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Like RG, Ive found out about the side effects of AS, first hand ...
It is true, the #1 side effect of AS is extraordinarly shitty lipid profiles ... ask me, I had one.
After using tren for just 5 weeks with some Testosterone thrown in the mix and 1 mg anastrazole ED, I had shitty ass values.
I had a fasting cholesterol test mid cycle with values of
250 total, 11 hdl .. ldl (dont remember)
[not fasting so this should be higher than normal]
three days later I retook it, fasting, thinking "this is impossible"
Total 272, ldl 212, hdl 11 ...
Holy fuck!
I discontinued AS, went on 20 mg lipitor ED, started Anti-E therapy ....
its now 8 weeks later and I just got my lipids back (again)
Total: 115
HDL: 52
LDL: 49
Trigylcerides: 85
This puts my LDL/HDL ratio at 0.9
My thoughts on how to keep the lipids safe.
*Do not use 17 aa steroids.
I have read an abstract on pubmed where they were giving people either 500 mg TE (test enanthate wk), 40 mg Oxandrolone wk, or none of the above. The ox group had to discontinue AS bc of SHITTY LIPID PROFILES after only a few weeks ... this was a controlled study so the ox was BTG.
*Do not use non aromatizing steroids (aside from nandrolone). If you supress T with roids (even 50 mg test reduces LH as much as 600 mg test week!!!) and you use a non aromatizing roid, you will have NO E in your body (nothing to convert) = you will get shitty ass lipids.
*Avoid saturated fats while on cycle--use alternate sources ... fish and lean boneless skinless chicken is great.
*Try niacin 2000 mg or a statin (lipitor) 10 mg while on cycle. (I know some people are down on statins while on cycle ... bc it "impairs liver function" but there is no evidence of this whatsoever. It may be a concern if you are pumping yourself full of 17 aa which mess with liver values anyhow, but if you are doing that, obviously your lipids are not your primary concern ... you should not mix the two though)
*Use < 800 mg total roids wk ... 600 if you can do it. All roids suppress HDL .. to some extent.
Bhasin S, Storer T, et al (1996). New England Journal of Medicine 335, 1-7
Finds NO DIFFERENCE in total lipids (total choletserol), trigylceride levels, hdl or ldl in any group treated with 600 mg TE wk ... so this seems SAFE (over a 10 week period)!!!!
Singh A, Hsia S, Alaupovic P, et al (2002) J of Clinical Endo & Metab 87, 136-43
Finds NO CHANGE in C reactive protein (CRP--a marker of inflammation) PSA (prostate specific antigen) or total or ldl cholesterol over 20 weeks!! in groups treated with 600 mg wk TE. HDL dropped significantly from 40 --> 34 over this period, but came back to normal within one month of cessation of steroid administration
*try to avoid overly androgenic roids. This includes fina again ... androgenecity contributes to shitty lipid profiles ... Im sure this will eventually accelerate atherosclerosis for those (many of us) who are predisposed to cardiovascular disease.
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Five studies I have looked up have seen NO BIG DEAL with using 600 mg TE for 10 weeks ... I would suggest this as a GREAT way to go! I will never go over 600 mg wk in the future!
NFG
It is true, the #1 side effect of AS is extraordinarly shitty lipid profiles ... ask me, I had one.
After using tren for just 5 weeks with some Testosterone thrown in the mix and 1 mg anastrazole ED, I had shitty ass values.
I had a fasting cholesterol test mid cycle with values of
250 total, 11 hdl .. ldl (dont remember)
[not fasting so this should be higher than normal]
three days later I retook it, fasting, thinking "this is impossible"
Total 272, ldl 212, hdl 11 ...
Holy fuck!
I discontinued AS, went on 20 mg lipitor ED, started Anti-E therapy ....
its now 8 weeks later and I just got my lipids back (again)
Total: 115
HDL: 52
LDL: 49
Trigylcerides: 85
This puts my LDL/HDL ratio at 0.9
My thoughts on how to keep the lipids safe.
*Do not use 17 aa steroids.
I have read an abstract on pubmed where they were giving people either 500 mg TE (test enanthate wk), 40 mg Oxandrolone wk, or none of the above. The ox group had to discontinue AS bc of SHITTY LIPID PROFILES after only a few weeks ... this was a controlled study so the ox was BTG.
*Do not use non aromatizing steroids (aside from nandrolone). If you supress T with roids (even 50 mg test reduces LH as much as 600 mg test week!!!) and you use a non aromatizing roid, you will have NO E in your body (nothing to convert) = you will get shitty ass lipids.
*Avoid saturated fats while on cycle--use alternate sources ... fish and lean boneless skinless chicken is great.
*Try niacin 2000 mg or a statin (lipitor) 10 mg while on cycle. (I know some people are down on statins while on cycle ... bc it "impairs liver function" but there is no evidence of this whatsoever. It may be a concern if you are pumping yourself full of 17 aa which mess with liver values anyhow, but if you are doing that, obviously your lipids are not your primary concern ... you should not mix the two though)
*Use < 800 mg total roids wk ... 600 if you can do it. All roids suppress HDL .. to some extent.
Bhasin S, Storer T, et al (1996). New England Journal of Medicine 335, 1-7
Finds NO DIFFERENCE in total lipids (total choletserol), trigylceride levels, hdl or ldl in any group treated with 600 mg TE wk ... so this seems SAFE (over a 10 week period)!!!!
Singh A, Hsia S, Alaupovic P, et al (2002) J of Clinical Endo & Metab 87, 136-43
Finds NO CHANGE in C reactive protein (CRP--a marker of inflammation) PSA (prostate specific antigen) or total or ldl cholesterol over 20 weeks!! in groups treated with 600 mg wk TE. HDL dropped significantly from 40 --> 34 over this period, but came back to normal within one month of cessation of steroid administration
*try to avoid overly androgenic roids. This includes fina again ... androgenecity contributes to shitty lipid profiles ... Im sure this will eventually accelerate atherosclerosis for those (many of us) who are predisposed to cardiovascular disease.
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Five studies I have looked up have seen NO BIG DEAL with using 600 mg TE for 10 weeks ... I would suggest this as a GREAT way to go! I will never go over 600 mg wk in the future!
NFG
