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The Clen/T3 stack down low!!!

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PCfuzz

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This info is all from Mr. X and Swordfish, I just put what they know together and it looks pretty good. Comments are always welcome. And I hope this helps somebody.

CLEN / T3 STACK:

CLEN CYCLE:
30ml @ 200mcg/ml of LiquiClen = 6000mcg/ per bottle

Day 1-2: 20mcg
Day 3-4: 40mcg
Day 5-6: 60mcg
Day 7-9: 80mcg
Day 10-12: 40mcg
Day 13-14: 20mcg

2 weeks ON, 2 weeks OFF CYCLE = 640mcg = 1 Bottle will last 9.3 cycles

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T3 CYCLE:
30ml @ 50mcg/ml of LiquiT3 = 1500mcg/ per bottle

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 125mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

45 DAY CYCLE = 2525mcg = 2 Bottles needed

Try not to take it to close to you workouts due to the "cramping" effect clen has and also dont take it to late either or you wont sleep.Do not take Clen Past 4pm

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle cramps. It's a must with Clen. And also 1000mg of Potassium gluconate.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and completely ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.
If the taste is too strong for you try mixing it with Lemon juice.

AND drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
I'd say you can up the clen depending on your tolerance. For the T3 if it's your first time I wouldn't go that high. T3 is some powerful stuff and it doesn't take much to lose a lot of fat. I'm personally a big fan of it. Best thing out there for losing fat if done right. Again, you should see how your body takes to it.

Worse thing is to take too much T3 and then screw up your thyroid and be worse off after the fact. If you're gonna go that high for the first time make sure to play it safe and get your thyroid level tested before going on it. Then a couple of weeks after you're off of it get your levels tested again to make sure everythings ok. Don't get me wrong I'm a little paranoid when it comes to these things for people on the first couple of tries, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
 
dgatehouse said:
I'd say you can up the clen depending on your tolerance. .
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Increasing clen dosages is not wise for his 1st clen cycle, especially he doesn't know his tolerance.
 
jmt24 said:
whats your stats bro. im goin to be using lclen and its my first time also.
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30 yo
5'9"
205lbs
20-25%BF(not sure)

My peak was when i was 25yo,5'9",172lbs,12%BF measured at the club.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
30 yo
5'9"
205lbs
20-25%BF(not sure)

My peak was when i was 25yo,5'9",172lbs,12%BF measured at the club.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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how long have you been dieting? at those BF% you could drop down to 15-18% without any stimulants or theromgenics.
 
PCfuzz said:
I didn't start yet. I want to start everything at the same time.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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I would diet down naturally w/o aids to 15% bodyfat first. Also, 20-25% is a fairly large range, can you get tested for the right %?
 
Will do, thanx. If i'm going to record before and after of everything...that would be a good idea.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Thats a pretty high BF...but IF and only IF you do the cycle correctly and stick to a strict diet...you will love the end result...you could diet down naturally to a lower BF but i already have the feeling that your going to go ahead and do the clen/t3...with that said...i wouldnt ramp the t3 so high for your first time...the very first time i ran t3 I didnt go over 25mcgs....that was my entire t3 cycle....just 25mcgs..and i got outstanding results...just be careful.
 
swordfish151 said:
Thats a pretty high BF...but IF and only IF you do the cycle correctly and stick to a strict diet...you will love the end result...you could diet down naturally to a lower BF but i already have the feeling that your going to go ahead and do the clen/t3...with that said...i wouldnt ramp the t3 so high for your first time...the very first time i ran t3 I didnt go over 25mcgs....that was my entire t3 cycle....just 25mcgs..and i got outstanding results...just be careful.
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Any reason why you didn't go over 25mcgs???
And yes i'm going to diet hard but safe and workout very hard.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Any reason why you didn't go over 25mcgs???
And yes i'm going to diet hard but safe and workout very hard.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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swordfish151 makes a good point...You got that T3 run before I knew your stats, you might be better off going up to 50mcg tops.
 
Mr.X said:
swordfish151 makes a good point...You got that T3 run before I knew your stats, you might be better off going up to 50mcg tops.
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What would be wrong with taking more? And if i'm going to go 50 tops, then what should my build up and down look like???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
What would be wrong with taking more? And if i'm going to go 50 tops, then what should my build up and down look like???


