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How did you get this script for HGH? What does it cost and where do I get it?
How did you get this script for HGH? What does it cost and where do I get it?
Serostim is poor quality hGH. If your going to get a scrip, get anything else but serostim. Like Genatrop, Humatrop, ect...I perfer Nutropin depot far less injections to take, like 1 vs. 30
NorCalBdyBldr
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I know someone that has a scrip for Serostim because he has hiv. It works well at getting rid of fat but I haven't noticed it did anything else for him. I understand his insurance carrier paid something between six thousand and eight thousand dollars (US) per month for four kits/month consisting of seven vials of water and seven vials of solid serostim each kit (6 mg per day doseage). His side effects at such a high dose were severe!
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The Truth about Serostim
http://www.medibolics.com/GHMuscle2.htm
"Several studies of HIV(-) subjects indicate that growth hormone does not increase the portion of the lean body mass (LBM) that is known as muscle, even though growth hormone does increase "lean body mass". Note that LBM describes several compartments of tissue that include muscle, connective tissue, bone, organs, and water, too. These studies found that the increase in LBM with growth hormone in HIV(-) subjects consists of tissue other than muscle. Actually the increase in LBM appears to be mostly water, with perhaps a little connective tissue, and some organ tissue, too. (It should be underlined that organ tissue, like muscle tissue, wastes in HIV, and rebuilding of organ tissue by growth hormone could be an important effect that may improve overall health and survival.)"
Serono studied their serostim to combat the side effects Lipodystrophy in HIV population. A re-distribution of fat around the trunk area and upper back. Since then, HIV cocktails have gotten much better in keeping patients healther thus eliminating the waisting syndrome that is caused by AIDS. North Shore University Hospital, Manhassett NY. conducted a study in HIV + people, who were NOT advanced in there disease, a 16 week study of Serostim @ 18iu's p/d. They were looking to see if there were any lean muscle mass gained at 16 weeks. They did, a whole 3 lbs were gained on 18iu's p/d. No androgens at all were used. Just serostim. That is why is so readaly avalable on the street and nothing else is. Serono will never publish there findings because they know the cost of $1700 per kit, per week all for 3 lbs of lean mass will get them pulled of every medicade and ADAP formulary accross the country for AIDS patients.
http://www.medibolics.com/GHMuscle2.htm
"Several studies of HIV(-) subjects indicate that growth hormone does not increase the portion of the lean body mass (LBM) that is known as muscle, even though growth hormone does increase "lean body mass". Note that LBM describes several compartments of tissue that include muscle, connective tissue, bone, organs, and water, too. These studies found that the increase in LBM with growth hormone in HIV(-) subjects consists of tissue other than muscle. Actually the increase in LBM appears to be mostly water, with perhaps a little connective tissue, and some organ tissue, too. (It should be underlined that organ tissue, like muscle tissue, wastes in HIV, and rebuilding of organ tissue by growth hormone could be an important effect that may improve overall health and survival.)"
Serono studied their serostim to combat the side effects Lipodystrophy in HIV population. A re-distribution of fat around the trunk area and upper back. Since then, HIV cocktails have gotten much better in keeping patients healther thus eliminating the waisting syndrome that is caused by AIDS. North Shore University Hospital, Manhassett NY. conducted a study in HIV + people, who were NOT advanced in there disease, a 16 week study of Serostim @ 18iu's p/d. They were looking to see if there were any lean muscle mass gained at 16 weeks. They did, a whole 3 lbs were gained on 18iu's p/d. No androgens at all were used. Just serostim. That is why is so readaly avalable on the street and nothing else is. Serono will never publish there findings because they know the cost of $1700 per kit, per week all for 3 lbs of lean mass will get them pulled of every medicade and ADAP formulary accross the country for AIDS patients.
