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The Clen/T3 stack down low!!!

PCfuzz said:
My thyroid starter is the hormone that tells the body to produce thyroid.
And no it's not the T3 that caused the blockage, it was not taking in any fiber.

Thanx
PCfuzz
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How are you feeling now, you up your fiber?
 
PCfuzz said:
I'm still blocked and in pain. The doc told me 2 more days and then I might have to have surgery. Going to bed now.


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PCfuzz
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Hmm you know I have , maybe stupidly, done keto dieting with practically no fiber at all for maye a week at a time a couple of times and have never had anything like that happen to me.

I think something is going on with your digestive system that may need looking into after this all passes.
 
PCfuzz said:
I'm still blocked and in pain. The doc told me 2 more days and then I might have to have surgery. Going to bed now.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Well you better increase your fiber intake a lot. Has he suggested stronger laxatives?
 
PCfuzz said:
Not yet. I'm waiting 1 more day to call and find out what to do next.


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PCfuzz
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Keep me updated. I want to see you get better.

I'm hoping you've increased your fiber intake already.

When you call ask for a powderful laxative. If he ignores you, I'll see if I can help with it.
 
Thank you,but I'm sure he will give me something good. I just don't want to go under the knife. BTW, that thing is called "thyroid sensor". I could remember before so that's why i called it "thyroid starter", cuz that's what it does. So anyway it's my thyroid sensor levels that are very low cuz of the T3. I think it's kind of funny that the doc told me to keep taking T3 but taper it down. LOL


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Hey guys . .this thread was great . . sorry about your situation PC and hope you get better .. i have ordered CLen and T3 and I am excited to get on it. Can I find Taurine at any GNC. The bottles (both Clen and T3)are 100 MCG/ML so starting out at 25 MCG is just 1/4 a ML? I don't really want to lose muscle but losing body fat is most important to me. Stats: 6'4" 215-220. 14% BF .. i actually have abs on top but i have a lil gut going around the bottom I want gone. I will be on some type of protein too. What kind of foods should I be eating carb wise and how much cardio can I do without overdoing. Anyone know how long Clen stays in your system (as far as drug tests go)? Please give me your imput because obviously you all know your shit .. Thanks
 
Wouldn't the infamous big pink bottle and hose fix your back up problem? If an enema doesn't get you going, I don't know what will! I hope you feel better bro.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Wouldn't the infamous big pink bottle and hose fix your back up problem? If an enema doesn't get you going, I don't know what will! I hope you feel better bro.
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LOL, exit only bro. LOL
I'm going to call the doc back tomorrow and see what he says i should do next.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Wouldn't the infamous big pink bottle and hose fix your back up problem? If an enema doesn't get you going, I don't know what will! I hope you feel better bro.
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I thought of that, but it would seem his doctor would recommend this right away if this was an option. Let's see what he tells us tomorrow.
 
MSUBaseball21 said:
Hey guys . .this thread was great . . sorry about your situation PC and hope you get better .. i have ordered CLen and T3 and I am excited to get on it. Can I find Taurine at any GNC. The bottles (both Clen and T3)are 100 MCG/ML so starting out at 25 MCG is just 1/4 a ML? I don't really want to lose muscle but losing body fat is most important to me. Stats: 6'4" 215-220. 14% BF .. i actually have abs on top but i have a lil gut going around the bottom I want gone. I will be on some type of protein too. What kind of foods should I be eating carb wise and how much cardio can I do without overdoing. Anyone know how long Clen stays in your system (as far as drug tests go)? Please give me your imput because obviously you all know your shit .. Thanks
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Your dosages depend on your stack, look at the stacks here and decide.

GNC has Taurine, so does ag-guys here, even the AF store carries some Taurine. Shouldn't be that hard to find.

Your diet is a different story. Read over this thread, there is diet discussion here.
 
msubaseball21 Please Don't jack a thread, aka post in a thread someone else already started. Start your own post and then wait for responses.
 
