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I'm glad there are other opinions cuz I think bars are crap real food and lots of it
But he brought ur a great point get bloods don't then u will know for sure
Think that ur gear is bunk as well
Did u physically pick it up from the pharmacy urself ?
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I'm glad there are other opinions cuz I think bars are crap real food and lots of it
But he brought ur a great point get bloods don't then u will know for sure
Think that ur gear is bunk as well
Did u physically pick it up from the pharmacy urself ?
I also beg to differ a bout he comment made " I don't care what ur eating "
Ur not gonna gain with a shitty diet or under caloric diet!!
U can have all the man power u want (test) but if u don't have the right supplies and enough of them (food) ur not gonna be able to build a strong sturdy house ( ur body)!!!
Just my 2cents
Ur not gonna gain with a shitty diet or under caloric diet!!
U can have all the man power u want (test) but if u don't have the right supplies and enough of them (food) ur not gonna be able to build a strong sturdy house ( ur body)!!!
Just my 2cents
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Evan Tipps
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There's lots of studies on natural vs people using peds keeping the same nutrition on/off and the gains are still incredible. So I'm sorry but when your testosterone is triple or quadruple what it usually is you will make progress. I eat poptarts and ice xream for carbs and am getting stronger and leaner during a prep. Gotta get out of the 1990s dieting strategies bro
You said you don't care what you eat that's a bunch of crap you're telling me if I do 1000 mg of test and I eat nothing but air popped popcorn all day that I'm to gain muscle that's 100% no I ate pop tarts post workout as well and ice cream it's about nutrient timing I understand you're experienced but you said you don't care what you eat basically I don't think he's getting enough food in his diet you can have all the steroids in the world but if you don't have enough food you're not going to build muscle I can do a gram of test a week and eat nothing but air popped popcorn and I'm not going to gain shit....
So maybe instead of the comment I don't care what you eat you should say it doesn't matter about the healthiness of the food!!
I'm just saying
After reading many of your post and watching your loud I know your experience and you do have a respectable amount of muscle but you have to also realize all bodies are different and what works for some people doesn't work for other people I put on some nice amount of weight to when I was 220 eating pop tarts and ice cream as well although I wasn't 7% body fat like I am now it's just about nutrient timing went to take in the sugars and went to take in those kind of foods
But I do respect your opinion...
That's the beautiful thing about this board a lot of different people a lot of different opinions and people give advice what works best for them and let other people make their own choices
So maybe instead of the comment I don't care what you eat you should say it doesn't matter about the healthiness of the food!!
I'm just saying
After reading many of your post and watching your loud I know your experience and you do have a respectable amount of muscle but you have to also realize all bodies are different and what works for some people doesn't work for other people I put on some nice amount of weight to when I was 220 eating pop tarts and ice cream as well although I wasn't 7% body fat like I am now it's just about nutrient timing went to take in the sugars and went to take in those kind of foods
But I do respect your opinion...
That's the beautiful thing about this board a lot of different people a lot of different opinions and people give advice what works best for them and let other people make their own choices
Also not saying this is the op but u never know ..
Not everyone trains like a beast in the gym... I have watched a coupe of ur videos and you train like I do balls to the wall squeezing every rep out .. This is why ice cream and poptarts are acceptable
For the normal gym rat that is not how they train
Only a hand full of guys train like that..
Not everyone trains like a beast in the gym... I have watched a coupe of ur videos and you train like I do balls to the wall squeezing every rep out .. This is why ice cream and poptarts are acceptable
For the normal gym rat that is not how they train
Only a hand full of guys train like that..
But I think it's simple for the op
Step 1 check bloods
Step 2 if bloods look good cut down gym time and eat a bit more of a balanced diet
That's my opinion
Step 1 check bloods
Step 2 if bloods look good cut down gym time and eat a bit more of a balanced diet
That's my opinion
stackinplates - thanks for the response.
from what i see on your meal plan, i have six meals, and total its a bit less protein then what i consumed until yesterday (since you made me panic i went and stacking ton of meat).
i will try to re-organize.
i use pharma grade testo. i personally pick it up from the pharmacy. it is with prescription, government grade and supervised, 100% legit, NO doubts.
I also take 12.5mg Aromasin (the real Aromasin) - again, pharma grade.
all my medications are prescription one. all are supervised by the government. if there's doubt about it being fake, forget it. it is not.
i have clomid and tamoxifen on hand for PCT. i also have HCG (5000IU) in the fridge if needed. there's no 500IU ampole pharma grade over here. the only HCG they have is 5000IU. it is used for women and i dont know if i can just split the 1mg into 0.1mg syringe and use 0.1mg shots. can i?
about my food - i will try to summarize what i took until yesterday, and how i changed it today
6~am - 17 grams of serials + 160 grams of 3% milk. plus 2 eggs (XL size, 87 grams an egg). total 33 grams of protein.
