Test E and Deca First Cycle

[davenukem]

Hey guys, first post, fist cycle question, typical. I'm about to start my first cycle, I'm 27, 5ft 10, about 165 pounds body fat 13 - 15% range (assumption), about 3 years of actual worth while weight training experience, couple years reasonable to good nutrition, about 3500 calories 350 protein currently.

Week 1 - 10 test e 250
Week 1 - 10 deca 250
Both shots Monday
Week 13 begin pct hcg + nova

Was put on to this cycle by a friends relative, the guy knows his **** been in a few bb comps, is In fully in the whole scene it would seem. Wondering if anybody else has done a similar cycle, I know a lot of people say 500 test but he's, adamant this is the way to go.

Anybody ran a similar cycle before?

Cheers guys!

 

[joonp]

Hey guys, first post, fist cycle question, typical. I'm about to start my first cycle, I'm 27, 5ft 10, about 165 pounds body fat 13 - 15% range (assumption), about 3 years of actual worth while weight training experience, couple years reasonable to good nutrition, about 3500 calories 350 protein currently.

Week 1 - 10 test e 250
Week 1 - 10 deca 250
Both shots Monday
Week 13 begin pct hcg + nova

Was put on to this cycle by a friends relative, the guy knows his **** been in a few bb comps, is In fully in the whole scene it would seem. Wondering if anybody else has done a similar cycle, I know a lot of people say 500 test but he's, adamant this is the way to go.

Anybody ran a similar cycle before?

Cheers guys!

No ai on cycle and ur pct is pretty limited. Ur gonna hear bout this....

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[bonacris]

Hey guys, first post, fist cycle question, typical. I'm about to start my first cycle, I'm 27, 5ft 10, about 165 pounds body fat 13 - 15% range (assumption), about 3 years of actual worth while weight training experience, couple years reasonable to good nutrition, about 3500 calories 350 protein currently.

Week 1 - 10 test e 250
Week 1 - 10 deca 250
Both shots Monday
Week 13 begin pct hcg + nova

Was put on to this cycle by a friends relative, the guy knows his **** been in a few bb comps, is In fully in the whole scene it would seem. Wondering if anybody else has done a similar cycle, I know a lot of people say 500 test but he's, adamant this is the way to go.

Anybody ran a similar cycle before?

Cheers guys!

1. welcome to the site..

2. I would put on another 10lbs naturally before considering AAS.. your still a little bit small

3. Try get your body fat down to 12% most people under estimate their bf so I naturally assume your bf is higher than 15%

4. Deca is a bad choice for a 1st cycle. it is a crazy long ester and can be detected up to over a year after you finish so imagine how long it takes to recover from. Trust me I ran deca my 1st cycle and am still paying for it..

5 your PCT is lacking.. dont run HCG in Pct and nolva with deca is a no no.. nolva isnt enough to recover from a cycle like this..

6. Do you know how to control prolactin and estrogen.


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[motionx77]

anti estrogen and dopa agonists for doses this low are rather useless and potentially harmful (too low estrogen)
these are cruise dosages for bigger guys and cruising dosages also require no ancillaries
op 10 weeks is not enough time for deca to do its magic and your doses look low to me. consider upping the dosage on one of the compounds if you're going to run this

 

[davenukem]

Thanks for the replies!

What exactly do you mean by still paying for it?

Should I not use the hcg at all? General pct advice for test Deca seems to be

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

Is this dude way off with this cycle?

 

[motionx77]

he means to say that his recovery after coming off has been harsh, but generally that happends for an already damaged hpta

 

[davenukem]

anti estrogen and dopa agonists for doses this low are rather useless and potentially harmful (too low estrogen)
these are cruise dosages for bigger guys and cruising dosages also require no ancillaries
op 10 weeks is not enough time for deca to do its magic and your doses look low to me. consider upping the dosage on one of the compounds if you're going to run this

You think maybe see how the first 4 weeks go and up the test to 500? Or just 500 from week 1?

 

[motionx77]

from week one
in that case you might need an ai like aromasin or arimidex
or for the 500mg/wk test you could get away with a low dose (300mg/wk) of masteron to handle the estrogen and for its benefits


i can take 750mg of aromatizable compounds and get a very mild bloat with no signs of gyno but people are diffrent and that's not the case for everyone

 

[-SD-]

At your height I would get up to about 180-185 lbs before hitting the sauce for the first time. I did it that way and glad I did.
Drop the deca altogether, you need to evaluate how your body responds to running just one compound for the first time (the base hormone testosterone). Have an AI on hand but dont use it until you have to because, once again, you dont even know if you need it or not. Some guys need more AI than others. If you use the AI from the start you wont know if you even needed it in the first place. Always do cycles with as little different drugs thrown in as you can get away with.
Raise the test dose to 375/wk for 10 weeks, broken into two equal shots spread out in the week (like Sunday/Wednesday or something)

 

[dylangemelli]

when you are first riding a motorcycle, do you start with a harley davidson or do you get on a starter bike? when you first start playing basketball, do you start out at the three point line or do you work your way out?

so when you are first starting steroids, why in the world would you start with deca, introducing your body to foreign substances that harsh without letting them adapt to other things over periods of times? Do you see where im coming from? you have no business running something like deca on a first cycle... you are already way undersized as it is and could grow a lot more naturally... if your intent on running a cycle, then run test and an oral... you don't ever want to run things like tren and deca on a first cycle... what's your main goal here?

