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HamsterHider

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i never get enough sleep. for example last night i am exhausted but can't fall asleep until 2am i take a sonata 10 sleeping pill the doc prescribed and i wake up after only 6 hours of sleep. other nights i wake up at least 3 times throughout the night. i need more sleep my job requires i be very alert, my body needs mre sleep to grow. i need sleep. help!!!!
 
Have you tried melatonin. Also, there are longer lasting sleep aids like halcyon, tranquilizers, or some people are taking Serzone.
 
Ambien gives you a longer sleep than Sonata. Remeron will also knock you out but it is too strong....GHB will help but don't take itr more than 3 nights a week...
 
Try a little exercise it goes a long way. Walk a mile about an hour or two before bed. Don't take the lazy way out by taking scripts. Thats just wasting drugs take scrpts to get fuctdup.
sarg420
 
hmmm...if i do any type of workout before sleep i stay up even longer...my blood is rushing like crazy...HamsterHider, resolve problems in your life...i always heard the reason you can't sleep is because something is on your mind!!
 
melatonin
kava kava
valerian root
5 HTP
Tryptophane
 
I am the same way if i do any type of exercise within 6 hours I will not get to sleep. I take the 3 mg melatonin and a 3 mg time released melatonin. If i dont take the time release I will usually wake up in about 3-4 hours

VK
 
Melatonin (regular 3 mg pill) did nothing to me
 
cut all the b.s........get yourself some benedryl.........

yeah you could go see your doctor and get something better.......

just try benedryl 1hour before bed...

my doctor actually told me to try this, i told him i thought i had insomnia, he told me to try benedryl.......ive been using this for about 3 years.........man i could smoke some daym crack, take 3 benedryls and be out in 1 hour flat.......

my next door neighbor swears by meletonin, but yet he goes to bed at earliest 1 am, wakes up at 6am looks like shit all day, always in a bad mood........he`s skinny as all hell.......his bones crack and creak like a daym haunted house.........he`s only 20.....but he knows his stuff.........lol
 
Is there anything else

Hey

My Boyfriend suffers from sleepless nights too and often takes sleeping tablets, however this worries me a little, is there any other ways I could get him to sleep without the pills?

Ive heard of some yoga exercise that helps you sleep does anyoune know of this?
 
I've read that taking a hot bath about an hour before bed can help you get deeper (and thus more refreshing) sleep.

Does anyone know if any of the above-mentioned supplements/drugs increase the amount of DEEP sleep, as opposed to just helping with insomnia? I know that GHB is good for this, but I'd prefer not to commit a felony. Nothing exacerbates insomnia like prison.
 
I take Tylenol PM, or Simply Sleep, they can be addicting, I don't care what the labels say, even its just addicting as a placebo effect, where you think, damn I can't sleep, I need to take some more pills.
 
True Dat

Handsome Pete said:
I've read that taking a hot bath about an hour before bed can help you get deeper (and thus more refreshing) sleep.

Does anyone know if any of the above-mentioned supplements/drugs increase the amount of DEEP sleep, as opposed to just helping with insomnia? I know that GHB is good for this, but I'd prefer not to commit a felony. Nothing exacerbates insomnia like prison.

Thats definately True taking a HOT bath before bed helps sooooooo much, I also like to drink a cup of camomile tea
 
I take a prescription anti-depressant that also serves as a sleeping pill called Trazadone (generic). I take a very low dose, 25 mg. at night. It's non-addictive and also lifts my spirits. Good luck.
 
natural=valerian
5-htp


synthetic-xanax
valium

meditation,or even a couple minutes of relaxing the whole body and mind do wonders for sleep
 
i have had this problem for a while now and valerian root is the only thing that help. (even on eca). I stay asleep longer and better quality sleep. Good Luck
 
trial0rzgrl said:
i have had this problem for a while now and valerian root is the only thing that help. (even on eca). I stay asleep longer and better quality sleep. Good Luck

How much to you take ?
500 mg ? 1000 mg ?
 
I've used Theanine also and it is definitely good for getting a more restful sleep. It is an excellent relaxant. In fact I actually forgot about it, I'm going to get on it again. Thanks for the reminder. :)
 
herbs

There are plenty of herbs out there that aid in sleeping:
California poppy, hops, kava kava, lemon balm, passionflower, skullcap and valarian root. Valarian root are favored among most people and scientists. I like a blend of Passionflower and valarian root. Its best to not rely on a single herb but to rotate among several. Take them before bedtime.

