Test result and PCT advice

[brownbrown]

It seems pretty obvious to me now that this forum's primarily and perhaps only goal is to market the products of it's sponsors. I see tons of information on here in which it is claimed that clomid and nolva do not work, but that the over-the-counter products sold by sponsors do work. Of course, this is contrary to all medical studies. In fact, thee are no medical studies on the products sold by sponsors on here. Also, the majority of comments given on this forum regarding PCT are contrary to the test results I have provided here. After 4-5 weeks of PCT, I was back to normal, which just happens to agree with every medical study I have read on hypogondal males.

I plan to not read from these forums anymore. It seems the best PCT is a properly planned, low dose, short cycle, similar to what bodybuilders used decades ago. But, again this is not what is presented on this forum. The solution given here seems to be to always take more drugs.

Not really bro, but if thats how you feel then to each his own.
heres a few reads for ya
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...apy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/recovery-steroid-cycle-isnt-just-pct-746147.html

Aside from the plugs for certain supplements. its good info...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've been reading these boards for a while, but this is my first post.

I did a cycle of (second cycle):
250 mg Test Cyp per week
400 mg Primobolan Depot per week
10 weeks total

Prior to taking drugs, my total test results were consistently between 500 and 650 for the same lab, Labcorp. I am 31, and have worked out for 17 years, and am 5'7", 195 lb, probably 9 % bodyfat, although the water retention has masked this some.

My planned PCT is as follows:
nolvadex - 20/20/20/20
clomid - 100/100/100/50
aromasin - 25/25/25/12.5
milk thistle, saw palmetto, vitamin C
HCG = 250 IU, every 3 days for the first 2-3 weeks (I didn't start HCG until after my first test result)

I've taken HCG once before at 500 IU every other day, and by the second week, my chest was quite swollen with fluid and enlarged breast tissue. That is why I am taking so little, and why I was hesitant to use it.

I had a test done after 10 days of pct and the results were:
total test = 130 ng/dl (reference: 249 - 836)
prolactin = 5.9 ng/ml (4.0 - 15.2)
prostate-specific AG = 0.6 ng/ml (0.0 - 4.0)
SHBG = 16.7 nmol/l (14.5 - 48.4)

I felt horrible during the first 2 weeks of PCT: headaches, water retention, swollen ankles, fatigue, inability to concentrate.

I had another test done after 3 weeks of PCT
total test = 354 ng/dl (reference: 249 - 836)
FSH = 3.5 mIU/ml (1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol = 23 pg/ml (7.6 - 42.6)

This test was taken with a 2 day break from HCG at 250 IU.

I feel much better now. I am getting morning wood, although my sex drive is still lower than normal. My ankles have no swelling, and my water retention has decreased everywhere except my love handles and my chest. I am still not as energetic as I usually am.

Also, just 2 days ago I started taking 2 pills of Lean Xtreme per day, since I considered that my cortisol is probably high (I should have tested it, I know), which could contribute to the fatigue and water retention I believe.

So, it seems like I am making progress. I plan to get a test again in another 2 weeks, and then another test around a month or 2 after PCT.

Are they any adjustments that you guys would recommend for my PCT?
Does my progress seem reasonable?
Are there other tests you'd recommend?
Does my estradiol seem good?
My FSH seems low, but that could be due to the HCG. What do you think?

I know my tests may seem weird, since they are different and exclude other important hormones. But, that is how prepaidlab sells them. They have a more complete test, but it is around $240.

Thank you!

Clomid and nolva will do that. Go with the UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE and five it time.

 

[Nelson Montana]

tell me about it bro. a good rule of thumb for pct's stick with the tried and true. while some of the OTC prohormones work, the OTC pcts are garbage. for that matter even the PHs are horrible for you. these manufacturers and their reps dont care what the side effects are nor their efficacy because they'll just relabel and remarket the same garbage next year. then roll out high-dollar ads in mags and hire some pros to tell you they use their b.s.

This is a completely ignorant statement.


First off, there is no "tried and true" PCT drugs. None of thsoe drugs were designed for PCT.

Secondly, me and needto don't sell standard products, we design them specifically for a purpose.

Third, no pros doing any endorsing here. Just people who've actually used the products.

So you're wrong on all 3 counts.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It seems pretty obvious to me now that this forum's primarily and perhaps only goal is to market the products of it's sponsors. I see tons of information on here in which it is claimed that clomid and nolva do not work, but that the over-the-counter products sold by sponsors do work. Of course, this is contrary to all medical studies. In fact, thee are no medical studies on the products sold by sponsors on here. Also, the majority of comments given on this forum regarding PCT are contrary to the test results I have provided here. After 4-5 weeks of PCT, I was back to normal, which just happens to agree with every medical study I have read on hypogondal males.

