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hold up- most the shit he sayd is factually true but the poor people - fat people argument is off.

the dishonesty would lie more between the very rich and the starving than the fat and the starving.

also if your gonna pick on people for eating a lot i guess that puts off all advanced bodybuilders as well.
 
i have no problem with eating alot, cause lord knows i do. but there is such a big difference here between fat people and bodybuilders, and you know that.
 
IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing.

To be disgusted by something or someone is not the issue. What I find ignorant is one person's willingness to decry someone for a percieved lack of responsibility, yet accept no repsonsibility for his own reactions/responses/emotions. No one other than you can make you feel as you do.

What I find ignorant is considering a person's physical appearance to be the sole arbiter and regulator of said person's value and/or competence for anything. There are people on this board in amazing physical shape, yet their emotional shape is saddening. Very recent examples abound.

What I find ignorant is one's decision to discard tools of education for the benefit of making truly informed, positive choices. There are numerous and appalling examples on both boards.

What I find ignorant are the assumptions about others one makes based on so little factual information.

What I find ignorant is wasting such valuable energy on both disgust and persuasion. Ultimately, neither are done for the benefit of the other.

I have made no claims of infinite wisdom and I certainly hope that I never have it. I made no accusations of deeply seated resons for your anger, nor do I claim to hold expertise on such matters. I have made no claims to be perfect.

What I will claim is that nothing is ever black or white. That I am responsible for my choices, my actions and my emotions. That changing myself is difficult and frustrating and angering enough without the added bonus of changing countless others when they haven't asked for my "help" (and believe me ... my previous post wasn't intended to be particularly helpful to you or to ATFTFB).

Frankly, I don't care why you think the way you do. Nor do I care why ATFTFB feels compelled to be the champion of fat people here, or anywhere else for that matter. Both pursuits are a waste of time.
 
p0ink, I'm going to stop speaking with you.

It doesn't do any good at all.

Go on and hate people. You do anyway. If it weren't us, it would be someone else.

To the guy who posted about self acceptance, you are preaching to the choir. *I* feel better about myself these days, but it took me ten years to do that ... ten years I spent *listening to people put me down for this and that,* and getting fat on the side.

What I am trying to tell you is that not everybody is there yet in having a positive self image. People don't get where I am today by osmosis. It is pretty damn difficult to change your outlook on life when the entire world is as cruel as they can possibly be, your looks are all you are, and everyone thinks that is OK. Can't we please HELP people out with this, instead of blaming, shaming, and hurling more insults??? Is it THAT tough???

WHO CARES HOW THEY GOT THAT WAY! Is it so difficult to be kind to someone worse off than you? Must we go out of our way to make someone's life as miserable as it can possibly be? Must it be as hard as it can possibly be for people to find the right information to help themselves? And I can't believe, no, I just can't believe someone could come onto this board or anywhere else and say that someone suffering with a potentially fatal, miserable disease should be left to die just because "it's all their own damn fault, and they don't have any money." That is heartless. I work in veterinary medicine and we treat DOGS that way, not people. And from some of the posts here, some of you seem to have more empathy for the dogs. If it were you, say, with a drug problem or some such, would you want to be left for dead in a gutter somewhere, because "you did it to yourself??"

This sort of attitude reminds me of something that happened just last week where I live. A woman jumped off of a bridge at midday and killed herself. The policeman who spent over an hour with her out there on that bridge trying to talk her down reported that motorists, stopped on the bridge because of the incident, were yelling, "Jump, bitch!" and even worse things at this desperate, suffering person. Why? She was holding up traffic and they absolutely had to get somewhere!!!

I see echoes of that very attitude, man's inhumanity to man, right here.

It's all part of the same thing, folks. How are we ever going to get along and stop all the fighting in the world with attitudes like this?? For some people the hot button is religion, for some it's sexual orientation ... and for some it's plain old weight. Well, they're fat (they're Arabs, they're Muslims, they're Jews, they're gays), they don't deserve to live, let's just let them die. Who deserves to live??? ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LIKE ME!!!!

p0ink, I hope that if you ever have some situation in your life where you are in some sort of mental or emotional trouble, you encounter more compassion from people than you've shown here. If everyone in the world acted like you we'd have blown ourselves into the nuclear winter back in the sixties.

In closing, may I please point out:

Maybe it is true that everyone can be thin. I don't know. But making it a pillar of my self esteem, such that I hated myself if I wasn't, has done nothing to help motivate me to eat right and exercise. I personally do much better with these things if I focus on the other benefits and don't have a goal for how I look. It makes sense that if we are trying to eat right and exercise and are having difficulty staying motivated, we do whatever works for us instead of what works against us.

