Strength Standards

[Tblock1]

Since it was being discussed who was strongest out of the people who have logs here, I thought I'd start a thread to see different people's opinions on the matter.

Here are my standards:

Bench:
1.25 bw=decent
1.5 bw=good
2+ bw= excellent

Squat
1.75 bw=decent
2 bw= good
2.5=excellent

Deadlift
2=decent
2.5=good
3=excellent

 

[oso0960]

Bench:
1 bw=decent
1.5 bw=good
2 bw= excellent

Squat
1.5 bw=decent
2 bw= good
2.5=excellent

Deadlift
2=decent
2.5=good
3=excellent

 

[bblazer]

I don't think these play well.

Think about your deadlift as an example. That would mean a guy like Brian Shaw would need a 1045lb pull to be rated as excellent. But then you get a guy like Ed Coan who squatted 1003 at 242 lbs.

I don't think its right to make a correlation between body weight and lifting capacity. It just isn't that simple. You might be able to come up with some metric that evaluated force or work vs body weight and that might be a bit more accurate.

B-

 

[moya]

wilkes formula would probably be better... at least thats what they use in competition...

 

[Tblock1]

I don't think these play well.

Think about your deadlift as an example. That would mean a guy like Brian Shaw would need a 1045lb pull to be rated as excellent. But then you get a guy like Ed Coan who squatted 1003 at 242 lbs.

I don't think its right to make a correlation between body weight and lifting capacity. It just isn't that simple. You might be able to come up with some metric that evaluated force or work vs body weight and that might be a bit more accurate.

B-

I agree with you in some cases, ie for people over 200 something it get less and less true. ie for someone like scotsman who is 320 and bench 435?(i think) that is a good+ bench and it is only 1.36x bodyweight. However if someone is 115 pounds and they bench 155, I would say they had decent bodyweight strength but, I would say they still aren't strong by any standards. However I think you can do bodyweight strength ratios because if you can squat 345 at 115 you may not be super strong by people's standards, but you are going to have a lot of power and be able to move your bodyweight quickly.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

there was an article on t-nation that had what your strengths should be in compparison to you lifts. So it would base all your lifts on a major lift. So for bench, it would have 100% bench. Then it would say your deadlift whould be 178% of that. If that makes sense

 

[ExtraMile]

this way of finding out strength is where the strong ass ecto's and the small built oly lifters smoke everyone

 

[musketeer]

Depends on what you train for.

Oly lifters can press a shitload overhead, but won't have amazing benches.

Some powerlifters can squat over 1,000lbs but probably can't lift 500lb in the front squat or clean.

Strongmen are really impressive all-round but will lose in all 5 lifts to specialized weightlifters and powerlifters....

 

[SaiBoT]

Honestly the video that Extramile posted about powerlifter vs strongman it's perfect for showing the uselessness of this thread...

Those three lifts alone don't say nothing about someones real strength... our body was made for multi directional strength, strength endurance, explosiveness etc etc

To Mr Tblock please reevaluate the quality and quantity of your standards, the way i see it you shouldn't be so shortsighted, open your mind...

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'm just a bodybuilder and I do pretty well with those weight numbers:

Bodyweight = ranges between 200lbs and 205lbs right now + been natural for a few months

My lifts, recovering from injury in my lower back and knee:

For a max I can bench, deadlift and squat 405 if I wanted to - that's more than double my weight on all three lifts.

But I can see how the heavier you get, your lifts increase DECREASINGLY

 

[Tblock1]

Honestly the video that Extramile posted about powerlifter vs strongman it's perfect for showing the uselessness of this thread...

Those three lifts alone don't say nothing about someones real strength... our body was made for multi directional strength, strength endurance, explosiveness etc etc

To Mr Tblock please reevaluate the quality and quantity of your standards, the way i see it you shouldn't be so shortsighted, open your mind...

Relax I'm not being shortsighted I just wanted to see what different people's ideas on strength were.

 

[needtogetaas]

I don't think these play well.

Think about your deadlift as an example. That would mean a guy like Brian Shaw would need a 1045lb pull to be rated as excellent. But then you get a guy like Ed Coan who squatted 1003 at 242 lbs.