Well my doc is going to meet me at the hospital in the morning and I hope i'm not there all day but I know i will be. Going to have more tests done, MRI's and scans. Sounds like fun. Anyone want to take my place??? I didn't think so. Lastnight was a MOFO, turned in my sleep and woke up yelling in pain. I better get some drugs tomorrow!!!


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Well my doc is going to meet me at the hospital in the morning and I hope i'm not there all day but I know i will be. Going to have more tests done, MRI's and scans. Sounds like fun. Anyone want to take my place??? I didn't think so. Lastnight was a MOFO, turned in my sleep and woke up yelling in pain. I better get some drugs tomorrow!!!


Thanx
PCfuzz
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I know he has a better remedy for you, keep asking him for something besides cutting you up.
 
I'm going for a CAT scan and i'll keep you up dated.
Can't wait for this to be over so i can do sit-ups again. LOL


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I'm going for a CAT scan and i'll keep you up dated.
Can't wait for this to be over so i can do sit-ups again. LOL


Thanx
PCfuzz
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so, how are you feeling bro? :coffee:
 
Mr.X said:
so, how are you feeling bro? :coffee:
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I'm doing fine now that i have some good meds. But in between the meds...it hurts like hell. And i hate the high feeling i get from the meds. i'm going in for a CAT scan 3-31 and i have to move the day after. thanx for asking bro.
 
PCfuzz said:
I'm doing fine now that i have some good meds. But in between the meds...it hurts like hell. And i hate the high feeling i get from the meds. i'm going in for a CAT scan 3-31 and i have to move the day after. thanx for asking bro.
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Good to hear from you bro. I was a bit worried, but it seems like you're doing better now. Keep posting, I want to hear updates... :coffee:
 
Still in alot of pain but the meds are good. 1 more week til the CAT scan. I just want this pain to go away and find out what it's from. Thanx for thinking of me and i hope to be around for a long time.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Still in alot of pain but the meds are good. 1 more week til the CAT scan. I just want this pain to go away and find out what it's from. Thanx for thinking of me and i hope to be around for a long time.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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HOW YOU FEELIN BUD?
 
PCfuzz said:
Still in alot of pain but the meds are good. 1 more week til the CAT scan. I just want this pain to go away and find out what it's from. Thanx for thinking of me and i hope to be around for a long time.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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let's hear an update, how are you? :coffee:
 
b rad said:
is anyone losing much muscle, or does the clen total save muscle loss?
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Clen is anti-catabolic. You're thinking of T3 in terms of muscle loss.
 
MR X-

How much t3 for my 16 week lean bulker? Im 178 lbs at 17%bf and Im going to do 3500-4000 calories a day (more if you think so needed).

EQ 600mg/week 1-15
test prop 100mg/day 1-16
a-dex .5-1mg eod
 
Mr.X said:
Well, one thing wrong is that you don't actually need such high dosages your first time. Another thing is that you do run the possibility of messing up your thyroid for life, if you misuse thryroid products. Of course, unlikely but can happen if you misuse/abuse the product.

Since this is your first time, start slow and stay on the slow path. You can always bump up on your 2nd cycle. It is a bit conservative, but it'll be better for you in the long run.
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Not trying to sound like I know more than you Mr. X because I definitely don't, but I have seen numerous studies done where patients make a full recovery to normal thyroid function after long term high doses of T3. I believe the long term use was attributed to misdiagnosis of a thyroid problem. Anyways I was under the impression due to those studies that the idea that you could mess your thyroid up for life was more than likely just a myth that came about probably because of the fact that testosterone supplementation will hinder natty test levels and the idea being used for T3 as well. Just wondering if you had any scientific evidence to back it up. Thanks.
 
k6jatu37 said:
MR X-

How much t3 for my 16 week lean bulker? Im 178 lbs at 17%bf and Im going to do 3500-4000 calories a day (more if you think so needed).