I plan to not read from these forums anymore. It seems the best PCT is a properly planned, low dose, short cycle, similar to what bodybuilders used decades ago. But, again this is not what is presented on this forum. The solution given here seems to be to always take more drugs.

I'm confused. The clomid made you feel like shit but the UNLEASHED helped. And you're praising the drugs and complaining about the supps? What the fuck...?

 

[Judo Tom]

I used to recover in 5-6 weeks using NOTHING. my pct was creatine and eating like a pig to not lose muscle.

I then switched to nolva only. That helped a bit to be honest. I would take it for 5 weeks. After a few more cycles I started adding in hcg and clomid. Worst mistake of my life. it doesnt work for me. Makes things worse for me by far. I actually went back to using nothing for a while. After that I went back to nolva only because that is all that ever helped. Now things are different. try it for yourself.

next time you cycle do the same tests but take formastanzol/unleashed and post cycle and see if you recover better than you did this time.

that will tell you what works best for you.

 

[needtogetaas]

I really am getting sick of this agenda attack that has been going on the past couple of months. So I am just going to expose the 1 trouble maker in this thread.

1. conan90 and gear90 are the same person.
2. kdex is also ^^^ the same person.
3. I would not doubt at all if he was also that other guy that was doing the same shit the other day nelson. BUt through IP checks
and other ways I can only prove that the 3 above people are the same person......

This is just pathetic. I have no clue what you agenda is conan90 ( or who ever poster you started out as 20 names registered to your account and counting). But its simple pathatic
That you would create accounts like this to make a thread like this and make it all seem real. Then create Alter accounts to come and talk to your self in your threads?
I checked your ip addresses, email addresses and other info too. You never ordered unleashed and post cycle or hcgenerate. In fact you have never ordered anything from any
sponsor of this site I had 4 of them that I am close with cross check all of your information.

Your entire store is a lie from start to finish. A elaborate fabricated story that spans for months involving several accounts on this site. Who has the time to invest into this worthless
shit and why??? Well I know who and it all started about the same time this person started coming around the forums again. I will be speaking with the owners . Trust me friend I
am compiling a list of evidence ( not that I even need to you know I don't lol) but just to have the truth and facts for my self and others I am making my list and checking it twice.
Then when I am dont and feel I have collected enough I will put together a nice Article about it all for public enjoyment so everyone can see what you are really all about.

For now I will play your little game and just call you out every time I see these elaborate lies unfold. What a pathetic person you are and same for the person behind all this.
Get a life for real........You been spotted, called out ( again) and its getting old. Grow up!!!
We are trying to help people on this site. We enjoy debate of all kinds but this childish lies, stories, alter accounts and shit is disgusting!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I really am getting sick of this agenda attack that has been going on the past couple of months. So I am just going to expose the 1 trouble maker in this thread.

1. conan90 and gear90 are the same person.
2. kdex is also ^^^ the same person.
3. I would not doubt at all if he was also that other guy that was doing the same shit the other day nelson. BUt through IP checks
and other ways I can only prove that the 3 above people are the same person......

This is just pathetic. I have no clue what you agenda is conan90 ( or who ever poster you started out as 20 names registered to your account and counting). But its simple pathatic
That you would create accounts like this to make a thread like this and make it all seem real. Then create Alter accounts to come and talk to your self in your threads?
I checked your ip addresses, email addresses and other info too. You never ordered unleashed and post cycle or hcgenerate. In fact you have never ordered anything from any
sponsor of this site I had 4 of them that I am close with cross check all of your information.

Your entire store is a lie from start to finish. A elaborate fabricated story that spans for months involving several accounts on this site. Who has the time to invest into this worthless
shit and why??? Well I know who and it all started about the same time this person started coming around the forums again. I will be speaking with the owners . Trust me friend I
am compiling a list of evidence ( not that I even need to you know I don't lol) but just to have the truth and facts for my self and others I am making my list and checking it twice.
Then when I am dont and feel I have collected enough I will put together a nice Article about it all for public enjoyment so everyone can see what you are really all about.

For now I will play your little game and just call you out every time I see these elaborate lies unfold. What a pathetic person you are and same for the person behind all this.
Get a life for real........You been spotted, called out ( again) and its getting old. Grow up!!!
We are trying to help people on this site. We enjoy debate of all kinds but this childish lies, stories, alter accounts and shit is disgusting!!

That's what I call getting your ass owned.

In a way, it's a compliment. When people have to lie to try to bash a product it shows that they're afraid it works. HCGenerate, UNLEASHED and BRIDGE are changing the face of the way people do PCT. And people who sell crap recovery supplements know they're getting their ass handed to them and they don't like it.