-California poppy and chamomile strengthens the central nervous system to calm you before bedtime.
-Catnip has mild seddative properties as well as chamomile, which is safe for children and you can find them in capsules as well as in teas.

RECOMMENDATION:

-In the evening, eat baanas, dates, figs, milk, nut butter, tuna, turkey, whole grain crackers or yogurt. These foods are high in tryptophan, which promotes better sleep.
-Avoid alcohol. Small amoounts can induce sleep initially, bit it disrupts deeper sleep cycles later.
-Avoid tobacco. While smoking might have a calm affect, nicotine is a neurostimulant and can cause sleep problems.
-Avoid caffeine after lunch
-Avoid bacon, cheese, chocolate, eggplant, ham, potatoes, sauerkraut, sugar, sausage, spinach, tomatoes, ans wine before bedtime. These foods containe tyramine, which increases the release of norepinephrine, a brain stimulant.
 
grafix-GNC ,

What's the deal about tyramine ?

I am eating cottage cheese/yoghurt + cocoa before bed..
and I can hardly felt asleep :(

BTW I am also drinking coffee until 6pm (and strong coffee when doing cardio)
 
first of all the coffe till 6 thing is too late for you, you need to quit drinking it alot earlier.. second, tyramine is a natural substance formed from the breakdown of protein as food ages. It is found in aged, fermented, or spoiled foods. Generally speaking, the longer a high-protein food ages, the greater the tyramine content. Aged cheeses have the highest levels of tyramine. Tyramine basically causes migraine headaches (6g tyramine, as a rule of thumb) will give you a migraine) and high blood pressure, these all lead to those sleepness nights
 
You can use this a reference guide

Food: Brie and camembert
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-200

Food: Smoked ham
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-62

Food: Swiss-type cheese
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-250*

Food: Fresh pork
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0.5-4.1

Food: Cottage cheese and quark
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-1.3

Food: Fresh beef
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 2

Food: Roquefort
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0.7-110

Food: Chicken
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 2

Food: Flour
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0.03-0.25

Food: Chicken liver
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 10

Potatoes, tomatoes, spinach
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-0.4

Food: Deep-frozen fish
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0

Food: Most fruit
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0

Food: Canned fish
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-60

Food: Bananas
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0.2-9.5

Food: Chocolate
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-1

Food: Raspberries
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 1.28-9.25

Food: Beer (various types)
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-167

Food: Avocado
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 2.3

Food: Wine, (champagne type)
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0.3-2.4

Food: Orange
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-2.5

Food: Vermouth
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-6.7

Food: Liver
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 27

Food: White wine (various types)
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-2

Food: Salami
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-125

Food: Red wine (various types)
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 0-1.5

Food: Soy sauce
Tyramine content mg/100 g: 13-88
 
I have some 50mg trazodones,3mg melatonins,50-100mg 5-HTPs...I mix em together in a bowel and grab a handful before sleep..sometimes it works,sometimes it doesn't..I get the best results when I wash the pill cocktail down with a beer or two
 
I feel you. I have bad insomnia. All drugs like benedryl, tylenol pm keep me up even longer. The only way I can sleep is if i get totally hammered every night...aweful. Melotonin does not help either. I just got ambien, but you can only take it for a couple weeks. If anyone has any other suggestions let me know. I can totally relax, and be exhausted but my brain never shuts off.
 
Anyone ever have any success with using magnesium prior to bed? I know ZMA is reported to cause a deeper, more relaxing sleep (this would be the magnesium), but what about just using plain magnesium?
 
A Casual Fellow said:
I'd think there are more conventional ways to fall asleep than take GHB.

what's wrong with GHB ?

If taken with moderation it is actually not bad for your health
 
Hypnotica said:
try rubbing sesame oil on bottom of feet..its holistic helps calm nerves and relaxes

has this worked for you before? anything u can find that dont require takin pills would be better if it works
 
What I've tried:

Ambien - good stuff, but I wake a little groggy.
Valium - ugh, hangover city.
Xanax - see above.
G - nice, but too problematic.
Valerian root - love this stuff. Works really well.
Melatonin - had horrible, lucid nightmares with this stuff. Never again.

What I do now: A few exercises from an old tantric yoga book. Deep breathing, coupled with tensing of the muscles in each group, individually. Tense, then relax, repeat with next group. Go from the feet to the head. It doesn't knock me out, but I sleep REALLY well, and can pop right out of bed the next morning.

Sounds crazy, but hey, it works like a charm for me.
 