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Well, one thing wrong is that you don't actually need such high dosages your first time. Another thing is that you do run the possibility of messing up your thyroid for life, if you misuse thryroid products. Of course, unlikely but can happen if you misuse/abuse the product.

Since this is your first time, start slow and stay on the slow path. You can always bump up on your 2nd cycle. It is a bit conservative, but it'll be better for you in the long run.
 
So if 50mcg is going to be my peak for my 1st cycle. What would my build up and down look like???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Vets with clen/t3:

Would you guys recommend a small dosage of gear to keep from losing too much muscle? I need to cut my belly fat and clen/t3 is my next "stack". I've been off of gear for about 6 months now. Who knows, maybe I'll just run a full Test/EQ cycle with this.
 
PCfuzz said:
So if 50mcg is going to be my peak for my 1st cycle. What would my build up and down look like???



Thanx
PCfuzz
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12.5--25--50--25--12.5
 
PCfuzz said:
Any reason why you didn't go over 25mcgs???
And yes i'm going to diet hard but safe and workout very hard.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Because it was my first time with the drug and felt that my body wouldnt need to go that high..so i stuck with 25mcgs throughout...worked better then i thought...im sure if i had bumped it and rammped it i would have gotten better results BUT...we must crawl before we can walk....
 
Thanx again guys. I'm going to do that 12.5--25--50--25--12.5 and maybe my 2nd cycle i will be able to walk. LOL
I'm going to order next week but until then...i'm going to read,read,read.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
I found that the best time to take Clen is actually RIGHT before you go to sleep. I don't mean take it, then go to bed an hour, or even 10 minutes later. Just keep it bedside, and as you're about to fall asleep take it then.

It's NEVER uninterrupted my sleep this way, and I don't have the shakes nearly as bad as I did when I was taking it as soon as I woke up. It also works just as well.
 
Pikaberdot said:
I found that the best time to take Clen is actually RIGHT before you go to sleep. I don't mean take it, then go to bed an hour, or even 10 minutes later. Just keep it bedside, and as you're about to fall asleep take it then.

It's NEVER uninterrupted my sleep this way, and I don't have the shakes nearly as bad as I did when I was taking it as soon as I woke up. It also works just as well.
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It's NEVER uninterrupted or interrupted your sleep???
Big differance there. JK LOL
So what did you use to measure it? A needle?


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Where did you get the metered pump???
CVS or just any drug store???


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Just use a syringe to measure, or a slin pin. You can get measuring syringes at any pharmacy, or you can just buy some online.
 
Okay, I have 3 syringes and have 2 questions about them.
1. I see the rubber piece inside is concave, is that to compinsate for what is in the needle part???
2. I'm not injecting with them just using them to measure, so what is the best way to clean the inside of the syringe???

BTW, I won 1st place....5 bottles baby!!!
AG-Guys are the best!!!


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
1. I see the rubber piece inside is concave, is that to compinsate for what is in the needle part???
--you mean the rubber part on top of the pump?

2. I'm not injecting with them just using them to measure, so what is the best way to clean the inside of the syringe???
--use water, suck some in - shake it up , it'll be easy to clean
 
Mr.X said:
1. I see the rubber piece inside is concave, is that to compinsate for what is in the needle part???
--you mean the rubber part on top of the pump?

2. I'm not injecting with them just using them to measure, so what is the best way to clean the inside of the syringe???
--use water, suck some in - shake it up , it'll be easy to clean
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--you mean the rubber part on top of the pump?
The rubber part inside that you use to measure, that makes it suck the liquid in. Sorry i don't know the name yet. Anyway, that piece is not flat across. It curves in and i was thinking that compinsates for the liquid that is in the needle. Is that right???


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
This info is all from Mr. X and Swordfish, **********************

T3 CYCLE:
30ml @ 50mcg/ml of LiquiT3 = 1500mcg/ per bottle

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 125mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

45 DAY CYCLE = 2525mcg = 2 Bottles needed

I think this is crazy??? Mr. X and swordfish..what is going on? Jumping 25mcg a clip and then going over 100mcg isn't wise for a vet let a alone a newbie. This is a dangerous post.
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halfaclue read where he is suggested to stick to 12.5-50mcg T3 split

this is a general T3 run from my NSNFFD
 
Yes, please read the whole thread. If you read the whole thread you will see how I learned more about them and what is best for somebody starting out(noobie).


