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Supplement Ban?

what exactly are we talking about when we talk about an up and coming supplement ban?

I have come accross

1.DSHEA Full Implementation and Enforcement Act of 2003 Bill # S.1538

2.Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2003 Bill # S.722

3.Dietary Supplement Access and Awareness Act Bill # H.R.3377


I am foggy on the first and 3rd, while the second to my knowledge really only seems to pertain to stimulants (and maybe hormonal products?).

While none of these seem particularly desireable to me, none of them seem like the doomsday end of the supplement industry bills that I've heard about.

Can someone shed some light on these bills and congressional proceedings?
 
There are no bills pending today that would ban all supplements. Does that mean there's nothing to worry about? Well, there may be very good reason to worry if you care about supplements. Let's talk about why.

The dietary supplement industry is nearly a $19 billion business annually, and it's growing. If Big Pharmacy could get control of it, the supplement business could generate revenues much, much higher than that. Think of the prices we pay for prescription drugs. Think of all the bling-bling.

And Big Pharmacy may likely get its way, eventually. Believe it or not, the U.S. laws are out of step with many other nation's vitamin laws. Globally, supplements are generally much more restricted than here in America (in some places tablets are limited in potency to only the RDA). There is a strong movement (called the "Codex Alimentarius", and supported by the FDA) to "harmonize" all supplement laws around the world. Needless to say, it won't be to loosen up the laws abroad, but to crack down on U.S. supplement freedoms. That's the Big Picture, and some of the pending bills are just small steps in that direction.

Look, the pharmaceutical industry has legions of well-paid lobbyists working Capitol Hill to accomplish the goal. Of course, they're not so foolish as to propose an outright ban on supplements. The public wouldn't stand for it, as evidenced by the tremendous popular support for the 1994 law (DSHEA) that protected supplements from FDA overreaching. No, the attack on supplements must be gradual. The wall of protections must be dismantled one brick at a time.

So you have, for example, something like the bill (S. 722) proposed by Dick Durbin -- a long-time opponent of dietary supplements. It would require reporting of adverse reactions and safety complaints (a reasonable proposal to protect the public). But it would also give the FDA the authority to remove an entire class of supplements from the market if there's even a single serious adverse reaction complaint filed -- even if the complaint is filed by a consumer who has used the product against the instructions of the manufacturer. Then the manufacturer will have to prove the safety of the supplement -- a costly process that would break some companies. Look at the costs associated with proving safety of a drug before it comes to market. That's why we pay the prices we do for Rx drugs. American consumers generally don't want to pay those kinds of prices for vitamins. And I don't blame them.

Anyway, who's kidding whom on the vitamin safety issue? If that's the problem, let's get over-the-counter non-steroidal anti-inflammatants (NSAID's) off the market immediately! Ibuprofin, acetaminophen and the like cause thousands of deaths annually. Arguably, that's a real public health crisis, don't ya think? (Hey, if saving lives were the true priority, wouldn't we have banned tobacco decades ago?)

Durbin's bill would also newly define “anabolic steroid” to make certain products fit the definition based on advertising claims alone, regardless of whether they actually build muscle. This would end the prohormone market as we know it. Two other bills, H.R. 207 and S. 1780, really go after prohormones as well. The attack on prohormones is largely spearheaded by the sports anti-doping lobby, and is less related to safety than to the potential advantage that using them might provide to athletes. After all, the number of deaths attributed to prohormones is ... zero. A bit off from the number attributed to NSAID's, huh?

Anyway, if you want to read the various bills themselves as well as more commentary on the issues, check out the News Forum at www.usfa.biz.
 
Thanks for the reply Rick. I think you have good insight on a lot of these things though you probably are a bit off on the ultimate end of the regulation (for instance i think its more probable that protein, efa's and vitamins end up in a state similar to tylenol/ acetometaphin, maalox, beano, etc.-- over the counter), though i certainly can't rule out some bizare future world where you need an Rx for protein powder.
 
Nobody knows what the ultimate end of the regulatory efforts will be. With the over-reaching FDA and greedy Big Pharma, who can say?

If you believe that freedom is what this country was meant most to be about, and that freedom means making your OWN health supplement choices, even if they're not necessarily the "best" choices in the "learned" opinion of the government, then you should express those views loud and clear as the process plays out....
 
Hey Rick...should we tell them about CODEX???

My friends, that will either scare the pants off of you or really piss you off! Trust me, Rick's insight into the future of supplement freedom is not unfounded......................unfortunately.