I take sonata now, but used to take clonapin. Like um both but they're real different. I still have nights that I don't even fall asleep for 1 second. I hate it. But there are things you'd never think of that affect whether or not you will sleep. I can tell you more if you want, but probably too petty for a post to all. good luck, it sucks i know
 
i like ambien but only on occassion. if i have not been able to sleep well for several nights in a row it is quite effective. some nights i take one when i think i will not be able to sleep. i fall sleep easily and won't wake up to piss or anything. the oonly drawback is i will wake up at 5 or so tired but unable to back to sleep another hour to avoid waking up groggy.

it is a cliche, but the best sleep is natural. it is one of life's great mysteries why it can difficult to get a good night's sleep sometimes. i often cannot sleep when i am excited (in a good way) with things going on with my business and can't wait till the morning. other times i have trouble sleeping because i am worried about something, that ususally turns out to bea waste of worry. oh well, life cannot be perfect.
 
for me Melatonin makes wonders...I'm 27, and from i took it the first night I remember when i was 20 and could sleep forever after a long party...
 
generic xanax .5mg will work wonders if you are having trouble sleeping. they are very good and you shouldnt wake up groggy in the morning. I find if I am lying in bed and cannot sleep, I can take a half and in about 15 minutes it is lights out for me.
 
gotta be careful of xanax. it is part of the benziodiampem (sp) class of drugs which are addictive. ambien is part of newer class of sleeping aids that are less addictive, at least physically.
 
Bump for an old thread, because I was wide awake at 3:20 AM. Fuck!

I actually went to a walk-in clinic not long ago, after having a 4-day stretch of bad insomnia. Doc prescibed me zopiclone (Imovane, Rhovane), and WOW, does that shit work good. My regular doc is against rx meds for sleep problems; he says it's too easy to get psychologically addicted. I can see why, because this shit works well.

Re-read an old post about melatonin, someone had mentioned taking 12-20mg. Seems like a lot, but I may try 12mg tomorow night.

Anyways, if anyone have any new tricks.....I'll be awake. :mad:
 
most posts are in the 10-20mg range but 1 person on here said thats way too much and recommended .3 to .5mg, i got the 300mcg (.3mg) version by rexall actually about a year ago and i dissolve one subglossally, in about 15 mins i can crash, seems to intensify my dreams but im not sure thats the sole cause, considering how cheap and easily obtainable it is, why not start small? you can always take more
 
Tried 12mg of melatonin last night. Slept fairly well, but then again, I was a bag of crap from the night before.

I'll have to try it next week, I switch to nightshifts for work tonight.
 
Kava-kava
 
Anthrax said:
Kava-kava

Pulled from Canadian shelves. Click here.

Tried it about 5 years about prior to the reports of liver damage. Was a strange kind of sedative, that's for sure. I felt mildly drunk prior to hitting the sack. But, in light of recent findings, rare or not, I'd rather keep my liver.
 
MikeMartial said:
Pulled from Canadian shelves. Click here.

Tried it about 5 years about prior to the reports of liver damage. Was a strange kind of sedative, that's for sure. I felt mildly drunk prior to hitting the sack. But, in light of recent findings, rare or not, I'd rather keep my liver.

BS
The very rare case of liver damage were due to poor quality kava-kava

Kava-kava has been used for years (centuries ?) in some tropical islands ans is certainly less dangerous that most sleep drugs
 
Anthrax said:
what's wrong with GHB ?

If taken with moderation it is actually not bad for your health

Take it from someone who is an Authority on G.....stay the FUCK away from it.

"If taken with moderation it is actually not bad for your health" the problem with that satement is that a lot of dead people said the same thing. You see there is a very THIN line between the dosage for relaxation/Sleep(GBL 1 dram vial, GHB 2 dram) and death(GBL 2 dram vial, GHB 2x 2 dram). GHB has put many people through a living hell and has sent many to their maker. Its killed 3 of my good friends. I used to take it to help me sleep while I was on growth but it didn't take long before I mastered the dosage and was just taking it for the euphoria. That shit wrapped its grip around me and thats all I'm saying....other than seizures, comas, hospitals, DUI's, police and funerals all of which you will learn about if you choose to it pick up.