I don't think its right to make a correlation between body weight and lifting capacity. It just isn't that simple. You might be able to come up with some metric that evaluated force or work vs body weight and that might be a bit more accurate.

B-

the little guys do that bro. You know that.

 

[b fold the truth]

I wouldn't fare so great...haa

I think the only way to measure numbers...is to measure NUMBERS!

 

[bblazer]

the little guys do that bro. You know that.

Yup. I wonder how little 242 Ed Coan would measure up?

B-

 

[the_alcatraz]

Like I said, the heavier you weigh, your lifts increase decreasingly.

 

[ExtraMile]

Yup. I wonder how little 242 Ed Coan would measure up?

B-

what about 220 matt kroczaleski with a 1003 squat?

that gives him a 4.6 x BW squat
ed coan at 242 with 1019 squat gives him 4.2 x BW

matt kroc also has:
3.7 x BW deadlift
3.4 x BW bench

he is a beast when it comes to comparing lift numbers with bodyweight

 

[Tblock1]

what about 220 matt kroczaleski with a 1003 squat?

that gives him a 4.6 x BW squat
ed coan at 242 with 1019 squat gives him 4.2 x BW

matt kroc also has:
3.7 x BW deadlift
3.4 x BW bench

he is a beast when it comes to comparing lift numbers with bodyweight

He is a beast any which way you compare it

 

[moya]

what about 220 matt kroczaleski with a 1003 squat?

that gives him a 4.6 x BW squat
ed coan at 242 with 1019 squat gives him 4.2 x BW

matt kroc also has:
3.7 x BW deadlift
3.4 x BW bench

he is a beast when it comes to comparing lift numbers with bodyweight

matt is a beast, but icant agree here... the equipment from coan's era to now gives WAY more advantage to the squat...
the one true lift left wont lie...
coan 901.7@220 dead...

 

[SaiBoT]

what about 220 matt kroczaleski with a 1003 squat?

that gives him a 4.6 x BW squat
ed coan at 242 with 1019 squat gives him 4.2 x BW

matt kroc also has:
3.7 x BW deadlift
3.4 x BW bench

he is a beast when it comes to comparing lift numbers with bodyweight

I agree with good bro moya, the way Ed Coan did it is truly amazing, unmatched to say the least.

 

[Tblock1]

I still think raw is the only true way to measure strength, except for maybe a belt for deads and squats. But I can understand why powerlifters like the gear, it keeps them safer and lets them put up higher numbers.

 

[Andalite]

I agree with musketeer actually. I think for me it all depends on a bunch of key exercises and how much a person can lift for that particular exercise. Bodyweight, etc means nothing actually. My big 5 exercises which really tells how strong a person is are:

1.) Deadlifts
2.) Front Squats
3.) Overhead Squats
4.) Overhead Press
5.) Pull-ups (done weighted for a 3RM)

Anyone who has an impressive ### on any of the above 5 exercises is (to me) very very strong. Also, like Musketeer said: someone who can squat 1000 lbs but fail at a 500 lbs front squat is NOT strong to me.

 

[ExtraMile]

He is a beast any which way you compare it

yeah man did you know he is spending the beginning of this year doing BBing in order to compete in a show in march? Its gonna be sick! (well i think its march anyway...)

I cant wait till his DVD is finished and I can buy it!

heres some previews:





sorry for the slight thread hijack


I agree that raw PLing is a better test of strength than the multicanvas stuff where guys have trouble getting the bar to touch their chest on the benchpress and stuff like that.

andalite are you and a few others saying that stats dont effect your strength and the only real way to measure is the actual weight you lift?

So would a 130lb high school kid who could deadlift 315 be weaker in your opinion that a 200lb adult who could deadlift 350?

 

[artificialaspirations]

I still think raw is the only true way to measure strength, except for maybe a belt for deads and squats. But I can understand why powerlifters like the gear, it keeps them safer and lets them put up higher numbers.

+1. I don't believe the standards posted at the top of the thread are intended to be equipped.

