Supreme Court case - legal to strip search 13 year old girl? [news item]

[needtogetarmy]

I support this. It was performed by two females. I have zero tolerance for kids bringing drugs to school. I know the local schools here have policies for prescription drugs. You turn them in and get them doled out when it is time to take your medicine or get permission to have them on your person.

On the other hand, if the search was totally unjustified and she was singled out for other reasons then it would be wrong to search her in that manner. The article didn't state that was the case.

60-75% of the kids in inner cities do not graduate from high school. Drugs and gangs are the main culprits. This is destroying our society. The only way to fix this is to have zero tolerance policies. There will always be an instance that sticks out, like this story, that will make people question the policies.

Imagine it was heroin, meth, or even oxy (which requires s script) and she was selling it to your children.

If she doesn't like the rules then she can find another school.

 

[Sub-Zero]

An assistant principal, enforcing the school’s antidrug policies, suspected her of having brought prescription-strength ibuprofen pills to school. One of the pills is as strong as two Advils.

The search by two female school employees was methodical and humiliating, Ms. Redding said. After she had stripped to her underwear, “they asked me to pull out my bra and move it from side to side,” she said. “They made me open my legs and pull out my underwear.”

Ms. Redding, an honors student, had no pills. But she had a furious mother and a lawyer, and now her case has reached the Supreme Court, which will hear arguments on April 21.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/us/24savana.html?pagewanted=1&hpw

i got a boner just reading this.

if the female school teachers did it, i dont really see it as that big a deal provided there was 100% privacy, and these were high ranking teachers/administration types.

i knew plenty of sluts who were 13 when i was in highschool. wouldnt surprised me if she stuffed it up her ass after getting cought blowing her bf and his friends in the faculty bathroom.

we need more background info on this girl, is what im saying.

if she was some innocent bookworm nerdy type, then its fucked up and probably traumatizing.

but if its the prior mentioned type, im sure girl will be fine

 

[samoth]

Why did they think they could do that? Can schools strip search?

It appears they can at public schools; the debate is over what a "resonable search" in such cases are. Can they check a student's backpack? Their pockets? Their underwear?

 

[cindylou]

I support this. It was performed by two females. I have zero tolerance for kids bringing drugs to school. I know the local schools here have policies for prescription drugs. You turn them in and get them doled out when it is time to take your medicine or get permission to have them on your person.

On the other hand, if the search was totally unjustified and she was singled out for other reasons then it would be wrong to search her in that manner. The article didn't state that was the case.

60-75% of the kids in inner cities do not graduate from high school. Drugs and gangs are the main culprits. This is destroying our society. The only way to fix this is to have zero tolerance policies. There will always be an instance that sticks out, like this story, that will make people question the policies.

Imagine it was heroin, meth, or even oxy (which requires s script) and she was selling it to your children.

If she doesn't like the rules then she can find another school.

She was suspected of having ibuprofen. You support them strip searching a girl (who ended up not having the drug btw) for ibuprofen?

Teenagers have rights too. Where is the common sense here?

 

[cindylou]

Seriously? My friends and I would take stuff like caffeine and ephedrine all the time in high school. Did you go to a private school?

No it was a public school - I still am comfused as to why I got into SO much trouble for that...

When I was gone they called an assembly on drugs and how bad they are.....it was no doze! It reminded me of the Saved by the Bell episode where Jessi gets all hopped up on caffene pills because she needed to study...lol...they just really overreacted.

 

[needtogetarmy]

She was suspected of having ibuprofen. You support them strip searching a girl (who ended up not having the drug btw) for ibuprofen?

Teenagers have rights too. Where is the common sense here?

The article states they were prescription drugs. It doesn't matter if it is Advil or oxy. If the school rules prohibit the possession of prescription meds then it is against the rules to possess them. Rules are rules.

Students do have 'rights' but not the same right as others. The Supreme Court has addressed student rights in other contexts. For example, freedom of speech. Just because a student has freedom of speech doesn't mean a student can just talk out loud in class and disrupt the teaching process. The students rights are limited in a class room setting. An 18 year old has the right to bear arms but that doesn't give the student a right to bring a glock to class. The Supreme Court has recognized in many instances that the rules schools establish trump rights. Otherwise there would be chaos.

Students do have a right against unreasonable searches and seizures. The threshold issue in this case is whether the search was unreasonable. That is debatable. I do not think it is unreasonable. I had a friend in school who ate quite a bit of acid tabs when they were going to search him. Just like Sub-Zero said, people hide stuff all the time. IF the school authorities had a reasonable belief that she possessed contraband, and they has a reasonable belief that it was hidden on her person, then it is reasonable that they conduct a strip search.

 

[beachhead06]

The mother fucking school staff would show up to those court hearings with my feet so far lodged up each one of their asses they would not be able to walk let alone sit through it all!

Ibuprofen, give me a break! Oh no..Please not extra strength advils, say it isn't so! Kinda makes you wonder how they react when they think a student has an actual drug?

I hope that the courts (which prob wont) will eat them all (principal, and two teachers) for lunch. Those idiots should not have jobs left by the time that childs lawyer gets finished...Ugh stories like this set me off on a tangent for the day.

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F*cking eh! What has the world come too? Ibuprofen are you kidding me???

 

[jnevin]

She was suspected of having ibuprofen. You support them strip searching a girl (who ended up not having the drug btw) for ibuprofen?

Teenagers have rights too. Where is the common sense here?

Well a zero tolerance policy is a zero tolerance policy. IB 800's are prescription drugs and if she brought them to school illegally it's the same as any controlled substance.

 

[1500]

Students do have a right against unreasonable searches and seizures. The threshold issue in this case is whether the search was unreasonable. That is debatable. I do not think it is unreasonable. I had a friend in school who ate quite a bit of acid tabs when they were going to search him. Just like Sub-Zero said, people hide stuff all the time. IF the school authorities had a reasonable belief that she possessed contraband, and they has a reasonable belief that it was hidden on her person, then it is reasonable that they conduct a strip search.

+1. my prediction.... SC rules in favor of the School system. If the police had been called and PC existed, the girl would have had to endure the same search. Unlike the police, school administrators only need RS, not PC.

 

[stosstruppe]

if the female school teachers did it, i dont really see it as that big a deal provided there was 100% privacy, and these were high ranking teachers/administration types.

I knew plenty of sluts who were 13 when i was in highschool. Wouldnt surprised me if she stuffed it up her ass after getting cought blowing her bf and his friends in the faculty bathroom.

We need more background info on this girl, is what im saying.

If she was some innocent bookworm nerdy type, then its fucked up and probably traumatizing.

But if its the prior mentioned type, im sure girl will be fine

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