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Just want to clarify that my post was based on reading the first post. I since re-read the entire thing and saw that both Mr.X and swordfish came through with great advice. That first post was frightening to think about a newbies going right into thos dosages.

PC..you using any AAS?
 
halfaclue said:
Just want to clarify that my post was based on reading the first post. I since re-read the entire thing and saw that both Mr.X and swordfish came through with great advice. That first post was frightening to think about a newbies going right into thos dosages.

PC..you using any AAS?
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No, i'm going to get my BF down and then I think i'm going to do only 1 cycle.
I don't want to get really big, just want to be cut @ 180-200lbs. Like i said before, I hope this thread helps some noobies out with doses and how to measure the right way.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
I was not joking about reading everyday. This is what i found today and it looks like some good info about T3.

Cytomel® (liothyronine sodium)

Cytomel® is the popularly recognized brand name for the drug liothyronine sodium. This is not an anabolic steroid but a thyroid hormone. It is used medically to treat cases of thyroid insufficiency, obesity, certain metabolic disorders and fatigue. Specifically this drug is a pharmaceutical preparation of the natural thyroid hormone triiodothyronine (T-3). When administered, Cytomel® increases the patient's metabolism. The result is an increased rate of cellular activity (noted by a more rapid utilization of carbohydrates, fats and proteins). Bodybuilders are particularly attracted to this drug for its ability to burn off body excess fat. Most often utilized during contest preparation, one can greatly decrease the amount of stored fat without being forced to severely restrict calories. To this end Cytomel® is commonly used in conjunction with Clenbuterol and can produce extremely dramatic results. This combination has become very popular in recent years, no doubt responsible for many "ripped" on-stage physiques. It is also noted by many that when thyroid hormones are taken in conjunction with steroids, an increased anabolic effect can be seen (noticeably greater than if the steroids are used alone). This is likely due to faster utilization of proteins by the body, increasing the rate for new muscle accumulation.

One should take caution if considering using this drug. Cytomel® comes with an extensive list of warnings and precautions which are not to be ignored. Side effects include, but are not limited to, heart palpitations, agitation, shortness of breath, irregular heartbeat, sweating, nausea, headaches, and psychic/metabolic disorders. It is a powerful hormone, and one that could potentially alter the normal functioning of the body if misused. When administering Cytomel®, one must remember to increase the dosage slowly. Generally one 25mcg tablet is taken on the first day, and the dosage is thereafter increased by one tablet every three of four days for a maximum dosage of 100mcg. This will help the body adjust to the increased thyroid hormone, hopefully avoiding any sudden "shock" to the system. The daily dose is also to be split evenly throughout the day, in an effort to keep blood levels steadier. Women are more sensitive to the side effects of Cytomel® than men, and usually opt to take no more than 50mcg daily.

It is important to stress that a cycle should last no longer than 6 weeks and it should never be halted abruptly. As slowly as the dosage was built up it should also be lowered, one tablet every 3-4 days. Taking Cytomel® for too long and/or at too high a dosage can result in a permanent thyroid deficiency. After doing such, one might need to be treated with a drug like Cytomel® for life. It is also a good idea to first consult your physician and have your thyroid function tested. An undiagnosed hyperfunction would not mix well with the added hormone. An athlete should also be sure never to purchase an injectable form of the drug. It is generally an emergency room product, much too powerful for athletic use. Since T-3 is the most powerful thyroid hormone athletes are using, this is generally not the starting point for a beginner. Before using such a powerful item, it is a good idea to become familiar with a weaker substance. The highly popular Triacana is very mild, allowing the user much more latitude (from severe side effects) than Cytomel®. An in-between point is Synthroid (synthetic T-4), still weaker in action than Cytomel®. Once the user is ready however, the fat burning effect of this hormone can be extremely dramatic.




Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
--you mean the rubber part on top of the pump?
The rubber part inside that you use to measure, that makes it suck the liquid in. Sorry i don't know the name yet. Anyway, that piece is not flat across. It curves in and i was thinking that compinsates for the liquid that is in the needle. Is that right???
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You should not pat attention to the "rubber stopper" on top. When the liquid hits the #ml line you need, that's your dosage. So if it's 1/8ml, that's what you pull out. The easiest way to make sure you have no product in the pin left is to remove it, and just squirt the product out of the pump directly into some juice.
 
Well I've read some pretty interesting comments here and I'm just a little confused, so I'll just add my 0.02. First off your body should produce 25mgs of T-3 naturally, so doinf a cycle of only 25mgs throughout seems pointless. Swordfish, I know you said that you got really good results but maybe it was just from a really good strict diet and consistant cardio.

As for the rest of the advice in regards to the extra vitamins and minerals they are dead bang on and must be followed. One last thing, for anyone who uses T-3 and who wants to be sure about their thyroid after can take a Guggulsterone product for 2 weeks just to be sure and then you can get blood test results to see if all is back to normal.

Good luck guys!
 
PCfuzz said:
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Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
...

Thanx
PCfuzz
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DAMN! That answers a question that relates to my last blood test.

Everything checked out normal except for my TSH levels - it was high. I used Clen for PCT and I did get Taurine but didn't start using it until after the first week. I now have a jug of bulk Taurine though.

Excellent post! Karma on the way!
 
Mr.X said:
looks like you went platinum bro ;) welcome to the club.
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It's only for a week, but i think i'm going to make it longer.
Alot of things that come with platinum are sweet!!!


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
It's only for a week, but i think i'm going to make it longer.
Alot of things that come with platinum are sweet!!!


Thanx
PCfuzz
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I sent you that coupon, did you get it?
 
Yes i did and thanx. I'm going to wait for my income tax check(2 weeks).
But i still would like that banner. LOL
 
PCfuzz said:
Yes i did and thanx. I'm going to wait for my income tax check(2 weeks).
But i still would like that banner. LOL
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awesome! great to see you supporting EliteFitness bro ;)
 
Just ordered my T3 today and should start my cycle Monday. I will have weekly reports every Monday. Thanx again Mr.X,Swordfish,EF and everyone else.
Now i'll see how good this stack is!!!
 
PCfuzz said:
Just ordered my T3 today and should start my cycle Monday. I will have weekly reports every Monday. Thanx again Mr.X,Swordfish,EF and everyone else.
Now i'll see how good this stack is!!!
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no problem bro ;)
 
Well here is what i'm doing for the T3.
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 80mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

Is that a safe way to go for your 1st time???


thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Well here is what i'm doing for the T3.
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 80mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

Is that a safe way to go for your 1st time???


thanx
PCfuzz
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I see you modified your last T3 run, have you seen my suggestion

12.5--25--50--25--12.5
You can redo this for 30 days and peak at 50mcg.
 
Well with this 1 peaking at 125 and you guys saying that would be too much for the 1st timer.
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 125mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

I just came up with that 1 that peaked at 80, thinking that was alot lower than 125.
And being so much less, hopefully it's safe.
 
PCfuzz said:
I just came up with that 1 that peaked at 80, thinking that was alot lower than 125.
And being so much less, hopefully it's safe.
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Redo that to peak at 50, it's your first time you'll get good results with 50mcg bro.
 
This was a pretty informative post. I am looking to do a clen/t3 run with my next test/eq/anavar cycle. This would be my first time using clen and t3 so just a quick question: I can run the t3 for 30-45 days straight while going 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off of clen? I wasnt planning on going over 50mcg my first time with t3 anyways but i just wanna make sure its ok to overlap the two.
 
boston789 said:
This was a pretty informative post. I am looking to do a clen/t3 run with my next test/eq/anavar cycle. This would be my first time using clen and t3 so just a quick question: I can run the t3 for 30-45 days straight while going 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off of clen? I wasnt planning on going over 50mcg my first time with t3 anyways but i just wanna make sure its ok to overlap the two.
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Yes you can actually run the t3 straight and run the clen on and off...this is how i did my first cycle (GUESS, you are correct that 25mgs throughout was low and i got great results because of diet and cardio..but like i said it was my first time with it so i didnt feel or want to jump in head first...that was a long time ago :) so i ramp above that now)
 
PCfuzz follow Mr.X's recommendation...peak at 50 for your first time...You will see you wont need to go higher then that for your first time...dont be impatient and be safe.
 
boston789 said:
This was a pretty informative post. I am looking to do a clen/t3 run with my next test/eq/anavar cycle. This would be my first time using clen and t3 so just a quick question: I can run the t3 for 30-45 days straight while going 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off of clen? I wasnt planning on going over 50mcg my first time with t3 anyways but i just wanna make sure its ok to overlap the two.
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Clen+T3 is one of the most effective stacks for fat-loss.