"A wise man learns from his mistakes, I wiser man learns from others"

Good luck
 
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i have taken it for almost 2 years with no deleterious effects and it has done wonders for my insomnia, i recently had a spiral ct w/tracer and no probs, i feel good the next day, i know a group of people that have taken it almost as long with no problems, ghb is a nutrient, it is found in food and in your body naturally, it used to be sold for just a few bucks otc til all the reefer madness buzz came out which was essentially the gov helping pharma cos have a monopoly and make tons of cash, shocker, my question is were you taking pharmaceutical grade (you can get a prescription in cali) or mixing it up yourself? what other drugs were you taking with it? all these reported "deaths and seizures" are just the same kind of bs that goes with marijuana, like 40,000 people a year die from it, they dont mention that they were all dead drunk and crashing into fast moving vehicles, ghb especially doesnt go well with alcohol, i can find studies and you can find studies supporting anything you want, i used weed for over 10 years with no problems before i gave it up and i have used ghb for over 2 with none, ive never taken more than 3.5g and my reg dose is 3.125g
 
what is Deleterious? I use dit for 4 years. Now I have uncontrolled anxiety. Yes I used it 6 times a day, but the side effects are not good. If I could take it back I would. But now I can't, I just live day by day wishing I had not overdon GHB. A good drug but bad. Hallucinations, sleep deprivation and paranoia is not a good side effect of muscle gain.
 
Morb said:
i have taken it for almost 2 years with no deleterious effects and it has done wonders for my insomnia, i recently had a spiral ct w/tracer and no probs, i feel good the next day, i know a group of people that have taken it almost as long with no problems, ghb is a nutrient, it is found in food and in your body naturally, it used to be sold for just a few bucks otc til all the reefer madness buzz came out which was essentially the gov helping pharma cos have a monopoly and make tons of cash, shocker, my question is were you taking pharmaceutical grade (you can get a prescription in cali) or mixing it up yourself? what other drugs were you taking with it? all these reported "deaths and seizures" are just the same kind of bs that goes with marijuana, like 40,000 people a year die from it, they dont mention that they were all dead drunk and crashing into fast moving vehicles, ghb especially doesnt go well with alcohol, i can find studies and you can find studies supporting anything you want, i used weed for over 10 years with no problems before i gave it up and i have used ghb for over 2 with none, ive never taken more than 3.5g and my reg dose is 3.125g


More power to you......enjoy!

Here's a link for all those poor souls that shared your point of view.

CLICK ON "Tragedies"

www.projectghb.org

Theres always room for one more!
 
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MissTess said:
I take a prescription anti-depressant that also serves as a sleeping pill called Trazadone (generic). I take a very low dose, 25 mg. at night. It's non-addictive and also lifts my spirits. Good luck.


Trazadone rocks and puts me into a deep sleep, I've taken many others, including dangerous benzo's and trazadone is the best!
 
Morb said:
Iis found in food and in your body naturally, it used to be sold for just a few bucks otc

True. GHB is the best, safest, cleanest sleep-aid (among it's other uses) there is. It's been used worldwide for many indications. One of the top five is insomnia. You can get a prescription for it in the US. It's current indications are for narcolepsy and cataplexy but most prescriptions are for off-label use. The next FDA approval will most likely be for insomnia. I have been using it for years. For real, objective information on GHB check out writings by Dr. Ward Dean and CERI.

http://www.warddeanmd.com/ghb.htm
http://www.ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml
 
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There are at least 15 INDs filed with the FDA for (GHB)
1) improving sleep patterns and maintaining daytime alertness in narcolepsy, (including isomnia)
2) reducing schizophrenic symptoms,
3) stabilizing Parkinson's disease,
4) reducing nocturnal myoclonus (painful leg cramps at night),
5) improving memory problems,
6) stimulating natural growth hormone release,
7) decreasing pain and improving sleep in fibromyalgia,
8) relieving symptoms in Huntington's chorea,
9) regulating muscle tone in dystonia musculorum deformans,
10) controlling tardive dyskinesia symptoms,
11) decreasing drug withdrawal symptoms (alcohol and opiates),
12) decreasing hyperactivity and learning disabilities in children,
13) inducing sedation and tranquilization,
14) relieving anxiety, and
15) lowering cholesterol.


The incredible dichotomy between GHB as a safe miracle nutrient (with extensive applications to a host of human maladies) and GHB as a lethal "designer drug" (used for date rape and other nefarious purposes) can hardly be more striking. This can hardly be an accident. It must be by design. But who's design?