EQ 600mg/week 1-15
test prop 100mg/day 1-16
a-dex .5-1mg eod
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You don't need T3 for a 16 week bulker, read this thread....you need diet and cardio. :coffee:
 
k6jatu37 said:
The words I used were "lean bulker" all diet and exercises is good but why no t3?
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A bulking diet doesn't mix with T3. T3 is for losing, you want to gain :coffee:
 
I have read almost every single page on this thread and it has a ton of useful information. I'm about to start my first cycle of t3/clen. What is the best time to take them, am or pm? I read that some say am and some say right before bed. Mr. X, what do you think is the best time to take it. If you are working out in the morning, is it okay to take it right after?
 
kmoney said:
I have read almost every single page on this thread and it has a ton of useful information. I'm about to start my first cycle of t3/clen. What is the best time to take them, am or pm? I read that some say am and some say right before bed. Mr. X, what do you think is the best time to take it. If you are working out in the morning, is it okay to take it right after?
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Definately not at night, even tho some people do, i get jitters etc.. i couldn't imagine trying to sleep on that.
Been on t3 clen on second week and results are awesome. Obliques are finally coming in nice.
I take it in the AM with a shot of OJ, don't taste anything
 
ihulk appreciates this thread, props to PCfuzz for creating it.
Lots of knowledge on clen/t3, taurine, potassium, ECA etc. Been following this thread since Feb but never posted. Bumping to hear about the results from PCfuzz. Hope you came thru alright bro.
 
kmoney said:
Is it better to take clen/t3 on emepty stomach or to eat then take it?
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I haven't had problems either way, i suppose eat a little something cuz lots of people im sure will get stomach aches from nearly anything without food in their system.
 
surferstar said:
I haven't had problems either way, i suppose eat a little something cuz lots of people im sure will get stomach aches from nearly anything without food in their system.
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I try to combine all my orals with food. I get indigestion on an empty stomach. :coffee:
 
b rad said:
would this srack be okay for a female?

maybe half the doses?


thanks guys,
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Tell me more about the female...stats, diet , training etc...
 
dgatehouse said:
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Worse thing is to take too much T3 and then screw up your thyroid and be worse off after the fact.
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I know people have different opinions about screwing up your thyroid from taking T3, but here's something I have seen...a VERY good friend took cytomel (straight from the pharmacy) for 2 years straight ED. Then he just stopped. He's absolutely fine! No side effects. Nothing. Maybe in some people it will screw up and maybe in others it won't. But then again if you don't know of someone first-hand that did screw up their thyroid maybe it is all B.S.

JMO
 
Fitness_Wendy said:
I know people have different opinions about screwing up your thyroid from taking T3, but here's something I have seen...a VERY good friend took cytomel (straight from the pharmacy) for 2 years straight ED. Then he just stopped. He's absolutely fine! No side effects. Nothing. Maybe in some people it will screw up and maybe in others it won't. But then again if you don't know of someone first-hand that did screw up their thyroid maybe it is all B.S.

JMO
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For some, that's going to be true, but for a majority taking T3 for fat-loss purposes - intake needs to be controlled. 4-6 weeks max at a time.
 
sure x,

, i tried your stack, im not try to loose, just trying to mantain post test/fina. clen, to mantain and not loose. t3, to see if i actaully became learn without trying too hard. personally didnt see much results in a short period of time.

but for my girl, i was asking if this would work with the female chemistry or not and if you would just half the doses, my girl just does cardio not much weights and never has tried anthing before.

thanks for asking,
 
i just read all 14 pages......GREAT INFO!!!!! google what??

i will be starting my own clen/t3 questionaire here in a sec.....

not sure about everyone else, but i'm starting to worry PC's surgery didn't go well or something.....i wonder if he thought he could get away with the large doses everyone tried to sway him away from..... :worried:
 
Great info guys,

Hope PC is well -possibly resting.
Thinking about this stack -wondering what percentage of BF people have lost??
 
Wow, what a thread. Bump, and prayers for PC! That's some scary stuff.

GUYS, EAT YOUR FIBER!!! (It makes you poo nicely, and makes you live longer.)
 
jassdhali said:
Great info guys,

Hope PC is well -possibly resting.
Thinking about this stack -wondering what percentage of BF people have lost??
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BF loss will depend on your diet as much as anything else...clen/t3 are just aids.
 
ocisbomb said:
Wow, what a thread. Bump, and prayers for PC! That's some scary stuff.

