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Roe v. Wade for Men

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men -- to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have -- it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Michigan.

Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear [from the court] is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case.

"The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn't want, but it's less fair to say society has to pay the support," she said.

Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn't necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn't afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.

'This is so politically incorrect'
Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Feit counters that the suit's reference to abortion rights is apt.

"Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences," he said. "No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say."

"The problem is this is so politically incorrect," Feit added. "The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility."

Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

"If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible," Feit said. "If she can't take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative."

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."
 
I agree with this arguement 100%.

I believe that no man has the right to have a woman bear a child that she does not want.

I also believe that if the woman wants a child that the man does not, then she should bear ALL responsibility for that choice.

Her body - Her choice.

If she can intelligently decide to keep a baby then she can intelligently decide to support that baby.
 
I agree. (Whaa? :D)

If she chooses to have the child and he doesn't, then she makes the ultimate decision and pay for all consequences.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
I agree with this arguement 100%.

I believe that no man has the right to have a woman bear a child that she does not want.

I also believe that if the woman wants a child that the man does not, then she should bear ALL responsibility for that choice.

Her body - Her choice.

If she can intelligently decide to keep a baby then she can intelligently decide to support that baby.
I'm in absolute agreement with what Bikinimom said so eloquently here, and IMO anybody who is in favor of women having the right to choose would be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

As far as I'm concerned, women have a lot of options (and may that situation never change), and as much as I hate to admit it, there are some conniving bitches that aren't above abusing the system ... maybe some kids would get to avoid being used as a lever because mommy thought twice about how easy it really was going to be to pass go and collect on that baby daddy money.

I'm sorry. Just because a woman gives birth doesn't make her some automatic Earth Mother, just like the noncustodial father is not automatically an unconcerned, in arrears asshole.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
I agree with this arguement 100%.

I believe that no man has the right to have a woman bear a child that she does not want.

I also believe that if the woman wants a child that the man does not, then she should bear ALL responsibility for that choice.

Her body - Her choice.

If she can intelligently decide to keep a baby then she can intelligently decide to support that baby.

Well said.

I have a question, does the father's name have to be on the birth certificate? Can he say no or have it removed?
 
the issue of what is best for society is the key for sure in this. I would have a strong opinion on this if I ever got laid.
 
Where's da tits?
 
I'd even settle for if the guy didn't want the baby, he'd get a 50% break on child support. Even that is a step in the right direction.

Also, the courts should look into the contraception methods used and the length of the relationship.
 
nycgirl said:
Well said.

I have a question, does the father's name have to be on the birth certificate? Can he say no or have it removed?
You can probably have it removed if you get a DNA test that proves you aren't the father.

It's possible for a birth certificate to read Unknown in either or both parental name spaces ...

A birth certificate is first and formost, identification that the individual is a legal citizen of the United States, having been born within its borders.
 
velvett said:
Discuss....

NEW YORK (AP) -- Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men -- to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.


I'm not sure how "financial responsibity" can equate to "reproductive rights" in this young man's case nor do I understand how choosing whether or not a fertilized egg will be given the opportunity to be born into the world to equate to choosing whether or not one chooses to be financial responsible for this unborn life.

To me Roe vs Wade for men would be for the conditions in which a man is not informed of conception and that potential offspring was terminated without his input. Or rather his input was given to terminate and the mother chose to keep the child without his knowledge and later came to him for child support.

That said, if you are adult enough to have sex you best be adult enough to accept that people will lie, that you need to be more responsible than the person you're having sex with and suck it up when you fuck up or in some cases accept the gift you have been given in this life.

All I see from this is 25 year old pissed that he has a kid to pay for and bunch people taking this opportunity to bridge their own agenda through this young man.
 
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