someone please help me.....

[motar]

Yesterday I was at my girlfriends house, when her brother and his retard friend came over. Anyways my girlfriend was talking about how I got her on a ckd for awhile to lose some bodyfat. Then all of a sudden the 120 lb malnourished, never seen a weight in his life, retard friend goes on for about an hour how that a ckd will have huge long term effects on her body like her organs shrinking.

His logic was that in order to burn fat you need a lot of energy and since your body doesn't have any carbs for fuel it will turn to your organs since they are made of protein and start breaking them down. Then I stated you have around 400 g's of glycogen stored in your body and he goes onto state that your glycogen storages will only last 40 mins. Thats an interesting statement considering i do cardio 4 times a week, lift 4 times a week and do muay thai 2 to 3 times a week with just my glcyogen storages.

Then we start talking about weight training, he tells me in order to get cut you can do no less than 20 reps. I then responded and said that there is no such thing as a "cutting" excercise and an excercise that will make youre muscles bigger since muscle fibers are all stimulated the same way, stress overtime.

The whole time I just wanted to pick him up and throw him out the window, I just cant stand getting advice from a guy that has never worked out in his life and takes a nutritional class and then becomes a certified nutritionist. Hell I took a nutrition class at UCLA and our acclaimed teacher said never eat more than 15% of your calories from fat and we all know how great of advice that is.

Sorry about the rant but does anyone have any medical studies that show that your organs will not explode if you are on a ckd diet for a short time and also a study that shows that muscle building and muscle "cutting" are the same. I will give tons of karma.

Thanks for your guys time

 

[Shak]

check this out:

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/training-on-ketogenic-diet.htm

 

[onerepmaximum]

I saw this on a different board. It was originally posted by MS. It seems to address some of the things you were wondering about. I haven't been able to find any medical studies that are too fond of ketogenic diets. Personally, I think CKD diets are great. Here goes the quote from MS:

"The answers to your questions could take up most of a biochemistry class! But you need to remember (biochemistry aside) that very little is carved in stone when it comes to human nutrition.
Several things to keep in mind when your teacher raises these points. The first one is the concept held by many nutritionists and much of the medical community that "ketosis" means "starvation". There are many studies that show both in diabetic ketoacidosis and a similar state that sets in after 3-7 days of starvation (in other words NO food intake) that the proteins in muscle provide some (but not all) of the precursors for gluconeogenesis to keep the brain alive. At this level of starvation the body will catabolize around 30 grams of muscle per day. But this is NOT necessarily true when there is a significant source of dietary amino acids. Your nutrition teacher also does not sound (from your description) to distinguish between 'ketogenic' diets and 'cyclical ketogenic' diets. In the first case (such as Atkins) protein tissue will probably be lost if the person is also undergoing heavy weight training (anaerobic). But they should otherwise burn mainly fat. In the second case (CKD) the timing of heavy weight training relative to carb intake is timed so that the muscles can take full advantage of muscle glycogen stores instead of relying on gluconeogenesis. This is why it is not advised to hit the weights heavy once you're in ketosis on a CKD. In other words CKD (unlike Atkin's) is designed specifically to help retain muscle while losing fat in ketosis.

As a side note, you may wish to point out to her that gluconeogenesis does not=burning muscle. In a ketogenic state if you have enough fat lying around over half of gluconeogenesis will come from the glycerol residues that result from oxidation of fatty acids.


As far as biological value, suffice it to say that this is a very controversial topic and is really only relevant if your protein intake is marginal to deficient. In your well fed American population it is nearly meaningless.

Ummmm what else? Whey is the fluid left over after you've curdled milk. It is a leftover by-product from cheese manufacture.

High protein diets can stress the liver and kidneys if you've got a pre-existing condition or don't drink enough water. How many of you have had older cats suffer from kidney failure??? Lots I'll bet. A high salt diet, lots of alcohol,many oral steroids or too much Tylenol can also cause this! So what? As long as you know there is a risk and how to avoid problems then there is no big prob with short term high protein diets."

 

[Shak]

read this too - it's shorter and easier to read than that last article:

http://www.ketosis-ketoacidosis-difference.com/


and tell that skinny dork to shut the hell up.