Questions Regarding Helladrol

[uhh123abc]

Hi all,
I'm putting together a cycle with Helladrol, but I'd like a little more guidance as to being the smartest I can with it. There are also a few discrepancies that I've noted from some sources that I'm sure you guys can help with. Thanks in advance, and here's what I've got so far:

Cycle (5 weeks)
-Helladrol (From MrSupps)
25/50/50/50/75 So basically, 25mgs a day for the first week, then 50 for the next three, and then one final week of 75mgs a day.
-CEL Cycle Assist 4 capsules 2 hours after my first Helladrol capsule, and 4 2 hours after my final capsule before bed.

PCT (5 weeks)
-Forged Post Cycle 2 capsules a day
-Forma Stanzol 5 pumps in the morning and 5 pumps at night
-CEL Cycle Assist 3 capsules 2 hours after Forged Post Cycle and 3 capsules after, before bed.


Supplements I'll be taking during both Cycle/PCT
-Hydrolyzed Whey
-Animal Pak Multivitamin
-Enteric Coated Fish Oil Pills


Here's my diet

Breakfast- 6 Hard boiled eggs, 2 cups of oatmeal with a protein shake
Second Breakfast- 8-9oz chicken breast with a fruit or vegetable
Lunch-8-9oz chicken breast/beef with a fruit or vegetable
Dinner- 4 hard boiled eggs, 5oz chicken breast with a fruit of vegetable
Bedtime snack- 1 cup of 0% fat cottage cheese


Usually what I do is throw in a protein bar between one of those meals. I don't always have the time when I work out, but what I do know, is that it will always be after breakfast, and I'll take my whey immediately after. I also don't have a specific time that I will eat dinner, but I do know it will be before 11. Nor do I know when I will wake up, go to sleep. Probably not before 7am, and I do like to get a full 8 hours. This is because of work.



Questions
-Is Forma Stanzol worth it? I'm looking for the most beneficial PCT, of course, but I just find it odd that it goes on through the skin. It's interesting.
-Should I need more support for my liver and such then what I've got?
-Should I start taking Forged Post Cycle and Forma Stanzol on the last week of my cycle?
-Will my normal suppliments interfere with the cycle or vice versa? What if I drank some green tea?





Thanks guys.

 

[dan188]

25mg is real low to start, that's 1 cap. Add a liver supp to the cycle. Search for helladrol cycles, Dylan has offered several cycle setups with hella that are spot on.

 

[uhh123abc]

25mg is real low to start, that's 1 cap. Add a liver supp to the cycle. Search for helladrol cycles, Dylan has offered several cycle setups with hella that are spot on.

That sounds like a plan. However, if I added, say, forged liver support, wouldn't it be redundant?
This is part of the description of CEL cycle assist from amazon: "Cycle Assist contains a combination of specifically dosed ingredients designed to help provide liver, blood pressure, cholesterol, prostate, and acne support."


I'll look for those cycle examples

 

[uhh123abc]

Oh wow I was reading his helladrol transformation thread. He took Helladrol for two weeks longer than recommended and on his last week 125mg! That's 2-3x the recommended dosage. I don't know what to think of that because obviously I don't know as much but that's a lot. But from reading his thread I'm going to make these changes:
25/50/50/50/75
Move Forma Stanzol to week 3 and continue throughout PCT



I can't seem to find anything like "Recommended Helladrol cycles" but I'm still looking. Also, he's got creatine on there. I've been staying away from that from the water retention. Should I bother? Dylan looks shredded anyway.
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Also, I was reading another post from someone else from that same thread:
"I love it! I think he brain picked me Well thought out cycle. All the esters are basically the same; he's using different compounds that hit different receptors; and the compounds he is using all have a different biological benefit. Also, his dosages for each compound are moderate, which will enable him to utilize each compound without wasting the gear. Moreover, his cycle is not too short nor is it too long, it is moderate, which will give him optimum results. Nice work!!"



As I said previously, he's running helladrol for 2 weeks longer and taking 2-3x the recommended amount according to Mrsupps. What's going on?