I have read that a good measure and balance of strength should be:
Press 1.0 x BW
Bench 1.5 x BW
Squat 2.0 x BW
Dead 2.5 x BW

I'm small and believe those numbers were obtainable. I've achieved press and bench and have 1.9 squat and 2.35 dead.

Lately I've been using the standards for raw powerlifters to access my progress.

WOMEN'S
Wt. Class 97 105 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 198+
ELITE 543 581 623 665 703 773 853 895 960 1012
MASTER 491 529 567 604 637 702 759 815 871 918
CLASS I 440 477 511 543 572 632 684 736 920 825
CLASS II 394 422 454 483 511 562 609 651 698 736
CLASS III 342 370 398 422 445 492 529 572 609 642
CLASS IV 295 319 342 361 384 422 454 487 525 553

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MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt. The classification standards reflect a lifter’s Total. A Total is achieved by adding A lifters best Squat, Bench & Deadlift performed in a sanctioned Powerlifting Competition.

 

[Tblock1]

+1. I don't believe the standards posted at the top of the thread are intended to be equipped.

I have read that a good measure and balance of strength should be:
Press 1.0 x BW
Bench 1.5 x BW
Squat 2.0 x BW
Dead 2.5 x BW

I'm small and believe those numbers were obtainable. I've achieved press and bench and have 1.9 squat and 2.35 dead.

Lately I've been using the standards for raw powerlifters to access my progress.

WOMEN'S
Wt. Class 97 105 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 198+
ELITE 543 581 623 665 703 773 853 895 960 1012
MASTER 491 529 567 604 637 702 759 815 871 918
CLASS I 440 477 511 543 572 632 684 736 920 825
CLASS II 394 422 454 483 511 562 609 651 698 736
CLASS III 342 370 398 422 445 492 529 572 609 642
CLASS IV 295 319 342 361 384 422 454 487 525 553

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MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt. The classification standards reflect a lifter’s Total. A Total is achieved by adding A lifters best Squat, Bench & Deadlift performed in a sanctioned Powerlifting Competition.

Yeah those powerlifting standards are a pretty good way to access strength. However on your bodyweight standards I'd say those numbers are perfect to be considered a "good" lifter, but you need to be lifting more to be considered truly strong. I follow your log and hope you get better soon dude!!!

 

[Tblock1]

I agree with musketeer actually. I think for me it all depends on a bunch of key exercises and how much a person can lift for that particular exercise. Bodyweight, etc means nothing actually. My big 5 exercises which really tells how strong a person is are:

1.) Deadlifts
2.) Front Squats
3.) Overhead Squats
4.) Overhead Press
5.) Pull-ups (done weighted for a 3RM)

Anyone who has an impressive ### on any of the above 5 exercises is (to me) very very strong. Also, like Musketeer said: someone who can squat 1000 lbs but fail at a 500 lbs front squat is NOT strong to me.

I'm sorry Andalite but I think that you can't not include the bench press. No matter how over rated people think the bench is it does tell very well how much upper body pushing strength you have. And also overhead squats are great and all but they are not really a good test of strength, and more a test of flexibility. Many guys who are extremely strong are not going to be able to overhead squat a lot. However I do think front squats are a better test of strength than back squats.

 

[SaiBoT]

I'm sorry Andalite but I think that you can't not include the bench press. No matter how over rated people think the bench is it does tell very well how much upper body pushing strength you have. And also overhead squats are great and all but they are not really a good test of strength, and more a test of flexibility. Many guys who are extremely strong are not going to be able to overhead squat a lot. However I do think front squats are a better test of strength than back squats.

Overhead press is a much more accurate measurement of upperbody strength than the bench press even when you are standing and need to push forward close grip inclined bench is the nr 1 exercise and actually Charles Poliquin uses this exercise to determine how good an athlete on upperbody pressing strength.

About overhead squats i'll just say is only after you get past the flexibilty issues and start working on some serious strength that you will be able to understand it. Someone who gets to handle heavy weight on overhead squats gets to have fully functional pressing strength and a core of steel.

 

[Andalite]

Overhead press is a much more accurate measurement of upperbody strength than the bench press even when you are standing and need to push forward close grip inclined bench is the nr 1 exercise and actually Charles Poliquin uses this exercise to determine how good an athlete on upperbody pressing strength.