Lastly, everyone is down on us for not actively pursuing The Holy Grail Of Weight Loss on that board. Why is it that, if we are fat, every place we gather has to be about weight loss?? Some of these people are involved in weight loss efforts elsewhere. We just don't bring it to THAT board. It isn't the place. That's all.
 
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Ignore it all. You'll never change an inflexible mind.

I'm not arguing with you there. I'm also not trying to change p0ink's mind. I know I can't do that.

What I am doing, I hope, is giving others who stop by here, whose minds are perhaps a little less inflexible, something to think about the next time they see a larger person on the street and are tempted to walk up and say something unkind. To me, as I have been the recipient of such remarks, this is far from pointless.

I am also practicing for the next time that happens to me. I'm pretty good in writing, but in person I still need a little help. Perhaps the more I write what I need to say the more likely it will be on the tip of my tongue, ready to be delivered with dignity the next time I need it.

Life is short. Will everybody be kind to one another please?

Blessed be.
 
Well, Troll means well, she doesn't get a damn thing p0ink's saying, but she means well. We're just talking about two different minds/schools of thought/whatever. But I'll be damned if I can let her have the last word in this thread, so let me just thrown in another "Amen p0ink."

And also I want to underscore that the VAST MAJORITY of fat people NEVER try (or try very half-ass for a very short time) to do anything about it. They are LAZY, they are IRRESPONSIBLE. These are the ones I have the problem with, these are the ones who should not be defended, so don't give me that shit.

And to the "live and let live" kinda spiel Troll posted above: I would LOVE if if the fat people never messed with me in any way. But like p0ink pointed out, we have to pay for them. We have to hear them bitch about accomodations. We have to see them eat. God forbid sometimes we have to try to cram in next to them. We have to hear them bitch about how it's so hard for them, blah blah wah wah -[rock voice] AW SHUT THE HELL UP! [/rock voice] We have to etc etc etc. It's kind of a double-edged sword. Fat people are ridiculed so much (which I find ironic as they're quickly becoming a huge majority), yet they get all kinds of allowances and special treatment. What other group is allowed such leniency and accomodations? The disabled. But the thing is, the disabled have no choice. YFF's do. Read that again. Nothing will change that in 99.9% of cases. That's the bottom line. It might be hard (aww, and being a body builder is so fucking cake), but it can be done.
 
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I AGREE THERE IS TOO MUCH HATRED AND I GENERALLY LIVE AND LET LIVE. HOWEVER IT DOES FROST ME WHEN AN OVERWEIGHT PERSON "SITS" IN MY AIRPLANE SEAT. THIS HAS ONLY HAPPENED ONCE BUT IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ALL CONCERNED. I NEVER SAID A THING BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO EMBARRASS THE LADY (SHE WAS NICE, TOO). BUT DANG IT, WHY SHOULD I SUFFER BECAUSE SHE IS OBESE???
 
I get what p0ink is saying, all right.

I just find very little of it I agree with.

I also find that he misses the point of some of what I say.

I've addressed most of Mad Hatter's comments already, so I won't repeat myself.

But how many fat folk do you know? Yeah, I know a few who aren't doing anything. I also personally know many who are doing quite a bit, and being frustrated by lack of progress, or by weight regain even though they are still following their program and have lost many inches and pounds. (No, these people aren't doing weights to my knowledge.) To their credit, they haven't quit out of frustration yet. Many do.

I do not yell at my obese brother who doesn't eat right and work out, because I know the situation and know it won't help.

You folk keep saying: If your program isn't working for you, change it. Well, why don't you take your own advice? Yelling YFF at fat people isn't helping motivate most of them and just makes them hate themselves and you even more, and then they are even more immobilized. It also promotes the view that fat people are more like animals than people, and should be treated as such.

If it isn't working, how about changing it???

How does hating people for the way they look, and telling them in no uncertain terms, do any good???

One thing NAAFA works on is getting better seating made, so prices are fair and seating is comfortable for all. Until there are no fat people, it seems like a good idea to me.
 
BTW, Hoss, thank you for being a gentleman in that situation.

I'm quite sure that that lady was aware of the problem, and I'm betting she was already embarrassed, whether she showed it or not.

All fat people know they're fat, and they know when they have a problem fitting somewhere and cause someone else an inconvenience. It isn't news. The latest statistics on how many people are on diets in this country at any one time show that SOMEone is trying to do SOMEthing. Maybe it's the wrong thing, but people do care.
 
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