Here's a good run:
week 1-2: clen + T3
week 3-4: stimulant-x+T3 (you can also run Trex in lieu of stim-x)
week 5-6: clen + T3
week 7-8: stimulatn-x

You can go with either 30 or 45d on T3, this is based on 45days.
 
So would you say this is alright?

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
So would you say this is alright?

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)


Thanx
PCfuzz
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that's much better bro... :coffee:
 
good stuff
 
kethnaab said:
perhaps he was under the influence of some form of psychoactive medication at the time he wrote that?
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lol, I thought this whole thread was about clen/t3 :p
 
TexasBB said:
is it best to stack clen and t3 or can you take them individually and still have an effective result?
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Ideally, you would stack the 2 together.
 
PCfuzz said:
So would you say this is alright?

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)


Thanx
PCfuzz
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This is the schedule I have planned for when I feel I am ready for T3 (next time :evil: ). So it looks good to me :)
 
I know what you guys are going to say but i feel as tho i will be alright with this cycle for T3.
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 80mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

It just looks right to me and we will see.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
Im gonna do something similiar to my test/eq/var cycle in the spring. Im gonna run the t3/clen the last month and half. Im gonna use ag guys stuff. Anybody else use both their T3 and clen simultaneously with good results? Im assuming theres gotta be a few....
 
PCfuzz said:
I know what you guys are going to say but i feel as tho i will be alright with this cycle for T3.
Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 80mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 70mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 60mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

It just looks right to me and we will see.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Think about it, if 25mcg is normal, then 50 is double your normal natural thyroid output. That's pretty high. And like Swordfish said, he even had great results on only 25mcg. You'd think that 25 would have only replaced his natural levels and done him no good, or that his results were placebo -- but the thing is, when you are in a hypocaloric environment your natural T3 levels drop. That's why it can get so hard to lose fat even when you severely drop calories... So Swordfish's T3 levels (his first run) were at the same level they would be at as if he were bulking! But he was on a sharp diet (hypocaloric). His T3 levels did not match his caloric intake. In other words, it was not natural for him to have a "normal" BMR. That's why he had such good results.

I'm not telling you not to try going up to 80mcg your first run. I just want you to be aware of these facts so things work out good for you. I mean after all, you body may react to 80mcg in a very muscle-depleting way. Usually it's only after a cycle that you can accurately review how things went. So just pay close attention if you go that high without knowing how you respond. The more I think about it, I may only go up to 30-40mcg my first time...

Good luck!
 
I strongly believe that the whole endo/ecto, hardgainer/easygainer thing is directly related to your natural thyroid levels. So if you are a natural endo with a slow metabolism, you probably don't need much T3 to go beyond your natty levels and see reults with a good diet. That is probably the case for most of the guys who even consider running Clen/T3. If you have naturally high thyroid and fatloss is easy for you with just a minor change in diet, T3 is the last thing on your mind :) . Its really the competitors that are trying to get to super-low BF that might benefit from higher doses IMO.
 
Thank you guys for all the info.
I just wanted to know something else, how long should i wait to start the 2nd cycle?
I was thinking a month.
 
how does T3 make you feel? alone shaky? is it uncomforable?

I have used clen a few times.. cramps and little shaky..
but wondering about T3 and if the compo would make u jump around :D
 
Extra_Strong said:
how does T3 make you feel? alone shaky? is it uncomforable?

I have used clen a few times.. cramps and little shaky..
but wondering about T3 and if the compo would make u jump around :D
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I don't feel anything with T3. I took 1/2cc lastnight at 8pm and sleep was not a problem.
 