About overhead squats i'll just say is only after you get past the flexibilty issues and start working on some serious strength that you will be able to understand it. Someone who gets to handle heavy weight on overhead squats gets to have fully functional pressing strength and a core of steel.

^^^ Agreed, naturally

 

[moya]

i'll repeat it again... wilks score dammit...
im pretty sure thats where the table of totals AA posted were derived from...

 

[moya]

oh, on that table im pretty damn close to master level if i lift @148... but with knee wraps, which are considered allowable in some raw feds...

 

[the_alcatraz]

+1. I don't believe the standards posted at the top of the thread are intended to be equipped.

I have read that a good measure and balance of strength should be:
Press 1.0 x BW
Bench 1.5 x BW
Squat 2.0 x BW
Dead 2.5 x BW

I'm small and believe those numbers were obtainable. I've achieved press and bench and have 1.9 squat and 2.35 dead.

Lately I've been using the standards for raw powerlifters to access my progress.

WOMEN'S
Wt. Class 97 105 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 198+
ELITE 543 581 623 665 703 773 853 895 960 1012
MASTER 491 529 567 604 637 702 759 815 871 918
CLASS I 440 477 511 543 572 632 684 736 920 825
CLASS II 394 422 454 483 511 562 609 651 698 736
CLASS III 342 370 398 422 445 492 529 572 609 642
CLASS IV 295 319 342 361 384 422 454 487 525 553

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt. The classification standards reflect a lifter’s Total. A Total is achieved by adding A lifters best Squat, Bench & Deadlift performed in a sanctioned Powerlifting Competition.

I would fit in the class 1 category for the 198 lbs. I could move up to Master if I work on those lifts for a few months.

 

[rikishi]

It's hard to measure. A guy who's 5 '8 250 will have a large advantage over a guy who is 6'5 250 because of the length of arms and legs. Less distance to travel to complete the lift makes it a lot easier for the shorter guy.

 

[musketeer]

I would fit in the class 1 category for the 198 lbs. I could move up to Master if I work on those lifts for a few months.

You're supposed to look at the bottom chart Alc...

 

[Tblock1]

Overhead press is a much more accurate measurement of upperbody strength than the bench press even when you are standing and need to push forward close grip inclined bench is the nr 1 exercise and actually Charles Poliquin uses this exercise to determine how good an athlete on upperbody pressing strength.

About overhead squats i'll just say is only after you get past the flexibilty issues and start working on some serious strength that you will be able to understand it. Someone who gets to handle heavy weight on overhead squats gets to have fully functional pressing strength and a core of steel.

My flexibility was fine for them as I'm pretty flexible overall but I just haven't found a place to put them in my routine. Interesting about the close grip inclined bench for strength test, I had heard of the 12 inch close grip flat bench being used but not the incline one.

 

[Andalite]

You're supposed to look at the bottom chart Alc...

I made that mistake too lol....I got all happy and shit but then it occurred to me that I'm pretty weak...how can their standards be so low..and then I continued reading...

My flexibility was fine for them as I'm pretty flexible overall but I just haven't found a place to put them in my routine.

You don't need flexibility for OH Squats. You need mobility. They're two completely different aspects though linked together. One deals with muscles and the other with joints.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

You don't need flexibility for OH Squats. You need mobility. They're two completely different aspects though linked together. One deals with muscles and the other with joints.

How do you get better mobility for OH squats? My arms always want to go forward and I always start going on my toes. My lower back feels tight if I try to stay on my heels

 

[Andalite]

How do you get better mobility for OH squats? My arms always want to go forward and I always start going on my toes. My lower back feels tight if I try to stay on my heels

You need to do mobility drills as a warm-up before each and every one of your workouts. Check out these videos to learn the drills. Select 8-10 of them every workout day and do them before you begin lifting.

