Supplement Ban?

[Animal]

Thank god for amsterdam if we could only get them to go their way for other drugs, too.

This week they decided that they wouldn't arrest anybody coming into the country on an airline for coke possession as long as it was less than 3 kilos!

HAHA!

 

[manny78]

Creatine is already banned in France where it's seen as an anabolic product. Where's the logic ? I have no idea...

 

[Mike DiMaggio]

Rick, is there a way of setting up a televised debate between you and some notible scientists and physicians vs. these policy-happy govt officials??? This might help in changing perception of supplements and AAS with the general public. And also expose that these govt meatheads really have no hard evidence against banning these supplements, and it's really their own twisted agenda. If anyone would be able to stick it to them it would be you!

Unfortunately, legislation is voted on and passed behind closed doors. Our Congressman are supposed to represent "we the people," so seeing a televised debate of sorts would place them under the scrutiny of the American public. As "fun" as that sounds, it would never happen.

However...Rick has organized an effort to "debate" the Congressman that have proposed this litigation. But to play the game on Capital Hill, you have to hire a lobbyist group who will debate for you. The USFA has done that, and Rick has even accompanied some top industry specialists and chemists to hearings where they made a presentation and answered questions. It seems quite evident that they are far less concerned with the science and safety and far more influenced by the politics of such a bill.

 

[Animal]

I hate to say it, but it's a pipe dream to try and save it.

The FDA and the feds don't give a fuck about stealing prescriptions coming across from canada for really sick people and the elderly who have the grandiose AARP lobby behind them, so what makes anybody here think for a second that what you say or do is anything more than a drop of piss in the ocean.

You are deluding yourself.

 

[Mike DiMaggio]

I hate to say it, but it's a pipe dream to try and save it.

The FDA and the feds don't give a fuck about stealing prescriptions coming across from canada for really sick people and the elderly who have the grandiose AARP lobby behind them, so what makes anybody here think for a second that what you say or do is anything more than a drop of piss in the ocean.

You are deluding yourself.

Well the alternative is to sit back and let them do what they please.
Come on Animal, it's not like you to lay down and not even put up a fight. They'll just continue to ban supplements until there's nothing left. It started with AAS and where will it end, Vitamin C?

Rick has one quite a few battles against what many would consider to be insurmountable odds. If anyone can do it.........

 

[Animal]

Yes, you posed the question as succinctly as it can get. "When will it stop, Vitamin C?


I don't know, ask the europeans?

List one success so far where the gov don't do what it want? I don't lie down as I work within the law to do what the law says I can do. When it's taken to mean something else or they change the law, then I move on to something else.

GHB is gone after numerous letters and lobbying from those in life extension and other groups.

Yea, I wish I knew where it would end and it looks like it won't end to ANY degree until they get the 1994 supplements law changed. You know it and I know it.

Well, I do know and it will stop when the big vitamin and pharm companies behind them decide there is no more liability in a product the FDA is trying to ban and they would lose significant money in having the products banned.

Again, I'd like to know one case one so far. They wanted steroids, they got 'em. They wanted GHB, they got it. They wanted 1,4, they got it. They wanted rohypnol, they got it and got it more is less banned in mexico. Oxycontin they couldn't get, but they then put pressure on mex and it's dried up at least in TJ. Soma's are now some amazing date rape drug which they will seize as you come across. (happened to me and I know what to say and do)

If there are any successes or positive events, I'd like to see them.

 

[Animal]

Case in point can be seen here

http://www.prohormonelitigation.com/

They are being sued and it's easier to bail than to fight.

If they aren't even going to defend their market share do you think they will spend to keep them legal?

 

[Animal]

And another good example is the anti-freedom act (patriot act). We all know that was a bad idea, but it had to be done for the congress to show their patriotism.

We GOTTA do something!

Many didn't like it and they had so much power that we now have a second anti-freedom act!

 

[Mike DiMaggio]

Case in point can be seen here

http://www.prohormonelitigation.com/

They are being sued and it's easier to bail than to fight.

If they aren't even going to defend their market share do you think they will spend to keep them legal?

Strangely, the companies mentioned in the suit weren't all that concerned, however many of them have ponied up some serious dough for the USFA to battle Congress.

 

[Mike DiMaggio]

And another good example is the anti-freedom act (patriot act). We all know that was a bad idea, but it had to be done for the congress to show their patriotism.

We GOTTA do something!

Many didn't like it and they had so much power that we now have a second anti-freedom act!

You know the only thing we can do about that, don't you...............................Vote Democratic!