 

[dan188]

I believe that quote is regarding an AAS cycle, not hella. Here is an example cycle that is pretty average around here with hella

1-6 helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/125
1-6 transaderm
1-6 n2gaurd
3-12 forma

PCT
6-10 Unleashed Post cycle combo or test infusion
6-12 forma
6-12 DAA 5g e/d

I bolded some things you don't have included... on cycle no test support/shutdown support. Such could be transaderm, hcgenerate or unleashed. PCT test support, again same products or DAA like listed above.

 

[uhh123abc]

I believe that quote is regarding an AAS cycle, not hella. Here is an example cycle that is pretty average around here with hella

1-6 helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/125
1-6 transaderm
1-6 n2gaurd
3-12 forma

PCT
6-10 Unleashed Post cycle combo or test infusion
6-12 forma
6-12 DAA 5g e/d

I bolded some things you don't have included... on cycle no test support/shutdown support. Such could be transaderm, hcgenerate or unleashed. PCT test support, again same products or DAA like listed above.

Okay, makes sense. That sounds pretty good, but could you explain the differences between the example I gave and yours? I'm still under the impression that taking 125mg any day and exceeding 5 weeks is a little bit crazy. Thanks for the help so far.

 

[joonp]

Im in my first cycle of helladrol at 75/75/100/100/125/125. Im bout 3 1/2 weeks in. I thought the same thing b cuz the bottle dose advice is 25mg=1pill but from all that i read and from dylan's advice i upped it to this dosage and im very happy wih the results so far. Looking back if i ran at 25 or even 50 that would be way too low a dosage....

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[notjake11]

Most who have used it will tell you that running it at 25 or 50 is just a waste.

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[uhh123abc]

Alright, thanks for the advice guys. I'm still hesitant to go over 100, but I'll up it to
50/50/50/75/75/100.


I'm still curious as to the differences between my stated cycle and the one Dan posted.

 

[infraredline]

Alright, thanks for the advice guys. I'm still hesitant to go over 100, but I'll up it to
50/50/50/75/75/100.


I'm still curious as to the differences between my stated cycle and the one Dan posted.

You don't even need to go over 75 in my opinion, 100 is a pretty hefty dose. Remember less is more

You would probably be fine at 50 for the first 3 weeks and 75 for the last 3

 

[uhh123abc]

Haha okay that's what I was thinking. But 6 weeks... odd that the general consensus is two weeks over the recommended.


50/50/50/75/75/75
1-6 CEL Cycle assist
_____
3-12 Forma Stanzol
6-12 Forged post cycle
6-12 CEL Cycle assist




VS



1-6 helladrol 50/50/50/75/75/75
1-6 HCGenerate
1-6 n2gaurd
3-12 forma

_______
6-10 Unleashed Post cycle combo or test infusion
6-12 forma
6-12 DAA 5g e/d

 

[infraredline]

Haha okay that's what I was thinking. But 6 weeks... odd that the general consensus is two weeks over the recommended.


50/50/50/75/75/75
1-6 CEL Cycle assist
_____
3-12 Forma Stanzol
6-12 Forged post cycle
6-12 CEL Cycle assist




VS



1-6 helladrol 50/50/50/75/75/75
1-6 HCGenerate
1-6 n2gaurd
3-12 forma

_______
6-10 Unleashed Post cycle combo or test infusion
6-12 forma
6-12 DAA 5g e/d

It's because halodrol normally really kicks in right around the 3rd or 4th week so it would be pointless to discontinue it at 4

 

[uhh123abc]

Okay, makes sense. What about the better of those two cycles?

 

[infraredline]

Okay, makes sense. What about the better of those two cycles?

I would do this

1-3 halodrol 50mg
4-6 halodrol 75mg
1-10 formastanzol
1-6 organ shield by purus labs
7-10 torem 120/90/60/30
7-10 post cycle unleashed combo
7-10 d aspartic acid
11-19 ostarine 15mg

 

[uhh123abc]

I would do this

1-3 halodrol 50mg
4-6 halodrol 75mg
1-10 formastanzol
1-6 organ shield by purus labs
7-10 torem 120/90/60/30
7-10 post cycle unleashed combo
7-10 d aspartic acid
11-19 ostarine 15mg

Well I mean I'm on a budget, and I've not researched anything you listed. Are the two I posted really that bad?

