shootfight vs muay thai

[Silent Method]

Clusterfoxtrot, put me on the record as having said Israeli H2H training is among the badest of the bad!

Realgains, as a trained wrestler (and, in the past, ocasional real world street fighter) let me be the first to admit that ground fighting is paramount to any true fighter. (Almost 100% of real world fights go to the ground in well under 30 seconds.) However, keep in mind that a trained boxer, one who can really hit, can lay most any man out with one strike. If I can end a fight without going to the ground thats my first option. The question is, of course, is that boxer proficient enough to land that strike at the very start of aggression. If, in a fight, he so choses to box, a good boxer familiar with ground fighting tactics may have a better chance winning an altercation than a ground fighter with no familiarity of boxing tactics who choses to grapple with that proficent boxer. This is of course assuming 'dojo" or "ring" conditions. Bottom line, a superior fighter will be well versed in more than ground fighting - but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter.

MuscularWarrier, what movie was that?

 

[MuscularWarrier]

Silent Method bro,

Seems to me like you can talk the talk but cant walk the walk.

Where are you get this statistic about ground fighting anyway?

I reckon you been watching too much WWF dude!

ROFL

Muscular Warrior

(Almost 100% of real world fights go to the ground in well under 30 seconds.)

MuscularWarrier, what movie was that?

 

[nhbgorilla]

u better have some damn good takedown D if you think youre gonna stay on your feet longer than 30 seconds against an elite grappler. No movie, real life my friend. as for advice on how to be the best possible fighter, either find a place that teaches NHB. or do what I do, find 1 place for muy thai/boxing/kickboxing, and one place for grappling, preferably one that involves wrestling and no gi stuff.

 

[creep]

Muscular Warrior,

Where do you train? City and Dojo? I'm willing to bet my 11 year old son could kick your ass.

As for Jeet Kune Do, your not Bruce Lee. And while Bruce Lee was great actor he would not last 5 mins in the ring with todays fighters. What would you do if someone took you to the floor. Call time-out and ask to get up? Grappling, ground fighting is 80% of a REAL fight.

 

[nolin]

Uh, sorry to disagree

Muscular Warrior,

Where do you train? City and Dojo? I'm willing to bet my 11 year son could kick your ass.

As for Jeet Kune Do, your not Bruce Lee. And while Bruce Lee was great actor he would not last 5 mins in the ring with todays fighters. What would you do if someone took you to the floor. Call time-out and ask to get up? Grappling, ground fighting is 80% of a REAL fight.

Sorry bud, Bruce Lee was not just a great actor, he was probably the greatest martial artist in recent history. He changed many things about martial arts, his approach, " The way of the intercepting fist" , is based on not having a set method. If you always fight thinking, " I'll do this, then he'll do that and rehearse it you will be sadly pummelled when someone who does something you don't expect comes along. Here's an example of how religously using a grappling approach could make you lose. In Jeet Kune Do I would wait for you to lunge,as a grappler you will eventually do so, my feet are longer than your arms, the force of your energy moving forward and my foot kicking your knee would shatter your knee cap, now you're on the ground like you wanted but in excruciating pain and immobilized. I would then proceed to bite your nose nearly off and as your eyes swelled shut I would kick you repeatedly in the teticles. This is an approach Bruce himself used. I have used it and it has worked every time, without fail. I think grappling is good to know if you do wind up on the ground,but I would never limit my approach to hoping I wind up on the ground, why not know many techniques and adjusting to the situation?

 

[The Almighty]

Re: Uh, sorry to disagree

Here's an example of how religously using a grappling approach could make you lose. In Jeet Kune Do I would wait for you to lunge,as a grappler you will eventually do so, my feet are longer than your arms, the force of your energy moving forward and my foot kicking your knee would shatter your knee cap, now you're on the ground like you wanted but in excruciating pain and immobilized. I would then proceed to bite your nose nearly off and as your eyes swelled shut I would kick you repeatedly in the teticles. This is an approach Bruce himself used. I have used it and it has worked every time, without fail. I think grappling is good to know if you do wind up on the ground,but I would never limit my approach to hoping I wind up on the ground, why not know many techniques and adjusting to the situation?

Ouch...my balls hurt just reading that.

 

[liquidmuscle]

brazilian jui-jitsu

 

[creep]

Re: Uh, sorry to disagree

If it sounded like I was talking bad about Bruce Lee, sorry . That's not what I met. I have total respect for Bruce Lee and Jeet kune Do. However, There have been numerous Jeet Kune Do "experts" that competed in mixed martial art events like Pride and UFC. All have been defeated early in the fight. Things might have been different if it was actually Bruce Lee in the ring. But we'll never know.

 

[liquidmuscle]

watch the UFC every fight if it lasts over 30 seconds will end up on the ground

 

[me2dammit]

man

First of you can't compare UFC to the street.

On the street your chances in our society(which is boxing) you will fight an untrained "boxer" brawler type.

He closes the distance with punches. A very ineffective way to close the distance against a skilled fighter. A well placed low kick stops them everytime.

Now try that against a UFC type fighter and you might get taken down.

IMO strenght,speed and power are something of value that are always overlooked.

If you hit hard enough you will knock someone the fuck out. If you are quick enough, you get yours off first.

Bruce lee was a good fighter for his size! Gracie showed a smaller man can be a bigger man if the style is right, but once everyone learned that style they had to get weight classes because there was no way he would survive against the big boys.

They make weight classes for fighter safety. Very few fighters are going to have success against much bigger and stronger oppoonents if the skill level is any where near close.

Most smaller men that I spar with say they weight the big boys out. I just lay my wieight on them and weight them out. LOL
Its really amazing how good of a tool the guard is. Just knowing how to use the guard could save your live and probaly have you win against a streetfighter who has never trained in one. I am about 265 now and have had men 175 hold me off for a few minutes with the guard, but I tend to get the quick, but not nearly as quick as some of the big boys(over 200) that come in and don't know the guard. LOL

I tap them in under 20 seconds. An average streetfighter gives their back so fucking easy, once I lock on they are done.