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[gwl9dta4]

Further to my point:

It seems plenty of Americans voluntarily give up their so called freedom and opportunity to make lives for themselves in inferior countries. They don't seem to be a part of the "everyone wants to live here (the USA)" crowd that you refer to.

You can't go anywhere without tripping over Americans who have emigrated here. The same is true when I travel over to Australia.
One of my closest friends is from California. He lives here now and says he can't stand the prevalent mentality which you have just demonstrated. He said he was horrified by the attitudes that he had assimilated and was saved from this by travelling to other countries and being exposed to different ideas. Unlike you he realised that others had something to offer and that the USA didn't hold a monopoly on everything good.

Another thing that strikes me is the number of Americans who seem to know how much better the USA is while at the same time knowing little or nothing of the outside world about which they are commenting. Many of them haven't even left North America. Only such an insular and ill-informed populace could maintain such patently absurd attitudes about so many things.

George W. is perfect manifestation of this parochialism.

Well i am glad you wrote this, and i agree with you on all points, (but you are still a fag ) .

I have been in the US and have always been mortified by the attitude the average American has toward the rest of the world. Everything in the US is the Best and anywhere else Sucks. Could not be furthest from the truth. The US is a Police state where your individual freedoms are nothig but an illusion, just wait till you become a person of low income to find out.

I have lived in France, Poland, Sweden, US and visited Germany on many occasions. Believe me that once you get sincerely exposed to different cultures you will see the US as being FAR from the top of the list of countries you would want to live in. And do not even get me started on the media and it's propaganda machine. Everytime i hear the president and the media use the word "evil" when referring to the enemies of the US i have a small burst of laughter. How could the American populace be so low on IQ and education that they actually buy the "evil" argument for this war?

"THEY" are "EVIL"- man that is an argument that a 5 year old could make up. And the fact that the US public accepts it and does not question it lends to them being the laughing stock of the world.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

God bless the USA
God bless nuclear weapons
God bless stealth technology
God bless the .50 BMG
God bless the supercomputer

If the Clinton Administration hadn't been so busy tearing the innards out of our intelligence system for 8 years, we might have actually been able to parse out the traffic sitting in our laps that would have tipped us off to the attack. But, noooooooo, President Clinton and her husband had to spend time yanking and allocating monies to go to worthless programs and groups who expect money to be given tothem on a silver platter. The only group this country owes a debt to are the American Indians.

I will get up on a soapbox and scream that the US has gone soft. We do not have the appetite it takes to defeat terrorism in the manner which needs to fought. We lose 2 guys in an operation and they get front page pictures and visit the White House. How many people remember the countless names scrolling by on TV at the end of the Vietnam war?

Like any marriage, we are going to bicker with our "spouse" from time to time. THe US has only 4 intelligence allies: Canada, England, Australia, and New Zealand. Outside of that, intelligence is shared on a need to know basis.

Just a thought....

CF

 

[gymnpoppa]

I have been in the US and have always been mortified by the attitude the average American has toward the rest of the world. Everything in the US is the Best and anywhere else Sucks. Could not be furthest from the truth. The US is a Police state where your individual freedoms are nothig but an illusion,

I have lived in France, Poland, Sweden, US and visited Germany on many occasions. Believe me that once you get sincerely exposed to different cultures you will see the US as being FAR from the top of the list of countries you would want to live in. And do not even get me started on the media and it's propaganda machine. Everytime i hear the president and the media use the word "evil" when referring to the enemies of the US i have a small burst of laughter. How could the American populace be so low on IQ and education that they actually buy the "evil" argument for this war?

"THEY" are "EVIL"- man that is an argument that a 5 year old could make up. And the fact that the US public accepts it and does not question it lends to them being the laughing stock of the world.