Now because of this the FDA alone stands to make at least $15 BILLION from GHB regulation. Now the DEA will continually make bank on in "drug investigations" suposedly involving GHB. Don't forget the pharmacheutical companies and doctors. A suppliment that was once sold at health food stores now has the same government scheduling as herion. Because of this hysteria what I could have gotten for a couple dolars a month OTC I now have to pay over $700 a month! Not only that I am forced to continually see a specialist that I have to pay (out of pocket) to keep my prescription. Luckly my insurance covers most of the cost of the prescription (for now) but I'm now in jepordy of losing my health coverage. That's a pretty scary thought alone.

OK...So I went a little off-topic but I had to vent a bit. This propaganda has led to disgustingly distorted, inaccurate, depictions of a extremely safe and usefull nutrient. Prohibition has no positive end result for citizens. The only thing it protects is profit.
 
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MikeMartial said:
Good, informative posts, guys.

But that doesn't help much if you live in Canada, and it's near impossible to find.

You can get a prescription for GHB in the US. The brand name is Xyrem. Are you sure you can't in Canada?
 
GHB is dangerous.. why in the hell would anyone willingly take that.. i have seen what it does to people. Plus alot of the GHB out there isint pure
 
Prettylittlepest said:
GHB is dangerous.. why in the hell would anyone willingly take that.. i have seen what it does to people. Plus alot of the GHB out there isint pure

This is the exact ignorance I'm speaking of. Dangerous? GHB has no toxicity to the human body. It is safer than alcohol and even Tylenol.

"We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground." -Dr. Ward Dean

It has no physical addiction effects. There is no physical withdrawl. I've been on practically every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI. And many benzos. Now, they have some very real physcial widthdrawl.

I have been using it (GHB) for years, multiple times, daily. I can (and do) stop for short or extended periods of time, at any time.

If there is any possibility addiction it is simply pyschological. The same people that would become addicted to it would probably be addicted to many other things. It would be better to be addicted to something non-toxic (which GHB is - even at high doses). There are no deaths directly related to GHB and no long-term negative effects. If you "over-dose" you sleep - really well. Then you wake up. Simple as that. It is when adding CNS depressants, or pre-exsisting conditions/complications is when it may cause a problem. I would much rather take something natural and non-toxic like GHB than any current anti-convulsant/ benzo daily for my condition.

As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established, and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences In the Canadian studies of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence “other than deep sedation and headache the next day” [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France, sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by “a large number of patients for about six years” without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].
 
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Not sure but did anyone mention Seroquel. I took it for the first time a few weeks ago and it knocked me on my ass for about 10 hours straight. I have taken Ambein in the past but this stuff is way better.
 
i have a shitload of seroquel . that shit knocked me the fuck out and i didnt want to wake up....i ended up givin most of it away. tranquilizers suck...im usually pretty immune to sleepin pills but these killed me.
 
kingc_79 said:
i have a shitload of seroquel . that shit knocked me the fuck out and i didnt want to wake up....i ended up givin most of it away. tranquilizers suck...im usually pretty immune to sleepin pills but these killed me.

That's because while they'll make you tired it's shitty sleep.
 
Sereoqel works great but it also is good at promoting weight gain.. I got my ass off at that so fast
 
Speaking from someone who used to go out frequently the G here is Canadan is very dirty. They use house hold cleaners, whatever they can find as filler.

DeltreeFitness said:
This is the exact ignorance I'm speaking of. Dangerous? GHB has no toxicity to the human body. It is safer than alcohol and even Tylenol.

"We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground." -Dr. Ward Dean

It has no physical addiction effects. There is no physical withdrawl. I've been on practically every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI. And many benzos. Now, they have some very real physcial widthdrawl.

I have been using it (GHB) for years, multiple times, daily. I can (and do) stop for short or extended periods of time, at any time.

If there is any possibility addiction it is simply pyschological. The same people that would become addicted to it would probably be addicted to many other things. It would be better to be addicted to something non-toxic (which GHB is - even at high doses). There are no deaths directly related to GHB and no long-term negative effects. If you "over-dose" you sleep - really well. Then you wake up. Simple as that. It is when adding CNS depressants, or pre-exsisting conditions/complications is when it may cause a problem. I would much rather take something natural and non-toxic like GHB than any current anti-convulsant/ benzo daily for my condition.

As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established, and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences In the Canadian studies of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence “other than deep sedation and headache the next day” [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France, sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by “a large number of patients for about six years” without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].
 
JMD said:
Not sure but did anyone mention Seroquel. I took it for the first time a few weeks ago and it knocked me on my ass for about 10 hours straight. I have taken Ambein in the past but this stuff is way better.

