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[Lumbuss]

Oh Puhlease. Terrorism is committed constantly still is, and was before sept.11. The CIA sponsors terrorism for God's sake! Just look at the Central American Death Squads funded by US taxpayers. "Terrorism" is being used to justify a future attack against Iraq even though there is no clear link between Sept.11 and Saddam.

Even the so-called cotact between Sept.11 hijackers and Iragi agents in Prague which got so much publicity in the american propangda machine was proved false by the Czech police. Of course that revelation got far less (if any) exposure in the American propa...opps... I mean press.

i guess your right, saddam is a good guy. i doubt he would ever commit terrorism, good thing we have guys like him in this word to keep peace. its all the USA government, they ran the plane into the pentagon and killed their own too probably.

 

[HansNZ]

i guess your right, saddam is a good guy. i doubt he would ever commit terrorism, good thing we have guys like him in this word to keep peace. its all the USA government, they ran the plane into the pentagon and killed their own too probably.

You seem to have forgotten who Saddam's allies were. Do you think he fought a war against the "evil" Iranians (a country 3 times the size of Iraq) by himself? NO, it was the US which propped him up.

If you want to really know what went on during the gulf war and why the americans started it read: The Fire This Time: US War Crimes in the Gulf. By former US attorney General Ramsey Clark.

 

[HansNZ]

my point was that we dont give a shit about their oil, we bombed them because they commit terrorism. what do you guys suggest, letting them commit more terrorism?

Further to my earlier point:

"Terrorism" seems to be shaping up to be the new "human rights diplomacy" which American propaganda exploits so well. Essentially "human rights" were used as a justification for punishing a country to further American national interests, while similar or worse human rights violations by american allies (or the US itself) were ignored.

Look at Cuba. "Human rights" under Castro are exploited by the US often, yet they are FAR better than they were under the US puppet dictator Batista who Castro toppled.

When did you ever hear about what happened to the Kurds in Northern Iraq. You didn't - not until after Saddam invaded Kuwait. Of course the Iraqi military's crackdown on kurdish militants (or are they called "freedom fighters" now?) is considered Iraqi oppression, yet Israeli Crackdowns against Palestinian militants is considered " a war against terror".

 

[huntmaster]

so basically your objective in this thread is to attempt to convince everyone that "I told you so"

whether you did(tell us so) or not(I am leaning heavily toward the not)---

I think that you have managed to convey your priorities clearly


later

 

[Lumbuss]

You seem to have forgotten who Saddam's allies were. Do you think he fought a war against the "evil" Iranians (a country 3 times the size of Iraq) by himself? NO, it was the US which propped him up.

If you want to really know what went on during the gulf war and why the americans started it read: The Fire This Time: US War Crimes in the Gulf. By former US attorney General Ramsey Clark.

do they have cliffnotes for that? there is no way im going to sit down and read a fucking book.

 

[strongchick]

do they have cliffnotes for that? there is no way im going to sit down and read a fucking book.

surprise, surprise.

That would explain your brick headed reasoning.

 

[Lumbuss]

surprise, surprise.

That would explain your brick headed reasoning.

so are we going to start name calling now, dont make me call you a man because i have seen your pics. i am above you so i wont call you a man.

with that said, i dont need to be a scholar or history major to shoot down your pathetic arguments. it is quite clear that your emotions and racist views (dont tell me you dont hate whites or you are a god damn liar) drive your political beliefs. All you ever talk about is how you are black, and how you are better and smarter than everyone and how everyone who disagrees with you is a stupid little child. the reason most dont agree with you is because most people give a shit about their country, not a country half way around the world who sponsors terrorism and that has problems which are no ones fault but their own. the middle east hates america, flat out. you can't argue that they dont because they do. you cant sit back and tell me that america is evil and the middle east is good. first off they are cold blooded killers who are full of hate for us, and second you should support the country you are living in during war. otherwise you shouldn't not be living in a country if you dont support it while it attempts to fight terrorism.

 

[HansNZ]

do they have cliffnotes for that? there is no way im going to sit down and read a fucking book.

I'll give you and abridged version.

Essentially no country in the middle east does anything that will guarantee US intervention because that country knows what the consequences are.

The US ambassador to Iraq is ON TAPE telling Saddam that the US would turn a blind eye (but wouldn't publically endorse) if he wanted to re-intergrate the last province of Iraq (i.e. Kuwait) into his country. These records actually got some coverage (albeit briefly) in the US media. CNN reported this for instance.

Once Saddam did this (with US blessings), the US changed its tune (always intending to) and used this as an excuse for military action against Saddam.

The reason why the Americans wanted to do this was because Saddam's gigantic military was unsettling the balance of power in the region, because it was no longer pre-occupied by a war with Iran. Iraq made peace with Iran (unexpectedly) which left Iraq with a giant military bristling with American and European supplied armaments.

Saddam tried repeatedly to pull out of Kuwait after he realised that he had been tricked. He tried to do so while saving face, i.e. getting concessions for the Palestinians, etc. But the US would have used every opportunity to initiate a war because the whole purpose was to crush the Iraqi military machine.

Saddam tried hopelessly for several months to wiggle his way out of the situation. The man has ruled Iraq for over 20 years. Do you think anyone who achieves this is stupid? He knew he couldn't win a war against the US, but needed an excuse to get out of it - which the US wouldn't give him.

Anyway, you really need to read the book.

And btw, the international law which Saddam violated by invading Kuwait which was used as an excuse for US intervention is EXACTLY the same International law the US violated when it invaded Panama 8 months earlier. No wonder the US is so hostile towards the idea of an International War Crimes court.

 

[huntmaster]

(in regard to Lumbuss' post)
tru dat especially this war


the terrorists are jealouse

Jealousy fuels there terrorist impulses

Jealous of our freedoms and our progress

 

[HansNZ]

(in regard to Lumbuss' post)
tru dat especially this war


the terrorists are jealouse

Jealousy fuels there terrorist impulses

Jealous of our freedoms and our progress

It's not really jealousy that has fuelled this. If you bully someone long enough and hard enough they eventually strike back.

The average American is oblivious to the immoral way its government behaves around the world. If you spoke to an ordinary American or saw a typical American movie you'd swear that the US was somehow "spreading freedom and democracy". Such is the nature of propaganda.

Oh but of course you don't have propaganda in the USA, do you? It is only the Chinese, or Russians, or whoever disagrees with you that are the victims of propaganda.