and then come over here ... I gotta say ... there must be some deep, deep hate going on. Hats off to you ... I guess.
Hard Ruler ... I'm sorry you got banned over there, and I don't really know why that happened.
I *do* know that there were some attitudes toward you when you posted about your mom that were inappropriate. I don't really know where those people were coming from. HOWEVER: 1.) Not ALL people over there were like that, only a vocal few, and 2.) The same sort of intolerant attitude is also here, only the people differ in physical appearance and the ideals they are pushing.Good luck in your weight loss efforts. I hope you succeed the *first* time and are able to keep the weight off, because take it from someone who knows, if you don't succeed the first time -- or you do and you can't keep it off -- things can get very interesting. You could find yourself the scapegoat for your new best buds here before you know it. Many of us over at NAAFA are people who have had major trouble losing or couldn't keep it off, and that's why we're soured on those with the attitudes here. I wish you the best and I hope your life is going better for you these days. I for one miss you over there. How are you doing?
Platehead Jim: emotional eating disorders and weak will are not the same thing.
To scrummy, who wrote:
here's one quote.
"We have gotten to a point where "normal" is defined as a size 2-6. Has anyone really LOOKED at any size 2-6 clothing lately?? It's TEENTSY!! When we start defining a *healthy,* normal size 10 as "too fat," there is a big problem in this country. And then, of course, someone who looks like Jennifer gets labeled as being much fatter than she really is. Stop listening to Hollywood and get real.
I think the people from the fat board are mistaking the people on this board for anorexic waifs. They are mixing up people who want to be muscular and possibly lean, with people who just want to be skinny. I don't think anyone on here actually wants to be described as skinny and the fat board people fail to realize that for some muscular women, a size 12 is not uncommon."
You *don't* get picked on for being a size 12???? Let me tell you, the vast majority of size 12 women in this country do. I know because I was when I was that size. I got picked on about my weight when I was a size 10, and even when I was a size 8!!! I was literally working my ass off, but it just wasn't enough for some people. If you are accepted at the size you are and people in your family, circle of friends, etc, are not telling you you are too big and need to lose weight, consider yourself very, very lucky. And very, very *atypical.* The WHOLE POINT of me posting that is that people like you, WHO ARE HEALTHY AT THE SIZE THEY ARE AT, SHOULD NOT GET PICKED ON for being healthy at a size 12!!!!
I find it encouraging to hear that somewhere in this Godforsaken country that actually is the case!
On the other hand, if you ever do get some flak for being the size you are at the fitness level you are, then NAAFA is there for you, too. You're one of the "large and fit" (according to the fashion industry you are "plus size" or almost there). If you have trouble finding the clothes you want in your size, if you get nasty remarks from people who really do think you would look better six sizes smaller, if you are sick and tired of never seeing your body type in the movies or on TV, *you're one of the people we're ostensibly there to help!* I say, ostensibly, because it seems to me there is some division in the ranks about what NAAFA's goals should really be, and I see some stated goals I don't support and wish I could help rein some of the extremists in a bit.
We're not all 400 lbs. Some of us are quite a bit smaller, and wish society would wise up *finally* about what HEALTHY women really look like.
Hulkster: Do please show me where on the NAAFA board J Portnik says she is 350 lbs. I want to see the link.
I want to see it because I have her picture on my refrigerator, and she is about my size, and I weigh NOWHERE NEAR 350 lbs!! Anyone her size has *at least* 100 lbs to go. And I find it highly unlikely that anyone 350 lbs could lead even one aerobics class even half the way through, let alone lead 6 or 7 a week.
And, finally, back to Platehead Jim:
"It's February and .................................................
HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE FUCKING FAT PEOPLE IN THE GYM?!!!
It's funny but in my gym I would estimate (and we all know how painful that can be) for every 10 newbies there is only 2 obese whales. The whales show up, blow their horn, look at me and other hardcore types angrily and never show up again."
It depends on what gym you go to. I have been at my gym nearly every day for the past 6 weeks, and we have all shapes and sizes there. I really have to admire some of the older women who come to work out. Some of them obviously have stiff knees and hips and can't get around as well as they used to, but they are trying to do something for their health, and they are in there doing what they can. Whether I lose weight or not, whether any of you people would approve (ever!) of how I look or not, that is how I want to be when I am 60 or 70, willing and able to come do whatever I can do to stay healthy.
What kind of gym *do* you go to? Mine is a women's gym where no person is judged for their body shape, what they look like, or what anyone surmises their previous habits might have been. We have two plus size instructors, several smaller aerobics instructors, and a yoga teacher. People feel comfortable and accepted there, not looked down upon and sneered at. That is the sort of environment plus size people want to stay at. Not to say that everyone in there is fat. There are several beautiful figures I see there on a regular basis as well, one lady who has to be at least 55 and I'd love to be in half her shape at that age!
My point is, perhaps attitudes like yours are part of the reason the plus size people don't come back. We know when we're being stared at, we know when we're not welcome, and we know when we're not wanted. I'm glad I've found a gym that isn't like that. I know how it feels to be completely new at free weights, be struggling to lift and lower some tiny thing, and feel really embarrassed watching the muscular jock next to me lift barbells the size of a freight train.