Seroquel is indicated for bipolar disorder and schizophernia; a side effect of most dibenzothiazepine derivatives is tiredness. Since insomnia isn't a primary indication, I doubt many physicians would prescribe it soley for that.

A few posts here perked my interest in GHB, and I found a good medical-orineted paper on it here. Xyrem sounds like a great idea---convincing my doc I actually have narcolepsy would be an Oscar-winning performance. I think GHB has great potential, but it also seems to have some bad side effects, regardless if it's clean or not.

To date, 7.5mg of Imovane knocks me out cold ;)
 
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MikeMartial said:
Seroquel is indicated for bipolar disorder and ....


To date, 7.5mg of Imovane knocks me out cold ;)

I wish Imovane 7.5 would knock me out.. for now i stay sleepless
 
Prettylittlepest said:
Speaking from someone who used to go out frequently the G here is Canadan is very dirty. They use house hold cleaners, whatever they can find as filler.

OK you're talking about some unlabeled bottle of liquid from an unknown source. It's also probably not accurately or consistancy dosed/measured. For all you know that could be almost anything. It may have not been GHB or GBL. At least not pure. This is a big problem with many other substances. Though your choice but not nessasarily your fault. This ia a product of prohibition.

I used to make my own GHB. I never used any household chemicals either. I did use some ethanol. I now have a prescription for GHB so it's now "pharmacuetical grade".

Here's why GHB is better for GHB than any of the above mentioned drugs.

CERI said:
GHB has been called “almost an ideal sleep inducing substance” [Smart Drugs II, p. 245]. Small doses produce relaxation, tranquility and drowsiness which make it extremely easy to fall asleep naturally. Higher doses increase the drowsiness effect and decrease the time it takes to fall asleep. A sufficiently large dose of GHB will induce sudden sleep within five to ten minutes [Laborit, 1964]. Many other hypnotics interfere with various stages of the sleep cycle thus preventing the body from achieving a complete and balanced session of rest and recuperation. The most remarkable facet of GHB-induced sleep is its physiological resemblance to normal sleep. For instance, GHB sleep is characterized by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the arteries, as in normal sleep [Vickers, 1969]. During normal and GHB sleep, the CNS continues to be responsive to “noxious stimuli” (pain and other irritations), a factor which sets limits on GHB’s uses in anesthesia [Vickers, 1969]. GHB facilitates both REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, and “slow-wave” (non-REM) sleep, the stage of sleep featuring increased release of growth hormone [Laborit, 1972]. And unlike the unconsciousness induced by other anesthetics, that triggered by GHB does not feature a systemic decrease in oxygen consumption [Laborit, 1964].

The primary disadvantage to GHB’s use as a sleep aid is it’s short-term influence — about three hours. During GHB’s influence, sleep is deeper and more restful, but after the GHB has worn off, people have a tendency to wake up. The higher the dose, the greater is this tendency. Some have called this pattern the “dawn effect” and have speculated that it is related to the release of stored-up dopamine. Some people minimize this effect by taking minimal doses of GHB. Others take advantage of this effect by getting a couple of hours of work done in the middle of the night. Still others choose to take a second dose of GHB to sleep for another three hours.

So it's biggest disadvantage is it's half-life. This is only a temporary annoyance. There is a formulation in the works to extend it's duration.

P.S.

@anyone - Please do not PM for a source. I do not condone manufacturing or selling of anything illegal.
 
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Anthrax said:
BS
The very rare case of liver damage were due to poor quality kava-kava

Kava-kava has been used for years (centuries ?) in some tropical islands ans is certainly less dangerous that most sleep drugs

lol Anthrax you have a rep for recommending everything everyone else says to avoid. :p
 
It's defiantely not ignorance. GHB well at least in Canada for the most part is not clean and drinking battery acid or coolant is not my idea of safe


DeltreeFitness said:
This is the exact ignorance I'm speaking of. Dangerous? GHB has no toxicity to the human body. It is safer than alcohol and even Tylenol.

"We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground." -Dr. Ward Dean

It has no physical addiction effects. There is no physical withdrawl. I've been on practically every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI. And many benzos. Now, they have some very real physcial widthdrawl.

I have been using it (GHB) for years, multiple times, daily. I can (and do) stop for short or extended periods of time, at any time.

