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[Lao Tzu]

Oh but of course you don't have propaganda in the USA, do you? It is only the Chinese, or Russians, or whoever disagrees with you that are the victims of propaganda.

Hows it goin. I like your opinions, you seem educated.

in regards to the propaganda thing, i hear that too, esp. from people who live in foreign countries. However i can't find any so called unbiased sources of info on the internet. Can you name some i can look at. Usually the info i find is left wing masquerading as unbiased.

I tried www.worldnews.com, but i don't know if those sources are any more trustworthy. Like when the Taliban first became our enemy, everyone was bitching about how evil they were for how they treated women, but all the news organizations 'forgot' to mention that our allies like egypt are just as bad. Half info propaganda to make us look good, i'd like a counterbalance to that.

I've tried the guardian unlimited (a UK paper) but they seemed anti-USA, not unbiased. I like the BBC and the UN wire, but they don't have alot of info on america.

That Vidal article isn't too good. He is too biased to be a valid source of info. It is no different than huntmaster believing rush limbaugh when he says 'the terrorists did what they did because of jealousy'. It is just half truths to make one side look good/bad.

 

[HansNZ]

Well i don't think you're going to find anything ubiased, esp. when it comes to politics. There is no non-ideological ideology. The way to gauge something for yourself is to examine an issue from different perspectives and draw your own conclusion.

If you want an excellent expose on the US media read Noam Chomsky's book: Manufacturing Consent. He is a left-winger.

 

[HansNZ]

the reason most dont agree with you is because most people give a shit about their country, not a country half way around the world who sponsors terrorism and that has problems which are no ones fault but their own. the middle east hates america, flat out. you can't argue that they dont because they do. you cant sit back and tell me that america is evil and the middle east is good. first off they are cold blooded killers who are full of hate for us,

Isn't it strange that it is the "innocent" US who these people are targeting, not Sweden or Brasil or New Zealand.

If you think the problems in the Middle East are of these people's own making and that the British (before WW2) and the Americans (since then) have had no hand in their circumstances, then you are sadly misinformed about Middle Eastern history.

Just look at Iran. They had a flourishing democracy until the 1950s when a CIA sponsored coup toppled a democratically elected government. It had nationalised the oil industry so that British and American oil companies wouldn't export the profits for themselves.

Once toppled, the US propped up a puppet dictator known as the Shah for decades. He was hardly a paragon of democracy or a friend of human rights. He became hated by the Iranian people. It was the US which kept him in power.

His rule played into the hands of reactionary Islamic fundamentalists under Ayatollah Kholmeni who toppled him. These groups have been virulently anti-American since then because of the problems the US has caused throughout the Middle East in a totally selfish pursuit of its own self-interest.

and second you should support the country you are living in during war. otherwise you shouldn't not be living in a country if you dont support it while it attempts to fight terrorism.

This is known as nationalism which Americans hide behind the term "patriotism". It is a blind allegience to one's own country without regard for whether your country is in the right or the wrong.

It is a form of control designed to get people to conform and make them go along with (and often get killed in war for) the interests which their elites pursue.

I often don't support my country's policies. Why should I not live there? It is after all MY country. Just because the blind majority or the elites have different ideas doesn't make it their country, not mine. I'm not going to leave if I disagree with predominating opinions. If I leave it imples that my country doesn't belong to me but to someone else.

 

[HansNZ]

(in regard to Lumbuss' post)
tru dat especially this war


the terrorists are jealouse

Jealousy fuels there terrorist impulses

Jealous of our freedoms and our progress

You don't live in a free country. Your government now has the most far reaching powers over you through organisations which aren't really accountable to the public or a democratic process. You have lost the most basic of freedoms in the US since 9/11 which my government where I live can't deny me.

This lack of freedom isn't completely new either. No other Western government has the right to execute its citizens. Capital Punishment is considered a human rights abuse somewhat like torture in these countries.

For a long time the US has been at the bottom of the list of Western countries when it comes to respect for human rights. The US sits around about the same rank as Israel.

Your freedoms exist largely in rhetoric more than in fact.

 

[huntmaster]

sure bud

 

[Robert Jan]

I like to simply watch Al Jazeera and CNN in turns and try and draw conclusions.

 

[The Dude]

All I've got to say to this liberal hatemongerer is what did the Dems do when they were in charge of the military? They didn't retaliate for terrorist attacks. They did, however, engage in nation building attempts that were full of bloodletting. If you don't know how to use military force, then stay out of the office! Damn, every one of 'em since FDR has screwed it up!

 

[strongchick]

You don't live in a free country. Your government now has the most far reaching powers over you through organisations which aren't really accountable to the public or a democratic process. You have lost the most basic of freedoms in the US since 9/11 which my government where I live can't deny me.

This lack of freedom isn't completely new either. No other Western government has the right to execute its citizens. Capital Punishment is considered a human rights abuse somewhat like torture in these countries.

For a long time the US has been at the bottom of the list of Western countries when it comes to respect for human rights. The US sits around about the same rank as Israel.

Your freedoms exist largely in rhetoric more than in fact.

You are correct about this. America is the laughingstock of the entire world because we have held these pompous attitudes that we are somehow better than the rest.

Tom Cruise, for example, may/may not have stated his is leaving this country for the same reasons, but I'll bet many people with enough money are sincerely thinking about walking away.

Our government is so entertwined with corporate bribery; and we won't be able to repair it until there is critical mass on the decision that enough is enough.

But so much of our populace is ignorant and tunnel-visioned and brainwashed (think The Matrix) that it will never happen.

 

[PursuitOfShredded]

I have to say...

I agree with SC and Hanz. I check out worldnetdaily.com frequently (which happens to be right-leaning) and they had a poll of whether the US has more, less, or the same freedoms as in 1776......the overwhelming majority of responses were that we have LESS. We are WAY away from where we started.

 

[Hangfire]

America is the laughingstock of the entire world.........so much so that everybody wants to live here, and every nation that gets itself into trouble comes crying for help, or financial aid, or humanitarian relief, or--of course--military intervention. It is a classic example of biting the hand that feeds.

The question for Tom Cruise, or Alec Baldwin, or strongchick, or anyone else is this: where would you prefer to live, and why don't you just go there? They won't go because there IS NO OTHER place on earth that is preferable to the United States. There is no other place on earth that will provide them the opportunity to make the kind of lives for themselves that they want. Of course, the irony is that the very government that they rail against is the reason that they have the right to mouth off like they do. Biting the hand again.