NorCalBdyBldr
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Serostim, HIV drugs, anabolism and lipodystrophy
Lipodystrophy may be caused by HIV itself but is also known to be caused by the drugs that treat HIV. These drugs include several of the protease inhibitors with Crixivan (Indinavir Sulfate) being the most widely known ("Crix Belly") and also drugs in the Nucleaside Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitor (NRTI) Class, most notably D4T (Zerit) but others in this class like 3TC (Epivir) among others can also contribute to the problem. In general, any of the HIV drugs that contribute to lipid problems (i.e. elevated total cholesterol, LDL, VLDL or depressed HDL or elevated triglycerides) as a side effect are suspect in causing or contributing to lipodystrophy. Serostim is primarily prescribed for the treatment of lipodystrophy. Since many HIV drugs cause lipid problems and the usual recourse to combat this is to prescribe Lipitor to control Cholesterol levels as the LDL, VLDL, and Total Cholesterol tend to increase and the HDL tends to decrease. This usually works very well for this purpose. However, Triglycerides also tend to climb, and in some cases, quite dramatically. There are no prescription drugs that I am aware of that will adequately treat this HIV drug induced elevation of Triglycerides. Interestingly, it has been demonstrated in several studies that Salmon or Cold Water Fish oil will actually lower Triglycerides rather significantly, returning them to normal levels if taken daily over time and some of the more informed HIV doctors will tell their patients this. I have seen enough lab results that I am very convinced that cold water fish oil absolutely works even in relatively low doses like two capsules per day, more if needed. What is also interesting is that in particular, D4T seems to cause a form of "programmed cell death" for fat cells. This is what tends to remove the fat from underneath the skin for people that use it. Unfortunately, it also seems to cause elevated lipids and facilitates in the redistribution of the lipids into "brown fat" deposits in the viscereal abdominal area and in some cases has been implicated in causing the notorious "buffalo hump" in the back of the neck. I have personally observed a patient with this manifestation respond quite well to Serostim treatment and it quite literally removed the entire buffalo hump within about three weeks of usage so it was kind of a wonder drug in that regard. The dosages prescribed for HIV patients seem to be outlandishly high, especially considering the enormous cost of the Serostim. I have it on good word, that it works just as well on a considerably reduced dose over that prescribed--probably less than one third of the amount will work fine and will usually eliminate the rather serious side effects like peripheral edema, numbness and in some cases, carpel tunnel syndrome among others as the side effects are also dose dependent. Outside of lipodystrophy issues, it seems to help burn fat particularly when combined with anabolic drugs. It has never been shown to cause hyperplasia (increasing the NUMBER of muscle cells by causing them to divide as is a theory surrounding human growth hormones in general and the idea behind IGF-1). To my knowledge, this was just a "rumour" that was circulated unofficially by Serono Labs along with no longer very credible claims that it increased lean body mass. Considering the cost, there certainly would be MANY other things that far surpass Serostim in this regard. It may have a very slight anabolic effect on lean mass when administered in very high doses but like the previous post points out, that effect is probably mostly water and "other" lean mass areas like organ tissue, etc. and largely exclusive of skeletal muscle tissue. I do know of one case where the patient took it for lipodystrophy and got another "benefit" from it that was not expected. He had a problem where his lower jaw was not long enough and this fact caused him to have a serious underbight. Also one side of the jaw was longer than the other. As a semi permanent fix, short of breaking both sides of the jaw and wiring his mouth shut and putting him on liquid diet, they had cemented in a brace to force the lower teeth forward to improve the bight. While on Serostim, his lower jaw started to grow and the one side caught up with the other and popped the cemented brace completely out. He had formally had problems with his lower jaw popping out of socket frequently. After the Serostim, this has never occurred since. Just an interesting thing that I had never seen before although I am aware that some growth hormones can cause the lower jaw to grow. It was interesting actually seeing it happen in someone where it actually fixed a medical problem that formerly caused him a great deal of discomfort and now no longer does.