If there is any possibility addiction it is simply pyschological. The same people that would become addicted to it would probably be addicted to many other things. It would be better to be addicted to something non-toxic (which GHB is - even at high doses). There are no deaths directly related to GHB and no long-term negative effects. If you "over-dose" you sleep - really well. Then you wake up. Simple as that. It is when adding CNS depressants, or pre-exsisting conditions/complications is when it may cause a problem. I would much rather take something natural and non-toxic like GHB than any current anti-convulsant/ benzo daily for my condition.

As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established, and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences In the Canadian studies of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence “other than deep sedation and headache the next day” [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France, sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by “a large number of patients for about six years” without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].
 
RussianRocket said:
lol Anthrax you have a rep for recommending everything everyone else says to avoid. :p

Actually a lot of people are taking kava

I've even read yesterday that Britney Spears was taking some kava drink to get pregnant :)
 
BTW, do you know if it matters wheter you take melatonin on a full stomach ?
(I may try the sublingual form)

[I take it along with a huge pre-bed shake]
 
HamsterHider said:
i never get enough sleep. for example last night i am exhausted but can't fall asleep until 2am i take a sonata 10 sleeping pill the doc prescribed and i wake up after only 6 hours of sleep. other nights i wake up at least 3 times throughout the night. i need more sleep my job requires i be very alert, my body needs mre sleep to grow. i need sleep. help!!!!


Clonazepam
 
Anyone able to get some sublingual melatonin in Canada? I haven't seen any in the stores yet. Tried splitting a 3mg capsule and taking about half under the tongue---didn't work worth a shit. Sublingual must be molecularly different.
 
DeltreeFitness said:
This is the exact ignorance I'm speaking of. Dangerous? GHB has no toxicity to the human body. It is safer than alcohol and even Tylenol.

"We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground." -Dr. Ward Dean

It has no physical addiction effects. There is no physical withdrawl. I've been on practically every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI. And many benzos. Now, they have some very real physcial widthdrawl.

I have been using it (GHB) for years, multiple times, daily. I can (and do) stop for short or extended periods of time, at any time.

If there is any possibility addiction it is simply pyschological. The same people that would become addicted to it would probably be addicted to many other things. It would be better to be addicted to something non-toxic (which GHB is - even at high doses). There are no deaths directly related to GHB and no long-term negative effects. If you "over-dose" you sleep - really well. Then you wake up. Simple as that. It is when adding CNS depressants, or pre-exsisting conditions/complications is when it may cause a problem. I would much rather take something natural and non-toxic like GHB than any current anti-convulsant/ benzo daily for my condition.

As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established, and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences In the Canadian studies of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence “other than deep sedation and headache the next day” [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France, sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by “a large number of patients for about six years” without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].



Gamma butyrolactone (GBL) diluted in water is often sold as GHB. GBL is fully converted to GHB in the body within minutes, but has the nasty habit of acidifying your bodily fluids in the process. The acidification (clinically called acidosis) has the habit of imbalancing potassium levels and leaching calcium from your bones, resulting in bone aches (typically in the leg/knee area).

Even if what you have is GHB in water, GHB and GBL exist in a chemical equilibrium in water (meaning if you have one dissolved in water, the other will start to form). Even if what was dissolved in water was initially GHB, over time around 33% of it will convert back to GBL.



what say you about ghb acidosis?
 
Morb said:
Gamma butyrolactone (GBL) diluted in water is often sold as GHB. GBL is fully converted to GHB in the body within minutes, but has the nasty habit of acidifying your bodily fluids in the process. The acidification (clinically called acidosis) has the habit of imbalancing potassium levels and leaching calcium from your bones, resulting in bone aches (typically in the leg/knee area).

Even if what you have is GHB in water, GHB and GBL exist in a chemical equilibrium in water (meaning if you have one dissolved in water, the other will start to form). Even if what was dissolved in water was initially GHB, over time around 33% of it will convert back to GBL.



what say you about ghb acidosis?

It is GHB sodium. AKA Sodium Oxybate. A powder diluted in water. Pharmacuetical grade.
 
I'll say that, for me, klonopin was the best sleep-aid I ever used... damn I wish I still had a script for it!
 
FknKnuckleHd said:
Take it from someone who is an Authority on G.....stay the FUCK away from it.

"If taken with moderation it is actually not bad for your health" the problem with that satement is that a lot of dead people said the same thing. You see there is a very THIN line between the dosage for relaxation/Sleep(GBL 1 dram vial, GHB 2 dram) and death(GBL 2 dram vial, GHB 2x 2 dram). GHB has put many people through a living hell and has sent many to their maker. Its killed 3 of my good friends. I used to take it to help me sleep while I was on growth but it didn't take long before I mastered the dosage and was just taking it for the euphoria. That shit wrapped its grip around me and thats all I'm saying....other than seizures, comas, hospitals, DUI's, police and funerals all of which you will learn about if you choose to it pick up.