 

[davenukem]

At your height I would get up to about 180-185 lbs before hitting the sauce for the first time. I did it that way and glad I did.
Drop the deca altogether, you need to evaluate how your body responds to running just one compound for the first time (the base hormone testosterone). Have an AI on hand but dont use it until you have to because, once again, you dont even know if you need it or not. Some guys need more AI than others. If you use the AI from the start you wont know if you even needed it in the first place. Always do cycles with as little different drugs thrown in as you can get away with.
Raise the test dose to 375/wk for 10 weeks, broken into two equal shots spread out in the week (like Sunday/Wednesday or something)

Cheers for the advice, will definitely go with the test only and 375 sounds good. I have always been quite light, difficulty putting weight on but loose it in no time, dads the same. I know i could grow more naturally, and im sure a good percentage of users could, but here we are. Most my mates just throw dbol down their throats before a workout, these guys only been training about a year.

 

[buttbeater]

Leave the Deca alone bro! Trust me.

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[RickRock13]

DECA should not be part of a first cycle. Test only with an oral is all you need

You don't want to ever go too little on PCT bro. Here is what I recommend

PCT


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Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
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Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
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Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)

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[Zyglamail]

anti estrogen and dopa agonists for doses this low are rather useless and potentially harmful (too low estrogen)
these are cruise dosages for bigger guys and cruising dosages also require no ancillaries
op 10 weeks is not enough time for deca to do its magic and your doses look low to me. consider upping the dosage on one of the compounds if you're going to run this

I would wager a large majority would need an AI if the goal is to keep estrogen within normal lab range on 250mg/wk of test.

Your blanket assumption that an AI at this dose isnt needed and even dangerous is why we see so many people running around crying they got gyno.

 

[motionx77]

i don't know anyone who takes it but whatever op you have two opinions from two diffrent people, now make your best decision. you might need the ai later anyway so keep it there
if for emergencies have nolva on hand, it's cheap and effective for emergencies (or letro)

 

[Zyglamail]

i don't know anyone who takes it but whatever op you have two opinions from two diffrent people, now make your best decision. you might need the ai later anyway so keep it there
if for emergencies have nolva on hand, it's cheap and effective for emergencies (or letro)

You looking at this as a use or dont use scenario which are not the only points.

And for the record Im not saying blindly use an AI, im saying start at a commonly accepted starting point for your cycle, then get labs a few weeks in and adjust accordingly.

Waiting until you have symptoms of gyno is a piss more methodology for judging need and dose. With lab testing as easy and cheap as they are there are no reasons this all has to be a guessing game.

 

[davenukem]

Muscle gains are the goal! However, i got my stats worked out properly. Height 5'8.4" Weight 168 pounds 21% bf, so yea, a little off with the tape measure!

Decided to run the test e at 500, this seems to be the standard first cycle is there a standard pct? Guy says he never done nolva/clomid just HCG 3 weeks after but im only hearing of guys running it during? Also i hear clomid 4 weeks at 50mg/day is all thats needed but there are so many different opinions, anybody got one thats tried tested and true? Im seeing some people list a ton of things, but what are the real essentials for a test e only cycle? Im not trying to do all this on pennies but im no millionaire!

Haven't began the cycle yet dont plan to until 100% on everything.

 

[bonacris]

At 21% bf you are in no shape to doing steroids.. that %bf and only 168 means you have very little muscle mass.

Not being a cunt but most people will agree

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[davenukem]

At 21% bf you are in no shape to doing steroids.. that %bf and only 168 means you have very little muscle mass.

Not being a cunt but most people will agree

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Ok, i don't mind waiting. What weight should i be at?

 

[bonacris]

1st thing you need to do is get your bodyfat down.. 21% is way to high. Anything under 15 is decent. Under 10 and you're really in control of your diet.. 12% @ 175lbs would be a great starting weight but if you could do that naturally then keep going naturally with out gear until you hit a plateau

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[davenukem]

1st thing you need to do is get your bodyfat down.. 21% is way to high. Anything under 15 is decent. Under 10 and you're really in control of your diet.. 12% @ 175lbs would be a great starting weight but if you could do that naturally then keep going naturally with out gear until you hit a plateau

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Ok so first get my bf% down, gain better control of diet, maintain bf and gain weight?

What are the risks of using gear with my stats? I see a lot of guys with my height/weight ratio and less in first cycle posts, not arguing with you though, a lot of these seem very uninformed, a large majority seem to be in UK boards not sure why.

I know this has gone of topic now, i plan on working out my squat/bench/dead/ohp max, and get threads going in the proper forums, but cheers for the advice!

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok so first get my bf% down, gain better control of diet, maintain bf and gain weight?

What are the risks of using gear with my stats? I see a lot of guys with my height/weight ratio and less in first cycle posts, not arguing with you though, a lot of these seem very uninformed, a large majority seem to be in UK boards not sure why.

I know this has gone of topic now, i plan on working out my squat/bench/dead/ohp max, and get threads going in the proper forums, but cheers for the advice!

using steroids at your body fat is dangerous for several reasons... you have a much higher chance of estrogen conversion... you are at a higher risk for blood pressure and cholesterol problems, which you probably have already have problems with as well... you need to be in good condition to run steroids... they are performance enhancers for people that are already in a fit condition... steroids are not fat burners... for you, developing a consistent training and diet program should be your main focus... SARMS are something that can help you to get where you need to be in terms of enhancing your weight loss and getting you in better condition... here is what i would recommend for you... SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators The SARMS triple stack protocol

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[cyclones2828]

So I'm 42 6 ft 205 and guessing around ~ 18% bf.. I running 250 my every 6 days and 125 mg deca for going on 5 weeks with satisfactory results. This is my first cycle. Should I be concerned with gyno at this point?? Sorry new to this but have been happy with results so far. What should I be looking for and how do combat it?

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