Agreed, uh clusterdude, you obviously have no clue about our intelligence agencies. They have been downsized for more than 20 years....since the Reagan years ended........do some research.
Agents were either reassigned, or retired. NONE were trained to replace them. If you listened to the current Cia director, he alluded to this fact. It takes years to develop dbl agents.....to infiltrate other countries, organizations.

Given the current state of security, and the scandal-trashed economy, lack of investor confidence, consumer confidence, I'm trying to figure out why bush has such a high rating. I don't see the stated campaign promise of fiscal responsibility (Not a single bill vetoed by him), A proposed massive reorganization of the government, which doesn't address the problems. We had information, we didn't process it, and the two inept agencies aren't included in the shakeup.

And it is about the oil. The area around Afghanistan is prime territory......

We have been told that another attack is certain, so what's next........take more civil liberties away?

 

[Hangfire]

Oh yes! Everyone wants to be an American. Puhlease!!!!

I never said everyone wants to BE an American. They just want to come to our great country and enjoy the freedom to decide their own futures; to think and say whatever they want--even if it is in opposition to the government that gives them the opportunity to do so; to educate their children as they choose; to obtain state-of-the-art healthcare; to have the chance to work toward personal wealth and security; and even to have the freedom to try to change this country into their own vision of what it should be.

What's that you say? Europeans have all the same freedoms and opportunites? Of course they do. They were purchased with the blood of Americans. Not once, but twice and who knows how many more times in the future.

 

[Gubernatorial Goosefish]

I lived in the former USSR briefly. A major difference between the Russian and American publics was that the Russians knew they were being manipulated and were wary of what they heard. They watched the nightly news with a sceptical eye in the way an American might look at advertising. In the US, brainwashed people like yourself just soak it all up hook, line, and sinker, and that is why you are so easy to manipulate.

Where in the former USSR did you live? Somewhere in Russia, or some other former republic?

In any case, the reason why the Russians (I'm assuming you lived either in Moscow or St. Petersburg) are so wary of what they see on TV is because they still remember the Soviet times and the crude propaganda that they were exposed to on a daily basis. They're aware of their past, and that's why they're sceptics and cynics for the most part.

US propaganda, on the other hand, is a lot more sophisticated and not as crude. US propaganda is slick, well-packaged, and marketed on a huge scale - that's why it's so successful.

The reason why the USSR went under is because there was an actual discrepancy between their reality and the crude propaganda that they were turning out. In contrast, the US elites have money, a lot of it, and they know how to use to manufacture high-quality propaganda products.

Oh, and most northwestern European nations, as well as Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are just as hierarchical and socially stratified as the US. Only their elites have deflected popular anger by incorporating more socialist methods of governance into their power structures.

 

[Citruscide]

I'm just happy to see SC is back in out huge, happy family... it makes me feel all cozy inside... ahhhh....

C

 

[Mdguy]

Another thing that strikes me is the number of Americans who seem to know how much better the USA is while at the same time knowing little or nothing of the outside world about which they are commenting. Many of them haven't even left North America. Only such an insular and ill-informed populace could maintain such patently absurd attitudes about so many things.

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As an American, I couldn't agree more with this statement....

Excellent thread on all accounts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Citruscide]

Is this thread about anti-american thoughts? Wow... who would have ever thought people would slam the US? I mean, this is the best place to buy peanut butter in the whole world!!! A whole dollar cheaper than anywhere else, that's for sure!

C

 

[Gubernatorial Goosefish]

The UN regularly publishes its Human Development Index. This gauges a country based on income, social statistics, human rights, etc. I never see the USA anywhere near the top.

Really? Hmmm... Here's an HDI report from 2001: http://www.undp.org/hdr2001/hdi.pdf

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Gymnppoppa:

I actually have quite the idea of what's going on in the intel community. We had great humint and sigint capabilities, during the Reagan years. Unfirtunately, they were all in Russia Section. We ignored most other threats.

The Clinton administration completely dismanteled the inner workings and the budgets of these agencies, leaving us with our pants down when the shit hit the fan.

CF