Suggestions for lean bulk (with tren)

[tha_Waco_kid]

32, 6'2, 225, 3 cycles, 12-13% bf

10 weeks. Trying tren for the first time . I will be starting with beast drol first 4 weeks

Test cyp 100 mg week trt dose
Tren topical (dosing per gators protocol)
SD first 4 weeks 20-30mg

Question is around diet. Goal is lean bulk, with emphasis on the lean more than the bulk.

I have done some reading on dieting with tren and the macros and calorie totals are all over the map.

I am thinking:

3000-3500 cals per day
300/300/100 p/c/f

It will be a clean diet. Clean carbs and proteins.

Is 300 carbs enough for tren and SD?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

I don't believe in high carb diets, they jack up your insulin and mess with your homeostasis. Try a CKD bulker or something in that realm, you'll get a lot bigger and leaner than you would on a high carb diet.

 

[rustilldown]

I don't believe in high carb diets, they jack up your insulin and mess with your homeostasis. Try a CKD bulker or something in that realm, you'll get a lot bigger and leaner than you would on a high carb diet.

Agrees. But 300 grams carbs isn't that high especially if one incorporates some hiit training a few times a week.
Plus tren and sd strive on clean carbs

 

[bonacris]

Read stevesmi thread on having carbs with tren.

Also I'm currently running SD and carbs are a life saver.. days when carbs are on the low side and I feel like death.. I'm trying to take in around 500gm carbs a day but its not always possible nd SD is just chewing them up and packing on mass..

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[WolfpackAlpha]

Read stevesmi thread on having carbs with tren.

Also I'm currently running SD and carbs are a life saver.. days when carbs are on the low side and I feel like death.. I'm trying to take in around 500gm carbs a day but its not always possible nd SD is just chewing them up and packing on mass..

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You only feel bad with low carbs because you have NOT made the metabolic shift and are in the middle where your body is using carbs and protein for fuel instead of fat.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Agrees. But 300 grams carbs isn't that high especially if one incorporates some hiit training a few times a week.
Plus tren and sd strive on clean carbs

300 grams of carbs is high and unnecessary when you can run a bulking CKD or anabolic/evolutionary diet and get twice the resuls with a lot less fat gains.

 

[bonacris]

You only feel bad with low carbs because you have NOT made the metabolic shift and are in the middle where your body is using carbs and protein for fuel instead of fat.

When you say fat do you mean fat from my diet or bodyfat?

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[WolfpackAlpha]

When you say fat do you mean fat from my diet or bodyfat?

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Both triglycerides and ingested fats. If you haven't made the metabolic shift, you will not be able to use fat for fuel. You'll feel horrible until you do the diet right and make the full metabolic shift.

 

[rustilldown]

Both triglycerides and ingested fats. If you haven't made the metabolic shift, you will not be able to use fat for fuel. You'll feel horrible until you do the diet right and make the full metabolic shift.

Do you have a link to read about this diet ?

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

Read stevesmi thread on having carbs with tren.

Also I'm currently running SD and carbs are a life saver.. days when carbs are on the low side and I feel like death.. I'm trying to take in around 500gm carbs a day but its not always possible nd SD is just chewing them up and packing on mass..

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Hey there - I have read Steve's threads on the topic and its great info. However I think my goals are different than his to an extent as I am trying to lean out first and foremost. Of course putting on a few lbs of muscle would obviously be important as well just not at the expense of staying at 12% or higher. I want to end at 10% as a target. Thanks

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Do you have a link to read about this diet ?

It's not that complicated, it's a modified CKD with roughly 60-65%f/30%p +/-/and less than 5% carbs with a 1-2 refeed.

 

[RickRock13]

It's not that complicated, it's a modified CKD with roughly 60-65%f/30%p +/-/and less than 5% carbs with a 1-2 refeed.

So, is that 5 days on the CKD with a two day refeed? What are the macro/caloric ranges on refeed days?

 

[super-duty1]

So, is that 5 days on the CKD with a two day refeed? What are the macro/caloric ranges on refeed days?

From what I have been reading 20% protein 60% carbs 20% fat

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[WolfpackAlpha]

So, is that 5 days on the CKD with a two day refeed? What are the macro/caloric ranges on refeed days?

Fat – 30-40%
Protein – 10-15 %
Carbs – 45-60%

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

I'm typically on a lower carb diet, but I'm weary of staying on low carbs with superdrol and tren due to feedback I've heard of lethargy on SD, and blood sugar crashes on tren

Any other thoughts out there?