Dynamic Mobility 1: Ground Up Strength: Dynamic Mobility Exercises

Dynamic Mobility 2: Ground Up Strength: Dynamic Mobility Exercises 2

Dynamic Mobility 3: Ground Up Strength: Dynamic Mobiltiy Exercises 3

Dynamic Mobility 4: Ground Up Strength: Dynamic Mobility Exercises 4

Ankle and Thoracic Mobility: Ground Up Strength: Ankle and Thoracic Mobility

Here is something I'd suggest for you:



Bird Dog for 12 reps: YouTube - Back Exercise - Kneeling Swimmer's Stretch
Bridges for 12 reps: YouTube - Bridge and single leg hip lift
Ankle Mobility for 10 reps: YouTube - Ankle Mobility Routine 1 of 2
Squat to Stand for 10 reps: YouTube - Squat to stand
Cradle Walk for 10 reps per leg: YouTube - Singapore Personal Trainer Exercise Videos, Cradle Walk.
Pull Back Butt Kick for 10 reps per leg: YouTube - Singapore Personal Trainer Fitness Videos, Pull Back Butt Ki
High Knee Pulls for 10 reps per leg: YouTube - High Knee Pulls

 

[the_alcatraz]

You're supposed to look at the bottom chart Alc...

shit lol

 

[b fold the truth]

MEN'S
Wt. Class 114 123 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 275+
ELITE 904 984 1059 1185 1298 1396 1471 1551 1607 1654 1728
MASTER 850 904 974 1087 1190 1279 1354 1476 1518 1518 1594
CLASS I 750 810 871 979 1068 1148 1209 1279 1321 1359 1420
CLASS II 661 712 768 858 937 1012 1068 1125 1162 1199 1251
CLASS III 571 623 670 754 820 881 932 984 1017 1045 1087
CLASS IV 502 543 586 656 712 768 810 853 890 914 951

Note: RAW Powerlifting is defined as wearing only a singlet and a weight belt.

Raw also normally means you can wear knee and wrist wraps.

I'm pretty sure completely raw (no belt or wraps) I can total Elite at the 275+ class. 700 squat, 700 deadlift, 328 bench. Should be easy.

 

[ExtraMile]

does anyone know of anything like what AA posted but for teens?

 

[bblazer]

does anyone know of anything like what AA posted but for teens?

Here is a link for the qualifying totals needed to be able to go to a state meet for High School powerlifting in Wisconsin.

B-

 

[Tblock1]

Here is a link for the qualifying totals needed to be able to go to a state meet for High School powerlifting in Wisconsin.

B-

One question: How much would you expect someone's lifts to gain with equipment? IE if I'm squatting 285, benching 255, and pulling 375 at 190,, how many pounds would I gain on squat and deadlift? I have a feeling I'd gain a lot on my squat with some more simple coaching and especially a wider stance, as I use a pretty narrow stance and go a ways under parallel even on my maxes. I also don't have nearly enough hip involvment. Thanks.

 

[moya]

One question: How much would you expect someone's lifts to gain with equipment? IE if I'm squatting 285, benching 255, and pulling 375 at 190,, how many pounds would I gain on squat and deadlift? I have a feeling I'd gain a lot on my squat with some more simple coaching and especially a wider stance, as I use a pretty narrow stance and go a ways under parallel even on my maxes. I also don't have nearly enough hip involvment. Thanks.

at first, not a lot, as you will have to adapt to balance the weight... but as you progress, id say arround 100 on the squat and 50 bench... i wouldnt expect to get much, if anything, on the dead...
but like i said, you do have to get used to training thay way first...just put on a suit and putting 100 lbs over your PR , you might have trouble just unracking it and walking it out...

 

[ExtraMile]

One question: How much would you expect someone's lifts to gain with equipment? IE if I'm squatting 285, benching 255, and pulling 375 at 190,, how many pounds would I gain on squat and deadlift? I have a feeling I'd gain a lot on my squat with some more simple coaching and especially a wider stance, as I use a pretty narrow stance and go a ways under parallel even on my maxes. I also don't have nearly enough hip involvment. Thanks.

i asked a similar question to SL about how much poundage you could gain with single ply suits and he said you could get 100lbs out of them if they were used properly and you had the help of experienced people...

about the wider stance, I am hoping my bench and squat jumps up when I switch to sumo squats and competition grip but after what moya said I realised it will take me a while to get used to it...