GUYS, EAT YOUR FIBER!!! (It makes you poo nicely, and makes you live longer.)
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PC never got back to me, I even emailed him... :coffee:
 
ocisbomb said:
Could someone please describe the "crash" that is supposedly had when you come off clen? I'm worried about that.
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Never had a crash, with me or any of my clients, don't worry about it bro.
 
Great Thread, but I still have some questions...
My HX & Stats to help you answer them

Wt:172
BF: 26%
Previously competed in Figure, spent the last year bulking and am having a hard time dropping wt. Haven't touched anything in a year. Previously took, Winny/Van/EQ/Clen stack 2 times...
This extra wt. is killing me emotionally and I've deceided that I'm going to do a cycle of T3 incorpuration of a solid diet and training program, to just get this crap off my body. I'm not sure if I want to jump back on clen with this, for the reason that it made me anxious, which lead to eating.... I'm going to stick with a ECA stack, 5 day weight training split/ 1 hr of cardio 6 days a week, incorpurating intervals. Diet will consist of 6 meals, all 6 wll include 30 grms of protein , and the first three meals 30 grms of complex carbs, 2 fat sources with my last two meals of the day from either PB or almonds.....

I was looking at taper after 50 mcg's.... how many days should I run a good solid cycle....what should I expect form this....Am I looking at a good 10-20 pounds of bf if I stick with my diet and training program? I shoulds also mention that I am currently and have been training and doing an hr of cardio a day and am still at this weight and BF. So really all thats changing is diet abit and adding T3.
 
kethnaab said:
what is the generally accepted "down time" between T3/Clen cycles?
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I usually take the same time off as i took on...there is no real time off protocol for this..but usually i run a cutter and bulker..if i do anything in the bulker is clen added into my pct protocol..but not the T3
 
dutch diva said:
Great Thread, but I still have some questions...
My HX & Stats to help you answer them

Wt:172
BF: 26%
Previously competed in Figure, spent the last year bulking and am having a hard time dropping wt. Haven't touched anything in a year. Previously took, Winny/Van/EQ/Clen stack 2 times...
This extra wt. is killing me emotionally and I've deceided that I'm going to do a cycle of T3 incorpuration of a solid diet and training program, to just get this crap off my body. I'm not sure if I want to jump back on clen with this, for the reason that it made me anxious, which lead to eating.... I'm going to stick with a ECA stack, 5 day weight training split/ 1 hr of cardio 6 days a week, incorpurating intervals. Diet will consist of 6 meals, all 6 wll include 30 grms of protein , and the first three meals 30 grms of complex carbs, 2 fat sources with my last two meals of the day from either PB or almonds.....

I was looking at taper after 50 mcg's.... how many days should I run a good solid cycle....what should I expect form this....Am I looking at a good 10-20 pounds of bf if I stick with my diet and training program? I shoulds also mention that I am currently and have been training and doing an hr of cardio a day and am still at this weight and BF. So really all thats changing is diet abit and adding T3.
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You can run a T3 cycle 8-12 weeks depending on the amounts...I've done 25mcgs of T3 ED for an entire 12 week cycle with NO problems...but I stuck to 25mcgs for this...the wieght loss was gradual but awesome..if your going ot taper it then i would suggest 8 weeks (2 months) .. if your going to stop at 50mcgs then that would be a good length...cant really tell you how much you will loose cause this will depend on YOU, your diet and training and your persistance....good luck.
 
Thanks SF, how's this look?
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 25mcg (one dose in AM)
Day 11-13: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 80mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 46-49: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 50-53: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)
Day 54-57: 12.5mcg (one dose in the AM)
 
dutch diva said:
Thanks SF, how's this look?
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 25mcg (one dose in AM)
Day 11-13: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 80mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 46-49: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 50-53: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)
Day 54-57: 12.5mcg (one dose in the AM)
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Looks good..but personally just split it into AM/PM thats it..not before 6 of course..but no real need to split it so many times..
 