Lipodystrophy may be caused by HIV itself but is also known to be caused by the drugs that treat HIV. These drugs include several of the protease inhibitors with Crixivan (Indinavir Sulfate) being the most widely known ("Crix Belly") and also drugs in the Nucleaside Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitor (NRTI) Class, most notably D4T (Zerit) but others in this class like 3TC (Epivir) among others can also contribute to the problem. In general, any of the HIV drugs that contribute to lipid problems (i.e. elevated total cholesterol, LDL, VLDL or depressed HDL or elevated triglycerides) as a side effect are suspect in causing or contributing to lipodystrophy. Serostim is primarily prescribed for the treatment of lipodystrophy. Since many HIV drugs cause lipid problems and the usual recourse to combat this is to prescribe Lipitor to control Cholesterol levels as the LDL, VLDL, and Total Cholesterol tend to increase and the HDL tends to decrease. This usually works very well for this purpose. However, Triglycerides also tend to climb, and in some cases, quite dramatically. There are no prescription drugs that I am aware of that will adequately treat this HIV drug induced elevation of Triglycerides. Interestingly, it has been demonstrated in several studies that Salmon or Cold Water Fish oil will actually lower Triglycerides rather significantly, returning them to normal levels if taken daily over time and some of the more informed HIV doctors will tell their patients this. I have seen enough lab results that I am very convinced that cold water fish oil absolutely works even in relatively low doses like two capsules per day, more if needed. What is also interesting is that in particular, D4T seems to cause a form of "programmed cell death" for fat cells. This is what tends to remove the fat from underneath the skin for people that use it. Unfortunately, it also seems to cause elevated lipids and facilitates in the redistribution of the lipids into "brown fat" deposits in the viscereal abdominal area and in some cases has been implicated in causing the notorious "buffalo hump" in the back of the neck. I have personally observed a patient with this manifestation respond quite well to Serostim treatment and it quite literally removed the entire buffalo hump within about three weeks of usage so it was kind of a wonder drug in that regard. The dosages prescribed for HIV patients seem to be outlandishly high, especially considering the enormous cost of the Serostim. I have it on good word, that it works just as well on a considerably reduced dose over that prescribed--probably less than one third of the amount will work fine and will usually eliminate the rather serious side effects like peripheral edema, numbness and in some cases, carpel tunnel syndrome among others as the side effects are also dose dependent. Outside of lipodystrophy issues, it seems to help burn fat particularly when combined with anabolic drugs. It has never been shown to cause hyperplasia (increasing the NUMBER of muscle cells by causing them to divide as is a theory surrounding human growth hormones in general and the idea behind IGF-1). To my knowledge, this was just a "rumour" that was circulated unofficially by Serono Labs along with no longer very credible claims that it increased lean body mass. Considering the cost, there certainly would be MANY other things that far surpass Serostim in this regard. It may have a very slight anabolic effect on lean mass when administered in very high doses but like the previous post points out, that effect is probably mostly water and "other" lean mass areas like organ tissue, etc. and largely exclusive of skeletal muscle tissue. I do know of one case where the patient took it for lipodystrophy and got another "benefit" from it that was not expected. He had a problem where his lower jaw was not long enough and this fact caused him to have a serious underbight. Also one side of the jaw was longer than the other. As a semi permanent fix, short of breaking both sides of the jaw and wiring his mouth shut and putting him on liquid diet, they had cemented in a brace to force the lower teeth forward to improve the bight. While on Serostim, his lower jaw started to grow and the one side caught up with the other and popped the cemented brace completely out. He had formally had problems with his lower jaw popping out of socket frequently. After the Serostim, this has never occurred since. Just an interesting thing that I had never seen before although I am aware that some growth hormones can cause the lower jaw to grow. It was interesting actually seeing it happen in someone where it actually fixed a medical problem that formerly caused him a great deal of discomfort and now no longer does.
If your not HIV +, your insurance will not cover Serostim. The only indication serostim has is in HIV. There are plenty of other Hgh brands on the market that are 100x's better than serostim that your insurance will cover if you can prove medical necessity.
enlightened
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I took 6mg of serostim a day for about two months religiously. Since i am HIV+, private insurance covered the costs. However, although serostim gave me a boost of energy, it didnt do anything for my LBM. Apparently my insurance company has a policy to discontinue paying for serostim if results are not shown in two weeks.
My final conclusion is that serostim is a waste of time, unless your insurance is covering the tab and youre taking it for a "pick-me-up." TO the guy/girl that purchased a two-week suppply for 1k, I doubt that supply will do anything drastic worth 1k... 2 weeks simply isnt enough
My final conclusion is that serostim is a waste of time, unless your insurance is covering the tab and youre taking it for a "pick-me-up." TO the guy/girl that purchased a two-week suppply for 1k, I doubt that supply will do anything drastic worth 1k... 2 weeks simply isnt enough
gotmilk
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enlightened said:
How can someone judge effectiveness in two weeks? Hell....it took a month before I first noticed gains and I had to add some insulin and enanthate to finally get some muscle growth. I've been trying to get my hands on some kits for awhile....I can't imagine an insurance company saying phattttttttt after two weeks.
enlightened
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yea I have a PPO with United Healthcare. At first my doctors office was paying for the supplies and then getting paid by United. After a month or so my doctor decided to bill united directly. They in turn sent some questionaire about how much weight I had gained within a two-week period. Since I didnt gain any real weight, they stopped the supply. My doctor attempted to appeal and was denied a second time.
US healthcare needs to reform in so many areas. its a shame everyones caught up with the war starting next week. very little is being done in the homeland.
US healthcare needs to reform in so many areas. its a shame everyones caught up with the war starting next week. very little is being done in the homeland.
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