I think I'm done, except for issuing the standard plea: Why don't you people just go away and let other people alone? You're not going to change anyone else's mind. I've already given up on changing yours. Basically you're just hanging around over there to hate, hate, hate. Is it making you feel better in some way?
MasterChief
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Re: Wow!
Props to you sweetie for sticking around. And don't let harsh comments affect you.
As for the rest of you guys fucking around, I cant believe you are so inmature. And you call yourselves bodybuilders. Its because of you that we have a bad name as athletes. You guys are giving the BodyBuilding community, MY LIFE, a bad name.
And you wonder why "sedentary" people chuckle at our high protein intake and supplement use? Stop acting like children and live on dudes.
MasterChief out.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
Props to you sweetie for sticking around. And don't let harsh comments affect you.
As for the rest of you guys fucking around, I cant believe you are so inmature. And you call yourselves bodybuilders. Its because of you that we have a bad name as athletes. You guys are giving the BodyBuilding community, MY LIFE, a bad name.
And you wonder why "sedentary" people chuckle at our high protein intake and supplement use? Stop acting like children and live on dudes.
MasterChief out.
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HULKSTER
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard:
Bottom line is, stopping you and your fellow members of NAAFA's crap is more important then accepting your "fat lifestyle", which is the PC term for LAZINESS AND SLOTH. EF members will continue to troll your board in order to stop people like you from telling the out of shape and obese people of America that it's okay to have diabetes, heart disease, weigh 500lbs., use a motor scooter to get around because you can't walk, wear Depends diapers because your so fat you won't make it to the bathroom in time, etc. I have as much tolerance for your organization's attempt to have Americans accept such a DISEASED, UNHAPPY and LAZY LIFESTYLE as I do for MUSLIM TERRORISTS. But just like the young radical Muslim terrorists, you too will die an early death from your nonsense.
Bottom line is, stopping you and your fellow members of NAAFA's crap is more important then accepting your "fat lifestyle", which is the PC term for LAZINESS AND SLOTH. EF members will continue to troll your board in order to stop people like you from telling the out of shape and obese people of America that it's okay to have diabetes, heart disease, weigh 500lbs., use a motor scooter to get around because you can't walk, wear Depends diapers because your so fat you won't make it to the bathroom in time, etc. I have as much tolerance for your organization's attempt to have Americans accept such a DISEASED, UNHAPPY and LAZY LIFESTYLE as I do for MUSLIM TERRORISTS. But just like the young radical Muslim terrorists, you too will die an early death from your nonsense.
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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*puts head in hands and shakes head at the sheer futility of trying to get through to any of you hard core haters*
Hulkster. I'm going to try to get this point across, very slowly and gently, so perhaps a grain of it might get through.
I personally don't agree with the above attitude, either!! Otherwise why would I still be at the gym after a year? Wouldn't I have quit and gained 30 more lbs?
What I am trying to say is that there are ALL KINDS of people on EACH board.
Not all of the NAAFAns embrace that attitude, although there are a few that do. I also notice that not everyone on your board lumps all large people into the same pot based on appearance, although there are a few (including you) who do. Some people on your board are more supportive of larger people trying to do *something* to get into better shape, although there are a few (including you) who apparently don't.
All I'm saying is, try not to bash everybody over there based on the actions of a vocal few. We're not all the same, we don't all think the same, and no, we DON'T all weigh the same. And, for cryin' out loud, we don't all live the same, either!
I think there are a few people over there who, um, take things a bit too personally and a bit too stridently?
Same goes for over here ...
I wish everybody would just kind of "moderate" and not get so extreme. Because all of this is just that, EXTREMELY unpleasant.
What good is it?
Hulkster. I'm going to try to get this point across, very slowly and gently, so perhaps a grain of it might get through.
I personally don't agree with the above attitude, either!! Otherwise why would I still be at the gym after a year? Wouldn't I have quit and gained 30 more lbs?
What I am trying to say is that there are ALL KINDS of people on EACH board.
Not all of the NAAFAns embrace that attitude, although there are a few that do. I also notice that not everyone on your board lumps all large people into the same pot based on appearance, although there are a few (including you) who do. Some people on your board are more supportive of larger people trying to do *something* to get into better shape, although there are a few (including you) who apparently don't.
All I'm saying is, try not to bash everybody over there based on the actions of a vocal few. We're not all the same, we don't all think the same, and no, we DON'T all weigh the same. And, for cryin' out loud, we don't all live the same, either!
I think there are a few people over there who, um, take things a bit too personally and a bit too stridently?
Same goes for over here ...
I wish everybody would just kind of "moderate" and not get so extreme. Because all of this is just that, EXTREMELY unpleasant.
What good is it?
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
ATrollFromTheFatBoard
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*BULLSHIT! This is no "moderate" opinion on NAAFA's discussion boards,*
Yeah, there is. Me. And I know I'm not the only person.
However, those who aren't quite so moderate are often the first to jump on the keyboard and get rude to folks. And there are a couple of people who do that.
