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shootfight vs muay thai

There are a lot of accurate posts here by some knowledgable guys, but also a lot of people here are talking out of their asses mixing in some garbage, here's some corrections:


"Imo if your going to do one martial art and just one martial art then do shootfighting or do brazilian jiu jitsiu if you can find a good school. "

Shootfighting isn't a style, it's a trademarked name by bart vale, but a few americans have butchered it up into meaning something it's not.

"Let me tell you one thing, and that one thing is that there is just ONE word you need to know if you want to stop being a pussy and want to kick ass - and that is Jeet Kune Do."

JKD is a PHILOSOPHY, not an art! It can be applied to any art!


"It is good to cross train but ground fighting has clearly proven itself to be superior if you had to choose one or the other. It is very easy to get a striker to the ground and you don't even need to take a blow. Once they are on the ground(where all streets fights go anyway)"

You're making it out to be more simple than it is. Tell that to Igor Vovchanchyn, Bas Rutten, Chuck Lidell to name a few. It might be more appropriate to say it is more consistent in a one on one sanctioned environment, but to say it's clearly better is preposterous. Not a single upper level competitor would agree with what you're saying, both are very important. Also, the "all streetfights end up on the ground" is a marketing hype BS created by the Gracies. While many do end up on the ground, not all do- that is exaggeration. You are also assuming everyone on the street is a trained striker. Get a top level striker and a top level grappler, and they will have equal ass kicking ability against the average streetfigher, you're acting as if everyone out there is trained.

"It is a mix of Russian and Brazilian Samba (spelling?), Akito, Jiu Jitsu, and some other practical stuff. "

Samba is a brazilian dance. Sambo/Sambo are similar distinct competition grappling styles native to russia- they do not exist in brazil. Jiujitsu is the brazilian way to spell jujitsu- ever since the gracies came to america, now everone tries to spell it the brazilian way. Why stop there, why dont you start spelling Brasil with an s then as well.

"but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter. " Training is only half the ball game. Some people will never make good fighters. Joe Moreira, Amaury Bittetti, and Saulo Ribeiro come to mind. (all BJJ blackbelts, 2 mult. time world champions)

Bottom line is that there are some styles that may be more consistent, but it's really the fighter himself that makes it work. Find something you like that has had successful proponents, and train realistically. What do the 4 most successful styles (wrestling, bjj, boxing, jj) in MMA have in common? They all train realistically. Almost any art will be effective if you TRAIN REALISTICALLY. This means have lots of free sparring, don't have rules assuming your partner can or cannot do this or that or will follow a coreographed plan. Hit hard and hit for real, and know how to deal with it when you get hit. Its awhole different ballpark than sitting in the dojo following coreographed balet .
 
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It's nice to be told that you are talking out of your ass every now and again.

The guys original question was which should I do,thai or shootfighting he wanted to be recommeneded one.I said if he was looking for one and only one then imo he should do shootfighting,this statement implies that he doesn't have the time to do a second or a third martial art also.He never said that he was willing to do a broad spectrum of martial arts, I then further suggested that he should do bjj which would be my personal preference if I were to do one and only one martial art.Thai would be my second.


As for talking out of my ass,thanks for the compliment.I started training when i was 6 years old and did tkd for 16 years,did thai for 5,boxed for 6,and now I've being doing bjj since 98.I don't pretend to be an expert at any of these by any means
btw but neither do I believe that i'm talking out of my ass.
Out of all i've done bjj suits me best for my needs,I've bounced since I was 17 and I find it more practical for me and what I do.
Is bjj the ultimate martial art?...definitely not,but it is one of the better ones.

If he wanted to be a complete fighter then
I would suggest doing wrestling/judo/bjj+thai-boxing/boxing/vale tudo,the unfortunate thing about all of this is that he may not have time to train in all these various styles.If someone wants to train just 3 nights a week then doing all
this is going to be very difficult since they probably have a life to lead and are'nt pro-fighters,and since they're on this forum they are most likely body builders aswell which also takes time.

Again his question was,do thai or shootfighting?
The short answer to this I gave as shootfighting.

I didn't give a 500 word reason as to why i believed
he should do shootfighting so I must be talking out of my ass.
 
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I have one more question.. I don't fear broken nosebone, eyebrows, ribs or other bones but I really don't think it would be much fun to get paralyzed or any other permanent injurice like that.. but that doesn't happen too often, does it?
 
Not something to worry about in the dojo. Any responsible instructor will provide an environment that will protect his beginner students from any serious harm. Worst thing to worry about(in my opinion) is closed head injuries(a particular region of your brain gets damaged bouncing around in your skull). But, this is pretty rare. You'd be amazed at how much punishment the human body can take, and fully recover.
 
If you are sparring you are hopefully working on improving one your weaknesses not trying to kick your sparring partners ass. But of course if you land a good blow on him or he lands a good blow on you and you are not being monitored things can get dangerous.

I had an idiot bring his GF in to watch him spar and he tried to show off. Having her in the gym was so stupid. Anyway I remember landing some super solid uppercuts then clinched, told him to slow down, and he got the idea.

I have only boxed and I'm looking into JKD but have read there are no 'real instructors" (students of Bruce Lee). So now I'm looking into BJJ and muay thai.
 
most times when I slipped a punch I was moving closer to my opponet who though he had a clean shot which I anticipated,slipped,counter with hook to head,hook to body, and then an uppercut or cross. My favorite move and looks beautiful.

Lewd
 
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