Split Routine or Full Body

[ProtienFiend]

Don't train to failure. Try it.

Dont mean to sound like a dick here. This thread is real funny though. Either way of training will make good gains, thus why I said mix it up. Shoot, you could lift a boulder off your chest, over your head, and behind your back; eat and juice well, and you will probably make noticeable gains. Work in a lumber yard or construction for a few months. Most likely, if diet is in check, you will cut up nicely without any other sort of workout (but remember I said CHANGE IT UP).

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

300 chin ups are great for back work,and yeah it's true that your biceps will get fatigued.....but doing that exclusively for biceps work doesn't make sense to me.what makes sense to me is doing barbell curls,and hitting the bicep from different angles using different exercises with heavy weight.somedays that's including alternating dumbell curls,hammer curls,scott curls,incline curls,and a shitload of other combined exercise possibilities.

I just wanted to quote this gem. Isn't fatiguing the bicep your goal with all the "angles"?

Would you agree that the guy that does 1000 pull-ups in a month will be able to curl a s much anabolic steroids the curl guy? Or, if not curl a s much, adapt sooner to the curl workout then it would take for the curl guy to adapt to being able to do 1000 pull ups in a month (and not walk around with crippled bi's and lats all the time)

I also wanted to quote this gem. I think a guy that does 1000 weighted pullups a month will have more curl strength than the curlmeister. Within two weeks of curl training he could have such incredible strength.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Who do you pull up fiends consider incredibly strong?
My top nominations are: Andy Bolton (1003 lb deadlift/2806 lb total), Gary Frank, Paul Anderson, Scott Mendleson, Gene Rychlak, ect. Basically superheavyweights that never do pull ups.
I'm the only 300 + pounder that I've ever seen do a single pull up (8 is my best effort), and I eventually strained my left elbow and forearm, and switched to pull downs.
My point? If you want 20" arms you do heavy close grip BB presses, and heavy cheat curls. You follow that up with strict isolation movements for your arms hitting them from different angles, and different rep ranges. That's what worked for me. I'm not saying anyone else should follow suit, but I consider myself genetically average, and if I could do it, so can many of you.
Like the Bro said "there is more than one way to skin a cat". I just take issue with the people flaming others when it's so easy to show contradictory proof.
no1 brawler, not to pick on you - your not the only one. How can you say most bodybuilders are so lost it's not funny. Ronnie Coleman uses a split routine and has gotten great results in all aspects of physical development (800 lb deadlift x 2). Most top bodybuilders have respectable levels of strength (400 BP), and some have amazing levels of strength (600 BP). I can't think of a single Pro BB that doesn't use a split routine. I can't think of a single top powerlifter (the exception was Jamie Harris a BP specialist) that doesn't use a split routine. I don't know many Olympic lifters, but the ones at my gym that compete also use a split routine.
Bottom line_Split routines work, that's why everybody who's anybody, and millions of others (like me) use some variation of the split routine.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

sub pullups with any other pull for the same effect. How about heavy rows, snatches, cleans, deads, etc.. There is more than one way to skin the cat, and I prefer to wear out my bi's with compound motions. I can still do cheat curls till Im blue in the face afterwards, and there is nothing wrong with that- but I dont have to anything for my bi's after enough pulling.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

sub pullups with any other pull for the same effect. How about heavy rows, snatches, cleans, deads, etc.. There is more than one way to skin the cat, and I prefer to wear out my bi's with compound motions. I can still do cheat curls till Im blue in the face afterwards, and there is nothing wrong with that- but I dont have to anything for my bi's after enough pulling.

After deads I train lats and abs. I save the arm training for after delt training, and again after pec training. Legs are another day with extra ab, glute, and hip training.
If you're happy with your arm size and strength without directly taining them great. I learned the hard way not to do to much tricep isolation work, because of the toll it took on my elbows.
Your results are the proof that your system is working for you - I'm sincere when I say that is all anyone should strive for.
I strongly believe in my present training system; as my arms are at there all time biggest, by bench is at a all time best, and my deadlift is just 25 lbs less than my all time best. I compete in powerlifting (push/pull only) and I'm 44. I fully expect to set a personal push/pull competitive record in the next 2 weeks.
Victory to all the Iron Warriors on EF!

 

[perp69]

I think you are trying to make a black and white issue out of a gray area. It depends on what your split is comprised of. I think it is fair to say that all full body workouts will use compound movements and are very effective for putting on mass and strength as long as you keep using some kind of progressive loading. Anyone can do full body lifts and make progress and they are great because of it. However, you can't say that about all splits because they can be any number of things. Where most guys are making the error on splits (as seen in my gym) is by depending on isolation movements to put on all their size and strength. In that case splits are not as effective as full body workouts IMO. Splits that incorporate the full body movements or compound type lifts are effective as long as you get rest and keep progressively loading.

Perp

 

[hyp1]

300 chin ups are great for back work,and yeah it's true that your biceps will get fatigued.....but doing that exclusively for biceps work doesn't make sense to me.what makes sense to me is doing barbell curls,and hitting the bicep from different angles using different exercises with heavy weight.somedays that's including alternating dumbell curls,hammer curls,scott curls,incline curls,and a shitload of other combined exercise possibilities.

I just wanted to quote this gem. Isn't fatiguing the bicep your goal with all the "angles"?

Would you agree that the guy that does 1000 pull-ups in a month will be able to curl a s much anabolic steroids the curl guy? Or, if not curl a s much, adapt sooner to the curl workout then it would take for the curl guy to adapt to being able to do 1000 pull ups in a month (and not walk around with crippled bi's and lats all the time)

I also wanted to quote this gem. I think a guy that does 1000 weighted pullups a month will have more curl strength than the curlmeister. Within two weeks of curl training he could have such incredible strength.

bro when you actually weigh over a buck fifty then you can talk shit,evidently the training you've been doing isn't working worth a shit hence your bodyweight and lack of muscular development.

To anyone that's getting good results with their program then by all means stick with it,my goal isn't to convert anyone over to split system training I've just found that it works well for me.

 

[needsize]

personally I dont think full body workouts are enough to build a complete physique, at an advanced level. When I was smaller, they were fine, but as I got more advanced, I needed to break things up, so I could concentrate on individual areas.
And anyone wanting to poke at bodybuilders saying we arent strong, I have videos on here of some decent lifts, ie, deadlift 500lbs x 9 reps, totally raw at 210lbs, squat 485x6reps rock bottom raw, bench 365x5, etc

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

bro when you actually weigh over a buck fifty then you can talk shit,evidently the training you've been doing isn't working worth a shit hence your bodyweight and lack of muscular development.

Im not trying to "convert" anybody, and have made no personal attacks. I am just stating my opinion. You dont know shit about me or the progress that I have made, nor do you know my goals (and that weight gain is not one). You take way too much consideration for a persons BW, I can only assume that you have issues with your own BW and self-image. 90% of the guys on this forum have insecurities about BW it seems.

This is a thread about training opinions, but so far I am seeing more trash talking than knowledge about training. This is the AS forum though, I guess I should expect more attitude and less thinking. I hope for thoughtful responses, however.

Needsize, great post. You are obviously training for BB purposes and your training works well for you. I wouldnt say that BBers are weak, especially the ones that understand proper training and progressive overload principles. There is nothing wrong with a split, I have a two day split. What kind of split do you run, and are you on any supplements?

 

[nolimitxxx]

Who here does a split body part routine and who does a full body routine?
And more importantly, why do you choose one over the other?

HIT and split