*for if there were, I and others wouldn't have been immediately banned for CIVILLY discussing the merits of DIETS.*
That doesn't mean that NAAFA opposes people trying to lose weight if they want to do so. There are several reasons diet talk gets banned over there.
One is that many, many of the standard "diets" out there result in most people regaining lost weight *and then some* after they are done with the diet. And, as you know, we don't need to get any bigger than we are! There are a lot of unhealthful and "quack" diets out there. NAAFA doesn't want people trying them especially. They basically feel, and I have to agree, that a diet alone isn't magic, and may leave you worse off than when you started, especially if it's one of those ultra-low calorie ones.
Secondly, the particular board you were on is a support board, not a weight loss board. People are in there because they are sick of taking crap all day, and they want a place to "chill out" and forget about How To Lose Weight for a while. That is what that board is for.
This doesn't mean that none of those people are trying to lose weight ... I know some who are. This doesn't mean that nobody there is on a diet or searching for one to try. It does mean that we don't use that forum to discuss that, because that's not the place. Which to me makes a lot of sense. If someone wants to go on a diet, there are LOADS of websites to choose from, including this one! But a board where they DON'T talk about dieting ... you don't find many of those. But, yeah, advocating that people go on diets there WILL get ya banned, but that's not reflective of what anyone/everyone is or isn't doing about their weight.
*Additionally, you say that ONLY A FEW PEOPLE share the opinion on NAAFA's discussion boards that it's healthy and perfectly alright to be a fat, lazy sloth. MORE BULLSHIT! It seems like 100% of NAAFA's discussion board posters, like the Moderator Violent Beauty, are hardcore against anyone discussing, LET ALONE ACTUAL GOING ON, a diet.*
Again, I refer you to the above.
It IS possible to discuss dieting and weight loss on there and not get banned. The way to do that is to describe your own experience WITHOUT name-calling, or saying things like, "Hey you fat lazy slobs, why don't you go on a diet?" or "The way to lose weight is do this ... " In other words, people aren't on there for weight loss advice. It's not a weight loss advice board. We get that EVERYWHERE
Furthermore, they immediately attack anyone who even discusses the possibilities and merits of losing weight and more importantly, getting in shape. The bottom line is, your organization is made up of a bunch of lazy sloths who think that if their numbers are strong enough, and they file enough lawsuits and petitions, Americans will bow down and accept their nonsense. Guess what, that will never happen.
Yeah, there is. Me. And I know I'm not the only person.
However, those who aren't quite so moderate are often the first to jump on the keyboard and get rude to folks. And there are a couple of people who do that.
*for if there were, I and others wouldn't have been immediately banned for CIVILLY discussing the merits of DIETS.*
That doesn't mean that NAAFA opposes people trying to lose weight if they want to do so. There are several reasons diet talk gets banned over there.
One is that many, many of the standard "diets" out there result in most people regaining lost weight *and then some* after they are done with the diet. And, as you know, we don't need to get any bigger than we are! There are a lot of unhealthful and "quack" diets out there. NAAFA doesn't want people trying them especially. They basically feel, and I have to agree, that a diet alone isn't magic, and may leave you worse off than when you started, especially if it's one of those ultra-low calorie ones.
Secondly, the particular board you were on is a support board, not a weight loss board. People are in there because they are sick of taking crap all day, and they want a place to "chill out" and forget about How To Lose Weight for a while. That is what that board is for.
This doesn't mean that none of those people are trying to lose weight ... I know some who are. This doesn't mean that nobody there is on a diet or searching for one to try. It does mean that we don't use that forum to discuss that, because that's not the place. Which to me makes a lot of sense. If someone wants to go on a diet, there are LOADS of websites to choose from, including this one! But a board where they DON'T talk about dieting ... you don't find many of those. But, yeah, advocating that people go on diets there WILL get ya banned, but that's not reflective of what anyone/everyone is or isn't doing about their weight.
*Additionally, you say that ONLY A FEW PEOPLE share the opinion on NAAFA's discussion boards that it's healthy and perfectly alright to be a fat, lazy sloth. MORE BULLSHIT! It seems like 100% of NAAFA's discussion board posters, like the Moderator Violent Beauty, are hardcore against anyone discussing, LET ALONE ACTUAL GOING ON, a diet.*
Again, I refer you to the above.
It IS possible to discuss dieting and weight loss on there and not get banned. The way to do that is to describe your own experience WITHOUT name-calling, or saying things like, "Hey you fat lazy slobs, why don't you go on a diet?" or "The way to lose weight is do this ... " In other words, people aren't on there for weight loss advice. It's not a weight loss advice board. We get that EVERYWHERE
Furthermore, they immediately attack anyone who even discusses the possibilities and merits of losing weight and more importantly, getting in shape. The bottom line is, your organization is made up of a bunch of lazy sloths who think that if their numbers are strong enough, and they file enough lawsuits and petitions, Americans will bow down and accept their nonsense. Guess what, that will never happen.
notoriousQQ
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ATrollFromTheFatBoard said:
shhhhhh..
I'm listening to the voice of reason.
The above is actually good advise for everything involved in the fat fiasco.
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