Test result and PCT advice

[conan90]

I've been reading these boards for a while, but this is my first post.

I did a cycle of (second cycle):
250 mg Test Cyp per week
400 mg Primobolan Depot per week
10 weeks total

Prior to taking drugs, my total test results were consistently between 500 and 650 for the same lab, Labcorp. I am 31, and have worked out for 17 years, and am 5'7", 195 lb, probably 9 % bodyfat, although the water retention has masked this some.

My planned PCT is as follows:
nolvadex - 20/20/20/20
clomid - 100/100/100/50
aromasin - 25/25/25/12.5
milk thistle, saw palmetto, vitamin C
HCG = 250 IU, every 3 days for the first 2-3 weeks (I didn't start HCG until after my first test result)

I've taken HCG once before at 500 IU every other day, and by the second week, my chest was quite swollen with fluid and enlarged breast tissue. That is why I am taking so little, and why I was hesitant to use it.

I had a test done after 10 days of pct and the results were:
total test = 130 ng/dl (reference: 249 - 836)
prolactin = 5.9 ng/ml (4.0 - 15.2)
prostate-specific AG = 0.6 ng/ml (0.0 - 4.0)
SHBG = 16.7 nmol/l (14.5 - 48.4)

I felt horrible during the first 2 weeks of PCT: headaches, water retention, swollen ankles, fatigue, inability to concentrate.

I had another test done after 3 weeks of PCT
total test = 354 ng/dl (reference: 249 - 836)
FSH = 3.5 mIU/ml (1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol = 23 pg/ml (7.6 - 42.6)

This test was taken with a 2 day break from HCG at 250 IU.

I feel much better now. I am getting morning wood, although my sex drive is still lower than normal. My ankles have no swelling, and my water retention has decreased everywhere except my love handles and my chest. I am still not as energetic as I usually am.

Also, just 2 days ago I started taking 2 pills of Lean Xtreme per day, since I considered that my cortisol is probably high (I should have tested it, I know), which could contribute to the fatigue and water retention I believe.

So, it seems like I am making progress. I plan to get a test again in another 2 weeks, and then another test around a month or 2 after PCT.

Are they any adjustments that you guys would recommend for my PCT?
Does my progress seem reasonable?
Are there other tests you'd recommend?
Does my estradiol seem good?
My FSH seems low, but that could be due to the HCG. What do you think?

I know my tests may seem weird, since they are different and exclude other important hormones. But, that is how prepaidlab sells them. They have a more complete test, but it is around $240.

Thank you!

 

[conan90]

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[conan90]

Update:

I took 500 IU of HCG yesterday. My water retention has decreased a good bit since my post. Also, my testicles feel close to normal size.

Right now, I am planning the following:

- 1 or 2 more doses of HCG at 500 IU every 3 days.
- extending my PCT to 6 weeks ( I am in day 3 of week 4 now). Ramping my dosages of clomid and aromasin down during the last 2 weeks.
- taking a test booster for 5 weeks after PCT. I have the original Androbolix, and it worked well for me in the past.

So, please someone reply. I would love to benefit from the wisdom of this community.

I was also hoping that my pct and test results could contribute to the knowledge on this board, and help other people. It seems that people rarely post lab results throughout their PCT as I am doing. I will post my upcoming lab results as well.

 

[conan90]

I guess no one cares to help me. Many people have viewed it. I really thought this thread could be useful for many people. So be it...

 

[gear90]

hey mate i am not the most knowledgeable person on here but i know a little. For the test booster mate i would go with unleashed and pct combo and run 3 pills ed for 4 weeks and see how you feel also. Forma stanzol is another thing to try which is pretty good to run right into your pct. keep posting your results. Cheers

 

[conan90]

Thanks for the info gear90. I just ordered the Unleashed/PCT combo, and some HCGenerate, which I heard good things about. I will use one or both of these as my test booster. I plan to only take the aromasin/nolvadex for another 1.5 weeks. After that, I plan to start the test booster. I am getting my hormones retested next Friday, with a more comprehensive test, which may modify my plan. I will post the results then. I will also get another test probably about 1 month after the end of PCT, which I will post.

I don't like that nolva/clomid reduce IGF-1. Supposedly aromasin doesn't. Those compounds you mentioned seem great since they don't affect IGF-1, and it seems safer, due to less side effects and the fact that it isn't an anti-cancer drug.

I took my last HCG shot yesterday, for a total of 6 doses over 3 weeks. My balls are definitely back to normal size. I also have been feeling pretty good lately, but still not exactly 100%.

 

[conan90]

I just got my 3rd set of test results: this is 2 weeks after the last test, so 5 weeks after I started PCT. I haven't taken clomid, nolvadex, or aromasin in 8 days. Based on the half life of these drugs, and my dosages, I calculated that I have the following amounts remaining in my system: aromasin = 0.8 mg, nolva = 20.95 mg, clomid = 33.73 mg.

Total Test = 647 ng/dl (249 - 836) Very Good!!! (Week 1 = 130 ng/dl and Week 3 = 354 ng/dl)
FSH = 6.8 mIU/ml (1.5 to 12.4)
LH = 7.3 mIU/ml (1.7 to 8.6)
Estradiol = 35.8 pg/ml (7.6 to 42.6) high side

Just 2 days before my tests, I started taking Post Cycle at 3 pills per day, and Unleashed at 3 pills per day. Is this worth doing, or should I just quit taking any drugs now?

So, my HPTA seems to be restored! But, it also seems my estrogen is a little on the high side, which could be why I still don't feel 100%. Any advice?

Thanks.

 

[conan90]

It seems pretty obvious to me now that this forum's primarily and perhaps only goal is to market the products of it's sponsors. I see tons of information on here in which it is claimed that clomid and nolva do not work, but that the over-the-counter products sold by sponsors do work. Of course, this is contrary to all medical studies. In fact, thee are no medical studies on the products sold by sponsors on here. Also, the majority of comments given on this forum regarding PCT are contrary to the test results I have provided here. After 4-5 weeks of PCT, I was back to normal, which just happens to agree with every medical study I have read on hypogondal males.

I plan to not read from these forums anymore. It seems the best PCT is a properly planned, low dose, short cycle, similar to what bodybuilders used decades ago. But, again this is not what is presented on this forum. The solution given here seems to be to always take more drugs.

 

[jpfitpro]

tell me about it bro. a good rule of thumb for pct's stick with the tried and true. while some of the OTC prohormones work, the OTC pcts are garbage. for that matter even the PHs are horrible for you. these manufacturers and their reps dont care what the side effects are nor their efficacy because they'll just relabel and remarket the same garbage next year. then roll out high-dollar ads in mags and hire some pros to tell you they use their b.s.

 

[brownbrown]

tell me about it bro. a good rule of thumb for pct's stick with the tried and true. while some of the OTC prohormones work, the OTC pcts are garbage. for that matter even the PHs are horrible for you. these manufacturers and their reps dont care what the side effects are nor their efficacy because they'll just relabel and remarket the same garbage next year. then roll out high-dollar ads in mags and hire some pros to tell you they use their b.s.

from his post, it seems the Tried and True didnt help him that much JP.
I'm not a rep for anyone, but I Can tell you through expierence... OTC PCTs have worked for me everytime...