Started out wrong!! Bad Training!!

[gstacker]

If u do the 5x5 its going to be a few weeks before ur anyehere near needing a spotter and even then when u do it wont be for anything but bench and the final set...

 

[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

Can I ask a question, well more of a on going debate ...... Are you training for strength or size (hypertrophy) on your cycle??

If it is mass and size you are trying to attain, is a 5x5 programme suitable??! I believe the basic tenets of this programme are not ideally suited for hypertrophy.

Be interested to hear everyone opinions!?

 

[StevenM23]

Well in the long run for sure more mass and size , but I think the more strength u have , the more u can lift which will in turn make u gain more mass , I dong really care about strength cause i don't need in my profession but kinda need it haha

 

[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

I see what you are saying bud. There is a grey area between the distinction of what is strength training and what is hypertrophy training is. I guess it depends what your goals are! Well good luck with your training.

 

[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

Some of the basics are in this thread. I teach muscle injury and rehabilitation, and in particular my research is focused in the area of muscle damage. Take a look, should help to optimise your training.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/locked_and_loaded

 

[FlexManning]

Can I ask a question, well more of a on going debate ...... Are you training for strength or size (hypertrophy) on your cycle??

If it is mass and size you are trying to attain, is a 5x5 programme suitable??! I believe the basic tenets of this programme are not ideally suited for hypertrophy.

Be interested to hear everyone opinions!?

I think for the purposes of maximum hypertrophy a good argument could be made that it's not ideal. A lot of people need 40-70 seconds of time under tension for maximum hypertrophy. Stronglift proponents will of course say a lot of that's sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, and of course they're probably right.

I think if we looked at 5x5 programs compared to traditional bodybuilding programs without dismissing the human factor (how many people actually stick to a program?) it'd score pretty high. If anybody thinks it's easy to stick to a program for maximum hypertrophy just because you know it's solid and proven to produce results I challenge you to follow some of Charles Poliquins ideas. Possibly the greatest trainer on earth but his programs can be nightmares for the typical guy in an ill-equipped gym.

He has a point though in that he often says people are delusional about how fast twitch they are. I mean, there are guys with about a 12 inch vertical and pipe cleaner arms thinking they're genetic freaks. But on the other hand he often recommends explosive concentric lifting with 4 second negatives. I don't know if most people can mentally hold up to that for very long. It gets worse too, stuff like on your last rep of chins take 30 seconds to lower yourself down. We're practically talking Heavy Duty here only with 20 times as many sets.

 

[StevenM23]

Some of the basics are in this thread. I teach muscle injury and rehabilitation, and in particular my research is focused in the area of muscle damage. Take a look, should help to optimise your training.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/locked_and_loaded

Thanks man , yeah I'll look into it all

 

[StevenM23]

I think for the purposes of maximum hypertrophy a good argument could be made that it's not ideal. A lot of people need 40-70 seconds of time under tension for maximum hypertrophy. Stronglift proponents will of course say a lot of that's sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, and of course they're probably right.

I think if we looked at 5x5 programs compared to traditional bodybuilding programs without dismissing the human factor (how many people actually stick to a program?) it'd score pretty high. If anybody thinks it's easy to stick to a program for maximum hypertrophy just because you know it's solid and proven to produce results I challenge you to follow some of Charles Poliquins ideas. Possibly the greatest trainer on earth but his programs can be nightmares for the typical guy in an ill-equipped gym.

He has a point though in that he often says people are delusional about how fast twitch they are. I mean, there are guys with about a 12 inch vertical and pipe cleaner arms thinking they're genetic freaks. But on the other hand he often recommends explosive concentric lifting with 4 second negatives. I don't know if most people can mentally hold up to that for very long. It gets worse too, stuff like on your last rep of chins take 30 seconds to lower yourself down. We're practically talking Heavy Duty here only with 20 times as many sets.

Hmm that sounds intense man , yeah I usually try and do some negatives on my last set of each workout , really gets the pain going ( good pain)!!

 

[FlexManning]

Well his programs really get confusing because on one hand he's always talking about lifting huge weights and guys close grip bench pressing 400+ pounds, but he recommends each rep take like 5 seconds for 10 rep sets. That's a huge reduction in weight for most people. I'd be willing to bet for most on this board that's not even 50 pound dumbbells on say an incline bench. I don't know what it'd be for me I can't remember a set of bench presses ever lasting that long maybe I should try it.

 

[StevenM23]

Yeah that's like endurance workout eh, seems like it would be more of a toning workout , but tone is good too