Stacking 1-AD with Avant's 4-Andro

[thx9000]

I'm finally gonna give this a shot. I figure 6 pills a day along with ???? squirts of the 4-AD. The recommended dosage is 5 to 10 squirts 2x per day. That works out to a total of 320 to 660mg of 4-AD a day.

Does anyone have any experience stacking the two? Should I just go with the mid to high end of the recommended dosages? Kinda wondering about the synergistic results, or maybe just the synergistic risks...

If it matters I am 31 y/o, 5'11" 187# and have been at this on and off for about 8 years and solidly committed here for about 2.5 years.

 

[HarmsWayBC]

This is an interesting question.....Par Deus is working on a 1-Testosterone product called 'One' (what 1-AD converts to in the body)........

Perhaps stacking that and 4-A-Derm....

Quick question.......how do you like 4-A-Derm?

 

[thx9000]

Well, last time I went with Ergo pharm's two products (their 4-ad and 19-nor- products). I liked them, but think I might have gone a little overboard on the dosages (12 sprays 2x a day). Definitely noticed a few sides. They did "help" though...

This time I am going with the Avant product simply b/c Par Deus SEEMS like a stand-up guy and at the same time is fair and objective about his and other's products. Thus, I felt confident that, at the very least, I would be getting something on par with the quality of the Ergopharm products. Perhaps a better value...I know not very scientific. I don't start until next week, so I will let you know then about the 4-derm.

 

[Benzi]

I am on a 1-ad and andro spray stck right now. What is it that you want to know?

 

[thx9000]

I am on a 1-ad and andro spray stck right now. What is it that you want to know?

Well, are you just going with the 6/9 pills a day and 12 sprays 2x a day? Just wondering about dosing. Not really sure how much I expect to get out'a this, but I want to make sure I give it a fair enough shot without going overboard and completely wasting product.

 

[Par Deus]

I would recommend going with the low end of our dosing recommendations. I don't have time to explain why at the moment, but I will later this afternoon.

ParDeus
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[thx9000]

Par Deus

Thanks I appreciate it.

 

[Par Deus]

I would recommend going with the low end of our dosing recommendations. I don't have time to explain why at the moment, but I will later this afternoon.

The longer explanation:

4-AD exhibits a definite ceiling on its effects -- meaning there is a point where taking more will not do anything. This could be the result of:

1) Enzyme limitations.
2) Receptor saturation
3) That is works mostly through non-AR mechanisms (Bill Robert's theory)

If it is 1), 1-AD and 4-AD utilize the same enzyme, so you would limit conversion to the stronger androgen, 1-testosterone.

If it is 2), this would imply that it exerts a pretty weak signal at the AR, because it takes 1+ grams of an injectible androgen to saturate the receptors, and obviously 4-AD does not produce equivalent gains. Thus, again, you would have a weaker androgen competing against the stronger one.

If it is 3), the higher dose might be recommended, but outside of T-mag circles, this theory has little acceptance.

ParDeus
Big Motherfucker bodybuilding magazine
Issue #3 now on-line.
http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

 

[thx9000]

thanks, scenario #1 was what I was worried about. I will try to avoid it....