8am - either 3 eggs or a small meal of 100grams chicken + 150 grams potato. in any way, it is 33 grams of protein.
i consume pre workout from muscletech (no protein), 4grams of creatine, 4 grams of BenneFiber, including the "clear pill" of muscletech, Amino on pills, and "test-freak" pills (once a day, will stop once testoviron depot will kick in).
i usually take a protein bar (promax or similar) at 10am (20grams of protein)
so prior to workout i consumed 83 grams of protein.
i work out 2 hours to 2.5 hours if i do the treadmill. 30 min on the treadmill at 6.1km/h (cus the shots stopped me from running like i used to, its too painful). at a recline of 6%.
i do A and B workout. i take it slow, around 60-70% RMI. it takes me about 2 hours. maybe 1 hour and 40 min if i do super sets. i change plans every two weeks. i moved from 4 sets of 12, to 5 sets of 8. when i can do 5 sets of 9 i raise the weight by 1.25kg per side. so far i bench press 37.5kg a side. total of 95kg bench press. bi-ceps at 20kg a side. back at 17.5, shoulders 17.5 but was too hard so went down to 15kg again. tri-ceps at 12.5kg a side. cant get this one to go up.
i finish working out around 12. i drink a shake. 25grams of protein per cup with 110 calories a cup (i use high quality, money is no issue). i consume 40grams total.
i drive home and around 11am-1am (depend when i start workout) i eat (right after getting home). another 100grams of chicken (3,5oz) and 150 grams of potato. that is 33 grams of protein. so far it means i eat around 160 grams.
at 3 i do it again, chicken and potato. another 33 grams.
at 5 i consume soya beans or tuna fish, in anyway, 200 grams of tuna or 300 grams of soya. total - 30 grams of protein.
i eat at 6.30 and sometimes at 8. usually something small like a bar.
so until 6:30pm i consume total of 250~ grams of protein.
dont forget, i am, or used to be, around 83kg with 188cm tall.
i consume pastrami during the day of around 10 grams of protein, and at 8 i usually drink a shake or eat another bar. that brings me to 280 grams of protein. sometimes (as said) i eat serials at 6pm as well with milk.
before sleep i consume casein (whey mix). 35ish grams (25grams a scoop. i do 1.5). so the total protein i consume a day is 300 grams or a bit more.
i eat 6-8 eggs a day (never less than 6, i just eat during the day one here one there) and make sure 2 meals of chicken a day min.
now, in november 22 2014 i started a diet. i went down from 100kg with 18% of fat, to 76kg with 9% of fat within 59 days by changing my diet and work out 6 times a week. I really like the look of low % of fat. and i am afraid, having to consume more food like you guys offer, will make my % of fat up.
since yesterday and your response, i have remodified my diet to this:
6am - 25 grams of serials 200 grams of milk + 3 eggs
8am - 200 grams of chicken 200 grams of potato
10am - 200 grams of chicken 200 grams of potato
12pm - protein bar + 3 eggs + 100 grams of white cheese 5%
2pm - 200 grams of chicken 200 grams of potato
4pm - 200 grams of tuna + 200 grams of potato
6pm - 250 grams of soya beans
7pm - shake + 20 grams of serials + 200 grams of milk + 1 egg
9pm - casein shake 40 grams.
the problem is - that i think its WAY too much food. its about 490 grams of protein!!! that is 500!!!! grams of protein A DAY!
just thinking of it makes me feel fatter.
i dont believe i have any fluid bloat or retention as i use AI from day 1. i inject twice a week, monday eve, friday morning. exactly 3 days and 12 hours after (i use alarm). i use g21 1.5inch to suck it in the syringe and g23 1.25inch to inject.
i use 4 bases routin, glute and quads. i have my lovely woman injecting it to me based on spliting my glute to 4 and going on the right upper side - exactly in the middle of it. i work by photos, i measure my diameter every 4 days.
so far the results, if any, are minor. i did add weight (15%) at the bench press and at any workout, but this is normal gain for normal worker.
all i am after is keeping low % of fat, with gaining fair amount of muscles, the "7-10lbs" gaining on first cycle is acceptable. yet, i am now 28 days within my cycle, and besides 5kg of weight added, which is mostly fluids (again, i drink no less than 2.2 galloons!!! of water). i pee 3 times an hour if you ask me. i drink a lot.