Rick, have you taken SD or tren with an IF protocol? Any issues during the fasted periods?

 

[bonacris]

I'm typically on a lower carb diet, but I'm weary of staying on low carbs with superdrol and tren due to feedback I've heard of lethargy on SD, and blood sugar crashes on tren

Any other thoughts out there?

Rick, have you taken SD or tren with an IF protocol? Any issues during the fasted periods?

Lethargy with SD can be eliminated with some test base..

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[WolfpackAlpha]

I'm typically on a lower carb diet, but I'm weary of staying on low carbs with superdrol and tren due to feedback I've heard of lethargy on SD, and blood sugar crashes on tren

Any other thoughts out there?

Rick, have you taken SD or tren with an IF protocol? Any issues during the fasted periods?

Tren is not insulin, this blood sugar 'crash' is more 'broscience' than anything else. If you go "low" carbs and you aren't doing ketosis, you are leaving the door open for your body to use protein for energy (aka muscles as fuel) especially on a bad enough caloric deficit.

That being said, 99% of guys out there don't need steroids. They are using gear as a crutch to mask bad dieting, training and rest habits.

 

[NegroPops]

Tren helps you get the most out of what you consume. I have never ran Superdrol, will be giving it a try soon, but from what I have read it puts on a huge amount of mass on you in a short time.. for it to do this, you have to feed it. So with tren and superdrol in the same cycle.. I think it will be very important to keep your carbs somewhat elevated to get the most of the compounds. Tren is great for changing someones body competition. Up until my last cycle.. all of my goals were to recomp, never really straight up had a bulking cycle. This past winter I bulked for the first time on cycle.. using 500 mg a week of test sust, 150 mg eod of tren ace, kickstarted with dbol. I went from being 6'1 190 at very low body fat, around 6-7%. To being 6-1 220 at around 10% body fat. And when I say I bulked.. I mean it. At the end of the cycle.. I was up to over 5000 calories a day and 500-600 grams of carbs per day on gym days. I gained an incredible amount of size and stayed lean at the same time. Honestly.. I was hitting up a Chinese Buffet or Mongolian BBQ 3-4 a week, just begging to get fat. And I couldn't. Just eat the carbs around the time when you most need them. At breakfast and Post workout. 300 grams per day is a good starting point in my opinion, and you can adjust it from there once you see how you are reacting.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

Since my body is used to low carbs, I think I'm gonna change it up for this cycle and spike the carbs up. If nothing else, my body could use a change to shake things up. If I start to bloat or get fat ill adjust them accordingly. Dang it would be nice to have a little freedom with the diet but I am not going to stray too far! Planning on starting a log when the cycle starts so I can keep anyone who is interested in the loop - with results of my diet choice, and also results from transdermal tren. Thanks for the replies bros.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Tren helps you get the most out of what you consume. I have never ran Superdrol, will be giving it a try soon, but from what I have read it puts on a huge amount of mass on you in a short time.. for it to do this, you have to feed it. So with tren and superdrol in the same cycle.. I think it will be very important to keep your carbs somewhat elevated to get the most of the compounds. Tren is great for changing someones body competition. Up until my last cycle.. all of my goals were to recomp, never really straight up had a bulking cycle. This past winter I bulked for the first time on cycle.. using 500 mg a week of test sust, 150 mg eod of tren ace, kickstarted with dbol. I went from being 6'1 190 at very low body fat, around 6-7%. To being 6-1 220 at around 10% body fat. And when I say I bulked.. I mean it. At the end of the cycle.. I was up to over 5000 calories a day and 500-600 grams of carbs per day on gym days. I gained an incredible amount of size and stayed lean at the same time. Honestly.. I was hitting up a Chinese Buffet or Mongolian BBQ 3-4 a week, just begging to get fat. And I couldn't. Just eat the carbs around the time when you most need them. At breakfast and Post workout. 300 grams per day is a good starting point in my opinion, and you can adjust it from there once you see how you are reacting.

That's great advice, tell newbies how great tren is, and don't forget to have it stacked with superdrol right? Tren linked to the same side effects as anadrol, liver cancer (heart problems) etc, so add some superdrol to make sure you kill your liver and cause the most damage to your body right? terrible advice.

You don't need carbs with tren or any other steroid, this is your bad advice based on 'broscience' you just made up. Stop telling members this bullshit.

 

[NegroPops]

LOL

sorry I gave my opinion on his diet, based on the cycle he plans to run