 

[bblazer]

One question: How much would you expect someone's lifts to gain with equipment? IE if I'm squatting 285, benching 255, and pulling 375 at 190,, how many pounds would I gain on squat and deadlift? I have a feeling I'd gain a lot on my squat with some more simple coaching and especially a wider stance, as I use a pretty narrow stance and go a ways under parallel even on my maxes. I also don't have nearly enough hip involvment. Thanks.

An experienced lifter that trains equipped might get 100 lbs out of a squat suit and roughly 50-80 out of a shirt. A deadlift suit will only help you start the pull - after the first 6" they are pretty much useless. Knee wraps maybe add 10-20 lbs if used correctly.

As you can see they key words here are training and correct use. Equipment is not magical at all - it just doesn't happen overnight. There is also something that needs to be noted. It can be argued that lifting equipment makes for safer lifts as they are incredibly supportive in nature.

Now does this all mean my lifters are getting all this added poundage? Probably not. They are maybe getting 20-40% of what the equipment can give them. They are too new to the sport to get full use. Also you can make the argument that the lower the weight lifted the less affect the equipment actually has on the lift.

HTH,
B-

 

[needtogetaas]

The only cheating I use is a lifting belt and wrist wraps. The belt is more for my safety then anything else and the wraps are for my chicken wrists.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I noticed a LITTLE pain after heavy deadlifts today in my lower abdomens, could this be because Im not wearing a belt and going heavy? (455x2)

 

[bblazer]

I noticed a LITTLE pain after heavy deadlifts today in my lower abdomens, could this be because Im not wearing a belt and going heavy? (455x2)

Probably not. You would feel it more in your lower back.

B-

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Probably not. You would feel it more in your lower back.

B-

What about a hernia?

 

[Tblock1]

An experienced lifter that trains equipped might get 100 lbs out of a squat suit and roughly 50-80 out of a shirt. A deadlift suit will only help you start the pull - after the first 6" they are pretty much useless. Knee wraps maybe add 10-20 lbs if used correctly.

As you can see they key words here are training and correct use. Equipment is not magical at all - it just doesn't happen overnight. There is also something that needs to be noted. It can be argued that lifting equipment makes for safer lifts as they are incredibly supportive in nature.

Now does this all mean my lifters are getting all this added poundage? Probably not. They are maybe getting 20-40% of what the equipment can give them. They are too new to the sport to get full use. Also you can make the argument that the lower the weight lifted the less affect the equipment actually has on the lift.

HTH,
B-

Cool thanks for the good answers guys. I don't ever plan on using any gear other than a belt unless I start powerlifting, but I wanted to know what my equipped lifts would look like.

 

[the_alcatraz]

bblazer do you have the qualifying numbers for an adult to compete in a powerlifting meet, no offense EM? lol

 

[spk55]

Ed Coan do this amazing squat drug free?

 

[bblazer]

bblazer do you have the qualifying numbers for an adult to compete in a powerlifting meet, no offense EM? lol

There aren't reallly qualifying numbers for adults. Anyone can compete to a certain extent. But as an example, here are the 2009 meet results for the Arnold Classic.

Also, if you look into this further, I would concentrate your efforts only on federations that use only singly ply gear, and no monolifts. For example, I do not take any numbers from the WPO with any sincerity. Christ, put me in a double ply canvas suit and a monolift, and I bet I could get close to 900-1000 lb squat.

HTH,
B-

 

[bblazer]

Ed Coan do this amazing squat drug free?

While no one can say with absolute certainty, I would venture to say that he was clean since he competed in tested federations.

B-

 

[SaiBoT]

While no one can say with absolute certainty, I would venture to say that he was clean since he competed in tested federations.

B-

Some said that he was in the sauce, but honestly who gives a fuck? He is the greatest and the way he did it nobody else can at the moment.

 

[b fold the truth]

There aren't reallly qualifying numbers for adults. Anyone can compete to a certain extent. But as an example, here are the 2009 meet results for the Arnold Classic.

Also, if you look into this further, I would concentrate your efforts only on federations that use only singly ply gear, and no monolifts. For example, I do not take any numbers from the WPO with any sincerity. Christ, put me in a double ply canvas suit and a monolift, and I bet I could get close to 900-1000 lb squat.