now, what should i do, should i stick to my first diet of small meals but many of them (8-9 meals of small portions) and reduce the bars a bit, or have 6 bigger meals like you offered?
i have ALL the time in the world, and i can do this cycle the way i should.
blood results were made pre-cycle, it was all PERFECT.
no blood tests were made post cycle and will not be made the whole cycle. as my testosterone is given by a doctor, and is a pharma testo, having blood test means someone over there will report my lovely doctor as there's no way i should have testo level of 50 times more than i should have. over here you cant have blood test without reporting into the system, and i will only come back to america (west virginia) when i will finish the cycle, around may. the clomid and tamoxifen will travel along with me as medications for cancer treatment and baby making shit. as they are for.
thanks for reading, thanks for reply. hope to get answers to know what to do, as i might went over stacking today
from what i see on your meal plan, i have six meals, and total its a bit less protein then what i consumed until yesterday (since you made me panic i went and stacking ton of meat).
i will try to re-organize.
i use pharma grade testo. i personally pick it up from the pharmacy. it is with prescription, government grade and supervised, 100% legit, NO doubts.
I also take 12.5mg Aromasin (the real Aromasin) - again, pharma grade.
all my medications are prescription one. all are supervised by the government. if there's doubt about it being fake, forget it. it is not.
i have clomid and tamoxifen on hand for PCT. i also have HCG (5000IU) in the fridge if needed. there's no 500IU ampole pharma grade over here. the only HCG they have is 5000IU. it is used for women and i dont know if i can just split the 1mg into 0.1mg syringe and use 0.1mg shots. can i?
about my food - i will try to summarize what i took until yesterday, and how i changed it today
6~am - 17 grams of serials + 160 grams of 3% milk. plus 2 eggs (XL size, 87 grams an egg). total 33 grams of protein.
8am - either 3 eggs or a small meal of 100grams chicken + 150 grams potato. in any way, it is 33 grams of protein.
i consume pre workout from muscletech (no protein), 4grams of creatine, 4 grams of BenneFiber, including the "clear pill" of muscletech, Amino on pills, and "test-freak" pills (once a day, will stop once testoviron depot will kick in).
i usually take a protein bar (promax or similar) at 10am (20grams of protein)
so prior to workout i consumed 83 grams of protein.
i work out 2 hours to 2.5 hours if i do the treadmill. 30 min on the treadmill at 6.1km/h (cus the shots stopped me from running like i used to, its too painful). at a recline of 6%.
i do A and B workout. i take it slow, around 60-70% RMI. it takes me about 2 hours. maybe 1 hour and 40 min if i do super sets. i change plans every two weeks. i moved from 4 sets of 12, to 5 sets of 8. when i can do 5 sets of 9 i raise the weight by 1.25kg per side. so far i bench press 37.5kg a side. total of 95kg bench press. bi-ceps at 20kg a side. back at 17.5, shoulders 17.5 but was too hard so went down to 15kg again. tri-ceps at 12.5kg a side. cant get this one to go up.
i finish working out around 12. i drink a shake. 25grams of protein per cup with 110 calories a cup (i use high quality, money is no issue). i consume 40grams total.
i drive home and around 11am-1am (depend when i start workout) i eat (right after getting home). another 100grams of chicken (3,5oz) and 150 grams of potato. that is 33 grams of protein. so far it means i eat around 160 grams.
at 3 i do it again, chicken and potato. another 33 grams.
at 5 i consume soya beans or tuna fish, in anyway, 200 grams of tuna or 300 grams of soya. total - 30 grams of protein.
i eat at 6.30 and sometimes at 8. usually something small like a bar.
so until 6:30pm i consume total of 250~ grams of protein.
dont forget, i am, or used to be, around 83kg with 188cm tall.
i consume pastrami during the day of around 10 grams of protein, and at 8 i usually drink a shake or eat another bar. that brings me to 280 grams of protein. sometimes (as said) i eat serials at 6pm as well with milk.
before sleep i consume casein (whey mix). 35ish grams (25grams a scoop. i do 1.5). so the total protein i consume a day is 300 grams or a bit more.
i eat 6-8 eggs a day (never less than 6, i just eat during the day one here one there) and make sure 2 meals of chicken a day min.
now, in november 22 2014 i started a diet. i went down from 100kg with 18% of fat, to 76kg with 9% of fat within 59 days by changing my diet and work out 6 times a week. I really like the look of low % of fat. and i am afraid, having to consume more food like you guys offer, will make my % of fat up.
