shootfight vs muay thai

[Silent Method]

MuscularWarrier, "talk the talk?" The only personal claim I made was that I have been in a street fight or two in my time. I concede, I do not have your Jean-Claude Van Damme skills nor your Louisville Slugger.

For all, let me repeat: Bottom line, a superior fighter will be well versed in more than ground fighting - but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter.

JKD by the way (as nolin was hinting to) is not so much a style or "method" as it is a philosophy. A damn good one at that. I doubt that a more than a select handfull of people exist who could effectivly "teach" JKD. Its not some well defined series of motorized actions - it's a highly dynamic state of being.

Lastly, guys, this shit ain't cut and dry. No one can say this will work against that "every time." Bullshit - unless your talking about the latest version of Teken for sony playstation.

 

[nolin]

Yessir!

MuscularWarrier, "talk the talk?" The only personal claim I made was that I have been in a street fight or two in my time. I concede, I do not have your Jean-Claude Van Damme skills nor your Louisville Slugger.

For all, let me repeat: Bottom line, a superior fighter will be well versed in more than ground fighting - but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter.

JKD by the way (as nolin was hinting to) is not so much a style or "method" as it is a philosophy. A damn good one at that. I doubt that a more than a select handfull of people exist who could effectivly "teach" JKD. Its not some well defined series of motorized actions - it's a highly dynamic state of being.

Lastly, guys, this shit ain't cut and dry. No one can say this will work against that "every time." Bullshit - unless your talking about the latest version of Teken for sony playstation.

Exactly! In fact Bruce use to say to be like water, if you put water in a cup it becomes the cup, if you put it in a kettle it becomes the kettle etc. I think the state of being you refer to is a highly spiritual state. The philosopy of combat Bruce Lee tried to convey was: Learn all the possible methods of fighting, grappling, judo, Gung Fu whatever, and master those skills, when an opponent comes along you won't think about the method, you will merely react and be completely mutable in your defense and/or offense. I think this is a step above mastering a methodolgy and completely defining yourself by it. For example I don't always think I'm going to kick some one in the knee and bite them, in fact the last fight I had at a bar, the guy took a wild swing at close range, I just ducked, grabbed his arm and let the momentum he had created take him 360, then I pushed his face into a wall, round housed the back of his legs and he went down, didn't get up, that was it. I think it's true most street fights end up on the ground, but I prefer it be the opponent going down alone if at all possible. If I were to be taken down my immediate response would be to clutch closely and keep the guy from punching with any force and if possible bite, spit in the eyes whatever. Any way this is getting long, Karma for ya!

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

And just remember, Jean Claude Van Damme had the crap beaten out of him by Chuck Zito in a strip joint in NY/NJ a couple of years ago. If you don't know who Chuck Zito is, he is the big ass Italian guy on OZ (HBO).

 

[bighead]

brazilian jui-jitsu

Amen brotha.

 

[Thaibox]

SweOldSchool,

Anyone that says "X" art is the best can be immediately discredited. Fighting is the only thing I know or am any good at. I've been studying and teaching for about 20 years. You have to find your own bro. When it comes down to it, it is not about the art, it is about the teacher and the student.

THERE IS NO SUPERIOR ART

I know street fighters with very little formal training that have beat the shit out of respected shodans. Its all about heart. Don't go by an art's reputation. With the right student, Tai Chi can be a brutal art.

Don't listen to couch warriors that sit and watch UFCs all day while they sip beer. The octagon is padded and has rules. The street has cement, weapons, multiple oponents, time factors, and unknown variables. Two totally different worlds. To whomever said the gaurd is the most effective D...put me in a closed gaurd on rough concrete and see how long you last.


Anyway, listen to everyone, but don't take anyone's word as gospel. Find a dojo that will build on your natural abilities. There are lots of good NHB dojos that will teach you nearly anything.

Good luck



muscularwarrior, you're funny dude

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Cross training is the way to go.I started off as an amateur boxer and stand-up stylist for many years,then later on switched to BJJ.The complete fighter is skilled in ALL ranges(Long,mid,close,grappling,ground) of combat,not just one or two.

 

[creep]

THERE IS NO SUPERIOR ART

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[MuscularWarrier]

ROFL

Its funny to see all these so called excerpts on martial arts coming out of the wood-work whove got no real-word experiece of the brutal art of street-fighting.

When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions. What chance has the average Joe got no matter how well trained he is - no chance pal. Thats why anyone who says "I ducked" is BS'ing.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

Jeet Kune Do is the true Martial Art - the rest is BS.

Muscular Warrior

 

[The Almighty]

ROFL

Its funny to see all these so called excerpts on martial arts coming out of the wood-work whove got no real-word experiece of the brutal art of street-fighting.

When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions. What chance has the average Joe got no matter how well trained he is - no chance pal. Thats why anyone who says "I ducked" is BS'ing.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

Jeet Kune Do is the true Martial Art - the rest is BS.

Muscular Warrior

http://www.m-w.com/

 

[Arias]

I have trained in Muay Thai, Shoto Kahn Karate, and Braz. Jujitsu. All of these styles have their pluses and minuses. The point is to learn as much as possible and use what you have learned to your advantage. There is no superior type of fighting technique, it all depends on the individual and how he utilizes his skills. There is no tougher opponent than one with a cause. Try to fight someone as if your life was on the line. You will tap into a power source you never knew you had, remember, its not fear, it has to be a controlled power. BTW, JKD is a combination of many different fighting styles. Peace Out!

Arias