HTH,
B-

You really think so?

My squat rack is "similar" to a monolift although I do have to lean to unrack it but I don't have to move my feet. I've only squatted in breifs and suit once and did 800 (never had more than 500 on a squat bar before that day and didn't even have a squat rack at the time). I just don't see ME as having a 1k squat no matter how I get to do it.

I do agree that the IPF and it's feds and standards are the highest. I encourage my guys here to train and compete IPF style. Using anabolics or not, I suggest single ply gear and/or possible briefs as well.

 

[Tblock1]

You really think so?

My squat rack is "similar" to a monolift although I do have to lean to unrack it but I don't have to move my feet. I've only squatted in breifs and suit once and did 800 (never had more than 500 on a squat bar before that day and didn't even have a squat rack at the time). I just don't see ME as having a 1k squat no matter how I get to do it.

I do agree that the IPF and it's feds and standards are the highest. I encourage my guys here to train and compete IPF style. Using anabolics or not, I suggest single ply gear and/or possible briefs as well.

Wow you did 800 even though you had never had more than 500 on the bar before? Nice

 

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You really think so?

My squat rack is "similar" to a monolift although I do have to lean to unrack it but I don't have to move my feet. I've only squatted in breifs and suit once and did 800 (never had more than 500 on a squat bar before that day and didn't even have a squat rack at the time). I just don't see ME as having a 1k squat no matter how I get to do it.

I do agree that the IPF and it's feds and standards are the highest. I encourage my guys here to train and compete IPF style. Using anabolics or not, I suggest single ply gear and/or possible briefs as well.

Not really - I'm exaggerating to make a point.

Feds like the WPO that allow double ply canvas, use a monolift, and have a very interesting view of a parallel squat do nothing but turn the sport into the WWE.

Nothing against you or your rack, but I think it was Captain Kirk that said something on the order of "If you can't walk it out, you can't squat it..." in reference to feds that use monolifts.

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[artificialaspirations]

You really think so?

My squat rack is "similar" to a monolift although I do have to lean to unrack it but I don't have to move my feet. I've only squatted in breifs and suit once and did 800 (never had more than 500 on a squat bar before that day and didn't even have a squat rack at the time). I just don't see ME as having a 1k squat no matter how I get to do it.

I do agree that the IPF and it's feds and standards are the highest. I encourage my guys here to train and compete IPF style. Using anabolics or not, I suggest single ply gear and/or possible briefs as well.

you are often training by yourself man in your own rack. You have to do what you have to do. Its a nice setup. Safety first.

I think monolifts have their place just like rack pulls and board presses. They help you get used to heavier weights. That way when you do walk it out, the weight on your shoulders doesn't shock you psychologically.

I think walking out is the more difficult version of the lift and is what should be used to compare strength. When monolifts are used for records, it should simply be noted as such, so the inquirer knows the conditions of the lift, just like plys in a suit.

I'm still brushing up on feds so I don't know which ones are the most reputable.

Not to hijack, but I have RAW, USPF, USAPL, APF, WADBA?(the 2ply or unlimited push-pull fed), NASA, IPF, IPA, and APA near me. Which ones are reputable and which ones pass 1/4 squats and bounces?

 

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^^^

I would stick with IPF, USAPL, and USPF. I believe that they also have RAW divisions. I could be wrong on that last part, since it has been several years since I competed and things change.

If I were to get back into it I would probably just go with the IPF since they seem to be the gold standard. That said, just about any fed that only uses single ply (I have no problem with velcro), no monolift, and a real parallel squat would be what I would try and compete in.

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[b fold the truth]

Nothing against you or your rack, but I think it was Captain Kirk that said something on the order of "If you can't walk it out, you can't squat it..." in reference to feds that use monolifts.

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My feelings are so crushed right now..

A few years ago I walked out 700 and tore a tendon in my right foot walking it out. Got 3 reps and then had to dump it. I like the use of a monolift. I know that mine is A LOT harder than a real monolift as I still have to swing-GM mine out.

But I do love the IPF Rules and gear (except for the velcro rule).