Support the U.S.F.A. brothers or our freedom to use supplements will soon be wiped out!:bigbuck:
 
If you all want this nonsense to stop, kill the enemy. The same enemy who enforces (if not created) the Patriot Act, and enforces the most insane laws in the US---AG John Ascroft.

Just put a bullet in his head, end of story.
 
PrincePRIMO1 said:
If you all want this nonsense to stop, kill the enemy. The same enemy who enforces (if not created) the Patriot Act, and enforces the most insane laws in the US---AG John Ascroft.

Just put a bullet in his head, end of story.


Or, there's always the (less likely to get you sentenced to life in prison) alternative of voting Democratic and writing a letter to your Congressman.

...and I'm sure PrincePRIMO1 was joking.....right!!! :mad:
 
Hehe!

Could that be considered a death threat?

Brings back fond memories of my close personal friend Johnny Asscroft and his minions of federal prosecutors.

Anyhow, I think people can look forward to having no supplements at all OTC just like is now the case in Europe. Most people don't know about that and it's very obvious that the FDA and other fedthugs absolutely had the supplement act as it's been implemented.

Kiss 'em goodbye. PH are on the radar and now that ephedra is gone they are now starting the media blast on the next evil chem:


Nonprescription Dextromethorphan -- 'DXM' -- Widely Available

By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Monday, January 05, 2004
WebMD Medical News

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Jan. 5, 2004 -- It's not new. It's not illegal. And when abused as a recreational drug, it's not safe.

Generations of teens have used the cough suppressant dextromethorphan to get high. And every year, according to the U.S. government statistics, thousands of users end up in emergency rooms.

Users call it DXM or dex. It's an ingredient in more than 125 over-the-counter cough and cold remedies. Some of the more popular ones have their own drug-culture nicknames: "C-C-C" (Coricidin HBP Cough & Cold tablets), for example, or "robo" (Robitussin). Other nicknames include "candy," "skittles," and "red devils."

What does it do? The intoxicating effect is similar, but much less intense, to the effects of PCP and LSD, says Ronald Strong, supervisor of the national drug threat assessment unit at the U.S. National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC).

"PCP and LSD as hallucinogens are far more potent than DXM," Strong tells WebMD. "But the effects you would get from what these kids are taking is similar."

The side effects are much less fun, notes Ilene B. Anderson, PharmD, associate clinical professor at the University of California, San Francisco, School of Pharmacy and senior toxicology management specialist for California's poison control system.

"The primary effects are nausea, vomiting, feeling dizzy and lightheaded -- kids taking DXM can become drowsy and can look like they are drunk," Anderson tells WebMD. "They have dilated pupils, increased heart rate and blood pressure, and they can have hallucinations. Many patients also are agitated. And the potential is there for seizures, although these are uncommon."

Here, There, and Everywhere

When used as directed, DXM is good medicine, says Deborah Mitchell, an intelligence analyst at the NDIC. It acts on the brain's cough center to relieve the misery of nagging, unproductive coughing. That's why it's included in so many cough and cold products.

And those products are everywhere. You can buy them at your local drug store. You can get them over the Internet. Many pharmacies make no effort to keep children from buying these products.

Normal doses of the drug range up to 30 mg, which is the highest potency available on the market. That's the amount in Coricidin HBP Cough & Cold tablets, and also the dose in DexAlone Maximum Strength Cough Suppressant liquid gelcaps.

Anderson notes that the dose needed for a hallucinatory effect is about 400 to 500 mg. That's about 15 doses of the high-strength DXM products. These huge doses of DXM are bad enough. But as most DXM products contain other medicines, abusers risk overdoses of other serious medicines. These include the antihistamine chlorpheniramine and/or pain reliever acetaminophen. Overdoses of these drugs can be extremely dangerous and cause lasting damage.

That being said, I think it needs to be discussed as to HOW the ephedra is banned for as I and others read it ephedra is banned from DIET supplements and NOT from any OTC sales for use like when for staying awake or when mixed with guaf for colds. I also didn't see ma huang banned or ephedrine in combo in other herbs so again we have LEGAL problems, though it doesn't appear the penalties will be anything substantial.

There is also a great little article from a Chinese doctor who plainly points out that ephedra has been used SAFELY for 5000 years or more, but the Talimericans fuck it up and ban it in less than 25.

I can't wait for Cuba to open up and maybe China ain't so bad, either!
 
The best part is that there will no be another black market and I'll be able to teach people how to extract ephedrine and then turn it into HCl just like they do with meth.
 
Talking about Cuba, even if it's a communist country, I remember years ago the doc in Varadero gave my mom Dilaudid, yes DILAUDID for a headache....
 
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