"A wise man learns from his mistakes, I wiser man learns from others"

Good luck

If you can't handle it, stay away from it. That's why your a "FknKnuckleHd" and I have a "Pns 2 Nv". I used G every night for 3 years. First rule of pharmaceuticals: Know your dosages. The graveyard's are full of idiots who didn't follow that rule. Sorry about your friends, but if you overdose, you're a dumbass. End of Story!

I didn't use it to go to raves, drive my car, work out... I used it to get into Deep REM sleep (where Growth Hormone is released, a pleasant side effect) instantly.

It's great stuff. I was able to sleep 4 hours a night instead of 8 for the whole time and felt great. I made my own, so I was sure of the purity and strength. Had to stop when Daniel Pelchat was popped. No withdrawals, just don't sleep as well.

If you can get your hands on some GBL, make your own GHB and your sleep worries will be over.

Chucklehead, even fire is dangerous in the wrong hands, but left up to pussies like you, we'd all be freezing our asses off at night.
 
Talk to your doctor about Trazodone.I take 100mgs at bed time with melatonin & sleep really good now.I had really bad insomnia for years.Also I find that about 500mgs of Magnesium helps calm my nerves also.
 
PnsNv said:
If you can't handle it, stay away from it. That's why your a "FknKnuckleHd" and I have a "Pns 2 Nv". I used G every night for 3 years. First rule of pharmaceuticals: Know your dosages. The graveyard's are full of idiots who didn't follow that rule. Sorry about your friends, but if you overdose, you're a dumbass. End of Story!

I didn't use it to go to raves, drive my car, work out... I used it to get into Deep REM sleep (where Growth Hormone is released, a pleasant side effect) instantly.

It's great stuff. I was able to sleep 4 hours a night instead of 8 for the whole time and felt great. I made my own, so I was sure of the purity and strength. Had to stop when Daniel Pelchat was popped. No withdrawals, just don't sleep as well.

If you can get your hands on some GBL, make your own GHB and your sleep worries will be over.

Chucklehead, even fire is dangerous in the wrong hands, but left up to pussies like you, we'd all be freezing our asses off at night.


actually you dont go into a ''deep REM sleep.'' there's no such thing as ''deep rem sleep'' if you did, it wouldnt do any good for releasing GH. GH is released at the first burst of delta wave sleep AKA slow wave sleep or your ''deepest'' sleep(stage 3, and eventually stage 4). GABA and Glycine are neurotransmitters used in different parts of your ''brain'' and combined with ACh and glutamate... god dang it im not going into this in detail.
 
norfolk said:
Talk to your doctor about Trazodone.I take 100mgs at bed time with melatonin & sleep really good now.I had really bad insomnia for years.Also I find that about 500mgs of Magnesium helps calm my nerves also.



in my work i think i see more people that take loads of Trazodone than even ambien. i agree it works, but the additional stress you feel when it begins to lose its effects at a lower dose can have some serious reprocussions. glad youre sleeping better, just watch how mentally aware you are when you wake up, this could be a clue to bad things on the horizon
 
I found this to help sleep 2it is generic but cheap and works great 2 Diphenhydramine HCl, 25 mg. And 2 melatonin. I have been fighting sleep for ten years and got off Ambien before I needed it forever.
 
phaded said:
where can i find valerian root any local pharm?

Any health food store. Make sure it's a standardized extract, not just ground up herb. And go for a quality brand name. You do get what you pay for with this type of supplement.
 
Lowest said:
I'll say that, for me, klonopin was the best sleep-aid I ever used... damn I wish I still had a script for it!

benzo addiction is no good
 
Prescription sleep aids work just too damn good. It's so easy to get psychologically addicted, it ain't even funny. My doc was smart, and gave me a script for only 15 tabs of zopiclone, and told me "Get whatever shit is bothering you sorted out".

That's one smart doc.

I did get a lot of shit in my life sorted out, and now I sleep fine again.....no rx drugs, no benadryl, no melatonin. I get the occasional toss-n-turn night from late night TKD sessions, but that's it.

Your mind can be your own worst enemy.
 
Watch your caffeine and ephedra intake after 4:00 pm, or so. Have a heavy, hard work out to failure. Eat some carbs and protein, hot shower, you should sleep like a baby.
 
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