since yesterday and your response, i have remodified my diet to this:
6am - 25 grams of serials 200 grams of milk + 3 eggs
8am - 200 grams of chicken 200 grams of potato
10am - 200 grams of chicken 200 grams of potato
12pm - protein bar + 3 eggs + 100 grams of white cheese 5%
2pm - 200 grams of chicken 200 grams of potato
4pm - 200 grams of tuna + 200 grams of potato
6pm - 250 grams of soya beans
7pm - shake + 20 grams of serials + 200 grams of milk + 1 egg
9pm - casein shake 40 grams.
the problem is - that i think its WAY too much food. its about 490 grams of protein!!! that is 500!!!! grams of protein A DAY!
just thinking of it makes me feel fatter.
i dont believe i have any fluid bloat or retention as i use AI from day 1. i inject twice a week, monday eve, friday morning. exactly 3 days and 12 hours after (i use alarm). i use g21 1.5inch to suck it in the syringe and g23 1.25inch to inject.
i use 4 bases routin, glute and quads. i have my lovely woman injecting it to me based on spliting my glute to 4 and going on the right upper side - exactly in the middle of it. i work by photos, i measure my diameter every 4 days.
so far the results, if any, are minor. i did add weight (15%) at the bench press and at any workout, but this is normal gain for normal worker.
all i am after is keeping low % of fat, with gaining fair amount of muscles, the "7-10lbs" gaining on first cycle is acceptable. yet, i am now 28 days within my cycle, and besides 5kg of weight added, which is mostly fluids (again, i drink no less than 2.2 galloons!!! of water). i pee 3 times an hour if you ask me. i drink a lot.
now, what should i do, should i stick to my first diet of small meals but many of them (8-9 meals of small portions) and reduce the bars a bit, or have 6 bigger meals like you offered?
i have ALL the time in the world, and i can do this cycle the way i should.
blood results were made pre-cycle, it was all PERFECT.
no blood tests were made post cycle and will not be made the whole cycle. as my testosterone is given by a doctor, and is a pharma testo, having blood test means someone over there will report my lovely doctor as there's no way i should have testo level of 50 times more than i should have. over here you cant have blood test without reporting into the system, and i will only come back to america (west virginia) when i will finish the cycle, around may. the clomid and tamoxifen will travel along with me as medications for cancer treatment and baby making shit. as they are for.
thanks for reading, thanks for reply. hope to get answers to know what to do, as i might went over stacking today
There is no need for hat much protein
The outline of the meal plan I sent is about 3500 cal carbs are about 400 protein is about 300 fat is about 80
The rough numbers are
Carbs 45%
Pro 35%
Fats 20%
If your gear is 100% real then it's an issue with training and your meal plan
But also you said it's only been four weeks if it's a long Esther it should be just now starting to kick in and give it a little bit more time and let us know
The outline of the meal plan I sent is about 3500 cal carbs are about 400 protein is about 300 fat is about 80
The rough numbers are
Carbs 45%
Pro 35%
Fats 20%
If your gear is 100% real then it's an issue with training and your meal plan
But also you said it's only been four weeks if it's a long Esther it should be just now starting to kick in and give it a little bit more time and let us know
There's a lot in your post really it doesn't matter if you get six meals and or if you get 8 to 9 meals and as long as you get enough calories and the balance of proteins fats and carbs I think you'll be fine there's an underlying issue besides the gear that's the problem Weatherbee the weight training or the diet all I can do is give you which works for me that meal plan helped me a lot when I was putting on size there's a lot of fruit and Dairy in it I love those items when I'm putting on size
There's no one shoe fits all when he comes to training there's just results for certain people get and things that work I would just wait a little longer to see if the gear kickstand don't know totally switching of your regimen and changing everything but make tweaks here and there to see how you adjust still think it might be to early to see ur gains with that long ester
There's no one shoe fits all when he comes to training there's just results for certain people get and things that work I would just wait a little longer to see if the gear kickstand don't know totally switching of your regimen and changing everything but make tweaks here and there to see how you adjust still think it might be to early to see ur gains with that long ester
Elvia1023
New member
I will be honest I couldn't be bothered reading all the long posts. But I will bring up one point I think is a big factor... 4 weeks on. The test will just be building up. Granted you should have seen results and felt differently but still give it more time. One other thing... 500mg testosterone isn't a magic pill. Nothing wrong with shakes etc but your diet does need improving if you want to get great gains.
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