Targeted Ketogenic Diet ????????

[bodybuilder3000]

hey guys, im interested in doing a TKD diet and i dont really know how to set it up like, how much protein, fat and when to take in the fats ect... im 6'3 250 about 17.5 % BF right now, so if anyoune could help me set up a TKD Diet i would really appreciate it

 

[GUARDIAN]

this probably belongs in the diet forum.

how about u post your current diet meal by meal with time of meal, serving sizes, etc

 

[footballstud]

Def in the diet forum. This has been a recurring problem with many posts. Put your crap in the correct forum!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

The keto diet is one of the stupidest things to come of the mouths of the crop of 1990's bodybuilding gurus. And there a LOT of stupid things.

 

[GUARDIAN]

The keto diet is one of the stupidest things to come of the mouths of the crop of 1990's bodybuilding gurus. And there a LOT of stupid things.

Your honor objection!

It works. Even Tat uses it. It is effective for me and many others. I agree with you on most points Nelson but this isn't one of them.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Your honor objection!

It works. Even Tat uses it. It is effective for me and many others. I agree with you on most points Nelson but this isn't one of them.

Lots of things work. I can say, eat nothing but lard and jelly bean sandwiches and if you stay in a calories deficit, you'll lose weight. That doesn't mean it isn't stupid or unhealthy.

I've spoken to Tat about this and I think I'm beginning to convince her how bad and unnecessary it is.

Ketosis is a form of starvation. It increases adrenaline and cortisol. It strains the internal organs. It's catabolic. There's no need for it whatsoever, it's just one of those psuedo scientific theories used by the self appointed science geeks that permeated the scene in the 90's. Some people still foolishly follow it. Bad idea.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Lots of things work. I can say, eat nothing but lard and jelly bean sandwiches and if you stay in a calories deficit, you'll lose weight. That doesn't mean it isn't stupid or unhealthy.

I've spoken to Tat about this and I think I'm beginning to convince her how bad and unnecessary it is.

Ketosis is a form of starvation. It increases adrenaline and cortisol. It strains the internal organs. It's catabolic. There's no need for it whatsoever, it's just one of those psuedo scientific theories used by the self appointed science geeks that permeated the scene in the 90's. Some people still foolishly follow it. Bad idea.

All diets are a form of starvation

Even on gear u still feel this way?

 

[Nelson Montana]

All diets are a form of starvation

Even on gear u still feel this way?

Gear always makes the body work more efficiently, but that should never be an excuse for a bad practice.

 

[lartinos]

keto diets are awesome in my opinion when done properly.

 

[therugger]

I know this is wrong forum, but I love this arguement. Not just is keto questionable and has many knowledgable people on differing sides, but also brings up the idea of how far is to far when dietin on gear. My opinion on keto is negative though. I may loose weight but makes me too damn lazy. I can force myself to workout but think I pay for it in intensity!

 

[access]

I agree with Nelson on this one. Little doubt Keto works but at what price. Places your body under so much stress. I just feel there are much better ways to go about it and especially so for athletes.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I ran 2 CKD cycles, with carb up days on weekends and felt good, got good results to.

Now I just carb cycle and eat my carbs early and cut carbs out later in the day.

I wouldnt suggest CKD or TKD for long term, but I think a couple of weeks of CKD isnt HORRIBLE. It just depends on your goals.

-Legacy

 

[GUARDIAN]

Gear always makes the body work more efficiently, but that should never be an excuse for a bad practice.

I know you had to use more than that to convince Tat. Studies? Research?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I know you had to use more than that to convince Tat. Studies? Research?

First of all studies just show one result -- usually the one the researchers are trying to find. And just because such a study appeared elsewhere -- why does that make it more valid? There's tons of misinformation.

I maintain my points and they are facts. Ketosis is very unhealthy and there are millions of examples of losing fat without going into ketosis, so what else do you need?

Tat has been around long enough to know how this stuff works but she's still curious and experimenting and searching and looking to get first hand experience and that's great. But the truth wins out every time. Sometimes the simple answer is the answer. But everybody wants to think some new theory that requires some arcane knowledge or excessive dedication is the answer.

I'll bet these guys never even heard of the ketogenic diet. http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/columbu/fc98.jpg

Here's the guy who came up with it straining to do a a 200 lb deadlift with stick arms and a pot belly.


http://images.google.com/imgres?img...mcdonald&um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=N


You decide who knows more.

 

[lartinos]

First of all studies just show one result -- usually the one the researchers are trying to find. And just because such a study appeared elsewhere -- why does that make it more valid? There's tons of misinformation.

I maintain my points and they are facts. Ketosis is very unhealthy and there are millions of examples of losing fat without going into ketosis, so what else do you need?

Tat has been around long enough to know how this stuff works but she's still curious and experimenting and searching and looking to get first hand experience and that's great. But the truth wins out every time. Sometimes the simple answer is the answer. But everybody wants to think some new theory that requires some arcane knowledge or excessive dedication is the answer.

I'll bet these guys never even heard of the ketogenic diet. http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/columbu/fc98.jpg

Here's the guy who came up with it straining to do a a 200 lb deadlift with stick arms and a pot belly.


http://images.google.com/imgres?img...mcdonald&um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=N


You decide who knows more.

i'm just interested in how specifially you think a keto diet is unhealthy.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

i am on not on a ketonic diet year round. i feel no ill effects my blood work is normal i lose little to no muscle mass.

studies to back up why it is so bad. what r the reasons it is a bad practice? all i have heard so far is starvation & basically catabolism. neither of which i experience.

 

[bbulla00]

i'm going to give it a try.

 

[Gymjunkie84]

I have followed a keto diet with GREAT success....It may not work for everyone, BUT it will certainly work for those who don't respond well to carbs...and I dont, so it has worked wonders for me to keep most/all of my muscle whilst dropping the fat! I have even heard of many guys using a keto(caveman diet) to gain lean mass...again, the macros vary for both goals a far bit...so I wont go into details, especially because I havnt had any experience with gaining lean mass on keto diet, ONLY on the Anabolic diet.

 

[flab2fab]

Chiming in here...

When I dropped from 30% bf to 7% last time, I was on a Keto diet. In fact the only times I have ever been able to drop more than 10 pounds was on keto diets. Problem is, my body (me) loves carbs to much. I have always had lots of problems with carbs and even get energy drops with complex carbs. When I am on these Keto diets for longer than 10 days, my cravings disapear, I have more energy and I shed-not just water- but fat and lots of it. Maybe at the heart it is because of the cal in is less than cal out, but the only thing carbs gave me where energy drops and love handles.

 

[mattu3743]

Gear always makes the body work more efficiently, but that should never be an excuse for a bad practice.

yo nelson bro, how do you diet when you get ready for a show??

 

[mattu3743]

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[itzgmoney]

I was on a CKD diet for 2 months and shredded some body fat. It worked for me an I'm thinking about doing the TKD now or just low carb, low fat, high protein. Any suggestions?