Sustanon Gains

[bigAragorn]

wow....

....that was something else (sniff, sniff)
I guess i should really go back and hit the books, my University library is definately pointing me in the wrong direction...to think i actually felt confident in telling this guy .25 mgs ed would suffice...but i guess i was wrong...

one thing mvmaxx,
I was not undermining YOUR authority on this matter but since you seem to have taken this the wrong way i will do us all a favor and go get your copy of the Authoritative text on lq use, maybe there i will find studies regarding gyno and its supression due to the use of 1mg ed...or has that not been studied yet ( bear in mind i do not know who the fuck you are and what you have experienced )

and no i have not experience the use of steroids and am i wrong in thinking that .25mgs ed will suffice...really i would like to know because i really did think that was sufficient...

i am sorry to dreams for pointing him in the wrong direction and mvmaxx maybe it didnt work for you cause you naturally are prone to gyno... is that a possibilty i would like to know since i am a fucking moron! There are so many possibilities as to why you got gyno buddy and id like to think that hasnt happened to everyone who has used liquidex at .25mg/day. And it sounds to me like you are using 1 mg every day to REVERSE the effects.

I guess ill take this flaming in stride but as a young kid i must say i was hurt that someone who dosent even know me would call me a fucking moron and tell me to shut my fucking mouth...i guess dropping my hard earned money so that i can make 6 figures after University is a complete joke.

hitting the books with steadfast vigor,
b.A.

 

[mvmaxx]

Re: wow....

.... ( bear in mind i do not know who the fuck you are and what you have experienced)

I just got done telling you what I experienced.

and no i have not experience the use of steroids and am i wrong in thinking that .25mgs ed will suffice...really i would like to know because i really did think that was sufficient...)

First off I'll say that you will probably get a lot of people that would back up that claim of .25mg/ED. The reason behind that is because some people are just not prone to estrogen related sides. I have a friend who uses insane amounts of gear with no anti-e and all he gets are zits. Everyone is different.

The most authoritative person I've seen post on this is Zyg who says to use .25mg/ED for each 250mg of test = .50mg/ED.
I'd still disagree slightly for personal reasons, but again this probably covers 99% of guys out there.
I've spoken with two other authoritative people, one that works in a lab making Liquidex and the other a doctor that actually knows about AS, and they both recommend 1mg/ED or EOD.

i am sorry to dreams for pointing him in the wrong direction and mvmaxx maybe it didnt work for you cause you naturally are prone to gyno...

You may be 100% correct. And that was my reasoning behind giving him the recommendation that I did. Because he specifically said that he was worried about it and he hasn't done test yet so he doesn't know if he will be prone or not. My thoughts are better to be safe than get gyno.

... id like to think that hasnt happened to everyone who has used liquidex at .25mg/day. And it sounds to me like you are using 1 mg every day to REVERSE the effects.

Of course this won't happen to everyone as stated from the reasons above, everyone is different. He was worried about it so I suggested a route that would ultimately keep him the safest.
I'm using the Nolvadex to reverse it. The 1mg/ED was to ensure it didn't get worse (which worked).

I guess ill take this flaming in stride but as a young kid i must say i was hurt that someone who dosent even know me would call me a fucking moron and tell me to shut my fucking mouth

Again, I hate flaming and try to conduct myself in a professional manner on this site (most of the time ), however your reply really struck a cord with me for obvious reasons. I believe people that "don't know how sensitive they are to estrogen sides" (ie first time users) and are "worried about sides" should take much more precautions. Again, many vets won't recommend these precautions because they never had to worry about it. The fact that this guy was worried about it led me to give him what I would consider safe advice.

b.A. - I'm done with this thread. I appreciate the intelligent reply and I apologize for calling you a moron - but your reply struck a nerve. The only advice I'd give you is to watch what you repeat to newbies. I'll say it one more time; everyone is different and will respond differently. If someone wants to take precautions don't let him think he doesn't have to. Best of luck with your school, the 6 digits is worth it.

 

[bigAragorn]

indeed i have repeated this information (re: .25mg/day of lq)
and have had no experience myself...
my blindness to the sensitivity of some people and their succeptiblity to estrogen related sides has caused the stir and for that i am sorry maxx.
I am glad i did not react to the flaming immaturly as i would not have recieved this above reply!
Thank you for not letting me think you were a fucking asshole bro.
Water under the bridge...

b.A.

 

[BBBodie]

I took solicitations on my first cycle (posted in this forum as well) and did some research (my degree is Exercise Phys and my minor was chemistry...it's a wonder it took 20 years to start using it).

I produced an excel spreadsheet on half lives using Sustanon. Did an interesting study on this, including the different Esters and how long they take to kick in/dissipate. The dissipation levels are based on avg blood chemistry, and may be a bit different for you.

I also looked at injecting daily or EOD a 250mg amp (you don't get it all remember...only about 60mg/max a day the first week) for 21 days, by the 3-4 week, you have your levels up to 600mg in system and a good taper....by doing it EOD, for 21 amps if you like or just 10 for a shorter cycle, your peak will be in the 400's for about 7-12 days depending on your length of cycle.

The file is on http://communities.msn.com/BodaciousBodiesBybodie...look in the Message Board for the Chemistry discussion on Sustanon (includes Prop).

Your mileage may vary....but for me, I'm recommend using (from my experience) Proviron and/or Liquidex...if you're using Liquidex...Proviron is insurance as Liquidex nails it all. I started initially without and felt like the Michelin man.....or Mr. StayPuft...anyway, soon as the Proviron arrived...normalcy, and when Liquidex was introduced...ahhh....relief from total bloat and things were a bit tighter. The other component for me was Fina......my strength and growth is up big time went from 223# to 245# and it's only been 6 weeks.