One more question, I have been reading that there are other supplements that u can take during the cycle to aid in the full restoration of your thyroid and prevent down regulation, such as tyrosine,t-100x and guggel's...not even sure what product t-100x is...
 
dutch diva said:
One more question, I have been reading that there are other supplements that u can take during the cycle to aid in the full restoration of your thyroid and prevent down regulation, such as tyrosine,t-100x and guggel's...not even sure what product t-100x is...
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Never done any of that and had no problems..but since they are OTC supplements I wouldnt see it hurting by trying..
 
swordfish151 said:
Never done any of that and had no problems..but since they are OTC supplements I wouldnt see it hurting by trying..
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I have a quesion maybe yo can help me with SF, I posted another link on it and have gotten great fb but I'm wondering what yours or others who may have missed the threads opinion on it is. I have the same pills as in the pic' link below, the seller told me they where 60mcg...I'm thinking they are 25mcg...I want to be careful but also make sure I'm doing a good cycle........what do you think?
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507078
 
Looking for some help! I have tried about 10 days worth of Clen 2 seperate times now. Im told "Man you are gonna see the diff." I dont, and I havent really felt the shakes or the headaches, except maybe 2 times when I hit 60 in the morn and 60 before bed. Now, I have access to oral winny as well the blue pill with 45 stamped on it.
if im 6 foot and 210 and abour 25-28% BF what would you recomemnd. I want to do a full diet and excercise change at the same time, but I could use some info for both clen and win - both oral. Also, a quick brief on Taurine with them would rock! Thanks
 
ARMY said:
Looking for some help! I have tried about 10 days worth of Clen 2 seperate times now. Im told "Man you are gonna see the diff." I dont, and I havent really felt the shakes or the headaches, except maybe 2 times when I hit 60 in the morn and 60 before bed. Now, I have access to oral winny as well the blue pill with 45 stamped on it.
if im 6 foot and 210 and abour 25-28% BF what would you recomemnd. I want to do a full diet and excercise change at the same time, but I could use some info for both clen and win - both oral. Also, a quick brief on Taurine with them would rock! Thanks
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Find a diet you can live with, and keep to it while hitting cardio. After you can committ to the diet/cardio for several months then think about using therms. :jenscat
 
So, from this thread I gather that the suggestion for Clen is 2 weeks on(everyday) 2weeks off... Rather than 2days on 2 off. Is this accurate?
 
stewfoo said:
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Thats hwo I do it, Ill go 3 weeks on max and 2 weeks off. But im not a professional in this matter and would suggest getting more feedback. That was however how I was instructed.
I was told 2-3 weeks on with 3000-4000mg of Taurine daily. then 2 weeks off. I went without the Taurine and I found muscle cramps happenig out of the blue, hell, Id wake up to a charlie horse, and something. Also Taurine affects the T4 or T3 or something. I dont know enough about that to comment though, so I suggest you ask someone about the Taurine affects aiding the T4- T3. It does something to prevent conversion, or something. Ask a pro, they will straighten it out for ya.
 
Sweet mother of all that is pure and sexy, this thread is a goldmine.

I'm monitoring this thread closely, started my 1st spiropent clent cycle yesterday and Im interested in seeing your results with T3, my stats are similar to yours !


Edit: just noticed the dates of original posts were in 2006 :rolleyes: Hope youre doing ok PC
 
tigerlord said:
Sweet mother of all that is pure and sexy, this thread is a goldmine.

I'm monitoring this thread closely, started my 1st spiropent clent cycle yesterday and Im interested in seeing your results with T3, my stats are similar to yours !


Edit: just noticed the dates of original posts were in 2006 :rolleyes: Hope youre doing ok PC
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great read
 
ok ok so i read about 20 pages on this thread lol, so can anyone list a very very very safe dosage of clen/t3 cycle? it seems there are different opinions on here but no one actually laid down a newbie dosage.
 
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