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Spank your child for punishment?

mostly_a_lurker said:
some very entertaining replies to this post.

my daughter is only 19months old and I couldn't imagine spanking her, i think it would hurt me worse. I once raised my voice at her and she just absolutely broke down in tears with all the huffing and puffing and short breath type crying, i felt so bad. But she's still too young to really know what she's doing. But I don't think I could ever spank her, even though I was spanked as a kid.


Did your mother or father ever tell you, "Son, this hurts me worse than it hurts you?"

19 months old is not old enough to spank in my opinion. There will come a time when you have to do it.

It does hurt to spank a child. I've cried a river of tears after spanking my two daughters. Being consistant in disciplining is the key. If you tell your child you will spank them if they do something then you need to follow through with it.

Letting them off the hook for doing certain things will only complicate matters.
 
HumorMe said:



Did your mother or father ever tell you, "Son, this hurts me worse than it hurts you?"

19 months old is not old enough to spank in my opinion. There will come a time when you have to do it.

It does hurt to spank a child. I've cried a river of tears after spanking my two daughters. Being consistant in disciplining is the key. If you tell your child you will spank them if they do something then you need to follow through with it.

Letting them off the hook for doing certain things will only complicate matters.

actually my mom never said that to me nor did I ever get that sense from her, no biggie. I got the belt for being too loud in the morning and waking her up.
But yeah, i know 19months is way too young for a spanking, at the moment my wife and I don't see the need for spankings any anytime during her life. But that's a little premature, the time may come where her actions just may warrrant one, but even then is it necessary? we'll most likely think of another consequence.
 
mostly_a_lurker said:


actually my mom never said that to me nor did I ever get that sense from her, no biggie. I got the belt for being too loud in the morning and waking her up.
But yeah, i know 19months is way too young for a spanking, at the moment my wife and I don't see the need for spankings any anytime during her life. But that's a little premature, the time may come where her actions just may warrrant one, but even then is it necessary? we'll most likely think of another consequence.


Give it time and have another child. Two children are a dead lock on spankings.

I don't spank them very often. I can usually just give them a look and all activities stop dead. My brother has a 16 year old daughter and he wore her ass out the other day for kicking her mother. Of course, she is a drama queen anyway and overreacts to everything.
 
Proper parenting is being firm in your expectations without being emotional. Don't yell at your kids.

A good time-out is just as effective as a spanking without engendering hatred and resentment.
 
casualbb said:
Proper parenting is being firm in your expectations without being emotional. Don't yell at your kids.

A good time-out is just as effective as a spanking without engendering hatred and resentment.
You have kids yourself?
 
casualbb said:


Being a man of science, shame on you: Correlation does not imply causation.

50 years ago, almost every child was part of a mellow nuclear family. They may not have known proper parenting by today's standards, but on the whole kids were better cared for relative to today, when many kids are born to underage mothers without fathers, etc.

Quite correct that this simple correlation does not equate to a causation, but it still easily disposes of the above list of "psychological traumas" and dysfunctionalisms which are purported to stem from a spanking. The empirical evidence destroys the notion that a spanking promotes violence, destroys character, produces hatred towards authority, etc.

The problem with all such models is that it focuses in on only two variables: spanking and psychological effect, it removes the person from the reality of the real world, where a multitude of variables influence the person.

You assume that everybody follows to a T the pscyhological guidelines for proper parenting. Heh, yeah right.

I do no such thing, for there is no "psychological guidelines", as the psychological community cannot agree on anything.
 
mostly_a_lurker said:
some very entertaining replies to this post.

my daughter is only 19months old and I couldn't imagine spanking her, i think it would hurt me worse. I once raised my voice at her and she just absolutely broke down in tears with all the huffing and puffing and short breath type crying, i felt so bad. But she's still too young to really know what she's doing. But I don't think I could ever spank her, even though I was spanked as a kid.

Just wait untill she is 16, smoking hot, and all the boys wanna see her milk shake, your gonna hate life if she is a wild one! It will drive you insane!
 
atlantabiolab said:


Quite correct that this simple correlation does not equate to a causation, but it still easily disposes of the above list of "psychological traumas" and dysfunctionalisms which are purported to stem from a spanking. The empirical evidence destroys the notion that a spanking promotes violence, destroys character, produces hatred towards authority, etc.

You're still assuming that people spank their children less than they used to. On what basis are you making that claim?

I say that that even though we now "know" how better to raise children, fewer people pay any attention to the recommendations.
 
casualbb said:


You're still assuming that people spank their children less than they used to. On what basis are you making that claim?

I do not have any data demonstrating the percentages of spankings per child, per capita, etc., merely the experience that older generations are very open about corporal punishment during their youth vs. the very apprehensive society of today. You would be hard pressed to find a person who grew up in the 40's and 50's who states that parents of their generation were afraid or wary of corporal punishment. Contrast this to today.

There are definately populations that can be observed where corporal punishment is still used heavily and have high rates of dysfunctionalism. Unfortunately, focusing only on this variable blinds the observer to many factors which are confounding to their conclusions.

I say that that even though we now "know" how better to raise children, fewer people pay any attention to the recommendations.

And I find many of the parenting modalities presented today to be insulting to my intelligence.

Damn, now it looks like I advocate beating children.
 
atlantabiolab said:


This pseudo-scientific bullshit is contrary to common every day empirical evidence. We are a nation, that up until about 50 yrs ago, had no problem with spanking children -and do not construe this to mean any type of physical force...a spanking is not the same as a pummeling - and our ancestors were well adjusted mannered functional individuals. Today, in our psychology dominated setting, we have some of the most fucked up dysfunctional kids ever, many of whom are comatose from pharmacuetical mind control.

Explain this major discrepancy.

Most of the responses I've read say that the dysfunction in kids you speak of were from kids who were spanked. That seems to be the norm for correction. Maybe the people you speak of are lazy parents.
 
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