Results of echocardiogram........

[Bulldog_10]

Fonz, those studies say nothing about increasing oxygen to the heart. The only way to increase oxygen to the heart is to increase blood flow (or red blood cell count)...since the a-vO2 difference across the heart doesn't change much...even with exercise.

All those studies say is that those supplements may be good for your heart, and mitochondrial function (which is a THEORY on why we age as we do...the whole decreased mitochondrial efficiency thing). Sure it works very well on rats...that doesn't mean you can apply it to humans. If we could apply everything that worked on rats to humans...We would have found the fountain of youth some time ago.

I think your post is informative, but by no means should your advice be followed blindly. You rip a doctor for giving a band-aid cure, yet you tell him to start taking all these drugs and remain on a low dose of gear.

I hate to just add to the negative things said on this post, because that's really not my intention...and I hope you don't feel like we're ganging up on you...cuz that's definitely not what II'm trying to do.

But I really don't think you're qualified to give this guy medical advice...especially since you've never met him, seen his tests, and you didn't go to med school. (what type of schooling DO you have...out of curiosity?)

The best advice anyone can give him is to find out what his doctor thinks, and then if you don't trust it...get a second opinion. I'm sure eventually you'll be referred to a cardiologists, and then you'll be set.

 

[galaxy]

Now were getting somewhere!

 

[Fonz]

oh and just so you know, i went easy on your post.

if i wanted to, i could pick a few more gaping holes in that travesty that some people here have accepted as good advice. If you decide to get smart, fonz (as i know you will...you just cant control yourself) i will respond by going back into that post and unveiling how inept you really are. (although i suppose the word "unveil" isnt strictly the correct word to use when referring to your ineptitude...its kind of like unveiling a whores vagina. everyones already seen the damn thing)

moral of the story: amoeba brains should not give medical advice.

I deleted your travesty of a post, and no offense but pathetic little kids like yourself have no place at EF. You're an alter, that much is obvious. Once I track you down you're banned as far as I'm concerned. You add nothing positive TO ANY post, just insults. Funny how you never really scientifically explain anyhting, just tell people they are wrong....lol The DNP post was the bulwark of this.

You're a lowly little pharmacist with zero knowledge of real world AAS experience, and since they do not discusss Steroid pharmacology in healthy males in pharmacy school, ZERO textbook knowledge.

So......go back to wahtever board you cam from because I'm far as I'm concerned any time you step out of line with me, I'm deleting your post. I have earned the right to be where I am, you on the other hand have not.

Now, go very far away......you're not wanted here.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Goldendelicious, excellent post. I agree with your sentiment, that it is very dangerous for fools to offer medical advice. Have you had any experience with PVC's? What usually triggers them? What successful approaches to lessoning their frequency have you come accross? Unlike Fonz, please give me your personal experiences not a cut and paste job, thanks. Nothing personal Fonz, but I didn't appreciate the attack on a fellow board member who was just asking for advice with his heart problems.

Are by any chance slow at reading between the lines?

HE NEEDED A WAKE-UP CALL.

And you're another alter, so same applies to you that applies to goldendelicious. Disrespect me again and you're either deleted/gone.

I love people like you and Goldendelicious, you just want to act haughty and mighty when in fact you really don't give a rats ass about Galaxy. Well, I've known him FAR LONGER than you have and have done lon AAS cycles, which makes me FAR, FAR more qualified to give him advice then either of both of you. And guess what? I actually DO CARE what happens to him, unlike you.

EF is like a community, if you're going to act like this, get out. I will have you banned. And I truly mean that. Think about that for a second because I have never asked for ANYBODY's banning, but I'm going to ask for yours.

Fonz

 

[75th]

Fonz, it wasnt just those two members who were interested in seeing a counter-argument presented. Jesus Christ, whats the point of this board if every post that differs from "the norm" is going to be deleted?

 

[Fonz]

Fonz, those studies say nothing about increasing oxygen to the heart. The only way to increase oxygen to the heart is to increase blood flow (or red blood cell count)...since the a-vO2 difference across the heart doesn't change much...even with exercise.

All those studies say is that those supplements may be good for your heart, and mitochondrial function (which is a THEORY on why we age as we do...the whole decreased mitochondrial efficiency thing). Sure it works very well on rats...that doesn't mean you can apply it to humans. If we could apply everything that worked on rats to humans...We would have found the fountain of youth some time ago.

I think your post is informative, but by no means should your advice be followed blindly. You rip a doctor for giving a band-aid cure, yet you tell him to start taking all these drugs and remain on a low dose of gear.

I hate to just add to the negative things said on this post, because that's really not my intention...and I hope you don't feel like we're ganging up on you...cuz that's definitely not what II'm trying to do.

But I really don't think you're qualified to give this guy medical advice...especially since you've never met him, seen his tests, and you didn't go to med school. (what type of schooling DO you have...out of curiosity?)

The best advice anyone can give him is to find out what his doctor thinks, and then if you don't trust it...get a second opinion. I'm sure eventually you'll be referred to a cardiologists, and then you'll be set.

I'm giving him advice on supplements that help protect the internal organs from damage from heavy AAS use.

Thats it.

He wants to keep going...be my guest.

The funny part is that nobody is looking to the future....like 40 years down the road. Its better to err on thr side of caution now, than simply blindly throw everything to the wind and start up injecting high AAS doses again.
And yes, he should see a cardiologist...then what? He will most likely need supplemmental help...and that's where my post comes in. I researched the effects of long AAS cycles on internal organs and came up with that. And I don't have any problems.

The lack of foresight on the boards lately is seriously tremendous these days.

Fonz

 

[75th]

Now were getting somewhere!

By the way, it seems that the starter of this thread, the one with the dilemma, the one who everyone is attempting to help, ALSO agreed with Golden Delicious' post.

 

[Fonz]

Fonz, it wasnt just those two members who were interested in seeing a counter-argument presented. Jesus Christ, whats the point of this board if every post that differs from "the norm" is going to be deleted?

I left the counter-argument posts on, until Goldendelicious decided he'd be a little child again. Now that he's gone, everybody can debate to their heart's content(No pun intended).

 

[Bulldog_10]

Fonz...please get over yourself.

 

[posthuman]

You add nothing positive TO ANY post, just insults. Funny how you never really scientifically explain anyhting, just tell people they are wrong....lol


...Now, go very far away......you're not wanted here.

Fonz

IMHO,GD's posts are very good.Fonz why are you trying to take over the board?Do a poll to see if people here like GD - i bet most want him to stay.