Extra_Strong said:
have you started the clen yet?
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I started my cycle last week. I'm going down on the clen now. I hit 80mcg and it was too much so for the other 2 days i just did 60 and today i did 40. My clen cycle will end on sunday.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
i've been on the clen for almost two weeks, slowly increasing dosage up to about 80mcg today. i also started T3 today at 25mcg. i can hardly type i am so wired. talk about the shakes...
 
TexasBB said:
i've been on the clen for almost two weeks, slowly increasing dosage up to about 80mcg today. i also started T3 today at 25mcg. i can hardly type i am so wired. talk about the shakes...
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Clen should only be run for 2 weeks and you should work your way up, then down.
And you think your wired, try taking Creatine with Clen. LOL
I'm taking Creatine to help stop muscle loss with the T3 and man i'm feeling it.
I think that's why when i hit 80mcg i thought i was going to have a heart attack.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Clen should only be run for 2 weeks and you should work your way up, then down.
And you think your wired, try taking Creatine with Clen. LOL
I'm taking Creatine to help stop muscle loss with the T3 and man i'm feeling it.
I think that's why when i hit 80mcg i thought i was going to have a heart attack.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Have you thought about adding in an ECA stack during the 2weeks of clen?
 
Extra_Strong said:
Have you thought about adding in an ECA stack during the 2weeks of clen?
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No i have not and i really have not seen any around. PM me if you know a safe spot.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
I started my cycle last week. I'm going down on the clen now. I hit 80mcg and it was too much so for the other 2 days i just did 60 and today i did 40. My clen cycle will end on sunday.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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You should read Anthony Roberts findings on clen. He pretty much says that if you use Benadryl at 50-100mg right before bed during every 3rd week while on clen that you won't have to come off clen for up to 12 weeks. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=129700&page=1&highlight=benadryl If you scroll down to his posts, you can read it for yourself.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460435 There's another.
 
Yea i saw that before but i really don't know who Anthony Roberts is.
And i looked all around for info on Clen and he is the only 1 that says that.
Just not too sure about it and that's why i'm going to stick with 2 on-2 off.
Thanx for your help and intrest tho. K 2 ya


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
Yea i saw that before but i really don't know who Anthony Roberts is.
And i looked all around for info on Clen and he is the only 1 that says that.
Just not too sure about it and that's why i'm going to stick with 2 on-2 off.
Thanx for your help and intrest tho. K 2 ya


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Well I'll be using his theory, so I'll let you know how it goes. I've laid out my plan of attack at http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461097
 
PCfuzz said:
Yea i saw that before but i really don't know who Anthony Roberts is.
And i looked all around for info on Clen and he is the only 1 that says that.
Just not too sure about it and that's why i'm going to stick with 2 on-2 off.
Thanx for your help and intrest tho. K 2 ya


Thanx
PCfuzz
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The idea that certain anti-histamines will up-regulate the receptors has been around awhile. Some people use Ketotifen, some use Benedryl, etc. I've tried Ketotifen w/Clen and I can say that for me it makes the effects of clen seem stronger so I have to use less.
 
mendo said:
The idea that certain anti-histamines will up-regulate the receptors has been around awhile. Some people use Ketotifen, some use Benedryl, etc. I've tried Ketotifen w/Clen and I can say that for me it makes the effects of clen seem stronger so I have to use less.
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By stronger do you mean more shakes and did you use the AG's L-Clen(the strong stuff)???
And you say that you had to use less but what he was saying was that adding Benedryl, you can use clen for longer than 2 weeks.


Thanx
PCfuzz
 
PCfuzz said:
By stronger do you mean more shakes and did you use the AG's L-Clen(the strong stuff)???
And you say that you had to use less but what he was saying was that adding Benedryl, you can use clen for longer than 2 weeks.


Thanx
PCfuzz
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Yeah it was liquiclen. I know you're supposed to not have to cycle off clen when on the anti-histamines, but I've never tried that. As far as feeling the clen stronger I was just telling you that I did notice something, so there may be some truth to what Anthony Roberts said. There are lots of theories about this stuff, but I think hearing peoples experiences means a lot more.
 
mendo, give exacts if you don't mind. ;)

looking to hit this up.

were you taking benadryl daily? doses? how much clen did you end up taking to get the "desired" effect?
 
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