 

[Jbranken]

Run your liver guard through pct and add in some creatine. Also, halo is worthless at 50mg IMO. I ran it 125mg my last week the first time I ever used it. Bloods came back perfectly. Just because the bottle "recommends" something doesn't mean that's the most effective way. They're more or less covering their asses. Anyone who has run it here will tell you that 100 is a good sweet spot for halo. Bump up if needed the last 2 weeks. It's a mild compound

Halo 1-6 75/75/75/100/100/100
N2guard 1-6
HCGenerate 2-6
Forma 2-6

PCT 6-10

Creatine
N2guard
Unleashed
Test Infusion
Forma

(You can sub unleashed with methyl EAA. It stacks well with test infusion)

 

[uhh123abc]

Run your liver guard through pct and add in some creatine. Also, halo is worthless at 50mg IMO. I ran it 125mg my last week the first time I ever used it. Bloods came back perfectly. Just because the bottle "recommends" something doesn't mean that's the most effective way. They're more or less covering their asses. Anyone who has run it here will tell you that 100 is a good sweet spot for halo. Bump up if needed the last 2 weeks. It's a mild compound

Halo 1-6 75/75/75/100/100/100
N2guard 1-6
HCGenerate 2-6
Forma 2-6

PCT 6-10

Creatine
N2guard
Unleashed
Test Infusion
Forma

(You can sub unleashed with methyl EAA. It stacks well with test infusion)

I see. Will the creatine give me too much water retention though? I'm also interested in knowing why its part of the PCT if I'm making the best gains during the cycle. Not that I'm like doubting you I just don't understand. Also, I can't seem to find any unleashed post cycle. I checked on needtobuild muscle and it';s out of stock.


Edit: Also, I can't afford that cycle. I guess that's what I get while I'm in grad school. What's safe to shave off of that cycle? Anything?

 

[Jbranken]

I see. Will the creatine give me too much water retention though? I'm also interested in knowing why its part of the PCT if I'm making the best gains during the cycle. Not that I'm like doubting you I just don't understand.

It will aid in retention of the gains made on cycle

 

[uhh123abc]

It will aid in retention of the gains made on cycle

Oh duh, that makes sense. What about this?


"Edit: Also, I can't afford that cycle. I guess that's what I get while I'm in grad school. What's safe to shave off of that cycle? Anything?"

 

[Jbranken]

Id shave the on cycle forma and just have enough for pct, then next I'd rid of the creatine. Anything else and you may be setting yourself up for failure. Maybe the hcgenerate too

 

[uhh123abc]

Alright so here we go this is the poor man's version of your cycle. Tell me what you think:

Halo 1-6 75/75/75/75/100/100
N2guard 1-6
Forma 2-6

PCT 6-10

Creatine
N2guard
test Infusion
Forma



Obviously I'd like the most protection but I did drop Unleashed because it's expensive. Could I throw Forged post cycle in for it? Or would that not work?

 

[Jbranken]

Yes friend forged post cycle will most definitely help. Unleashed/hcgen are amazing products but I understand that they're expensive. You should recover just fine and keep gains with your proposed plan. As long as your diet is in check that is

 

[Jbranken]

Didn't know if anyone answered your original questions fully.

(See newbs, if you actually put time into research and a cycle proposal , you won't get flamed for asking us to spoon feed you )

Hi all,
I'm putting together a cycle with Helladrol, but I'd like a little more guidance as to being the smartest I can with it. There are also a few discrepancies that I've noted from some sources that I'm sure you guys can help with. Thanks in advance, and here's what I've got so far:

Cycle (5 weeks)
-Helladrol (From MrSupps)
25/50/50/50/75 So basically, 25mgs a day for the first week, then 50 for the next three, and then one final week of 75mgs a day.
-CEL Cycle Assist 4 capsules 2 hours after my first Helladrol capsule, and 4 2 hours after my final capsule before bed.

PCT (5 weeks)
-Forged Post Cycle 2 capsules a day
-Forma Stanzol 5 pumps in the morning and 5 pumps at night
-CEL Cycle Assist 3 capsules 2 hours after Forged Post Cycle and 3 capsules after, before bed.


Supplements I'll be taking during both Cycle/PCT
-Hydrolyzed Whey
-Animal Pak Multivitamin
-Enteric Coated Fish Oil Pills


Here's my diet

Breakfast- 6 Hard boiled eggs, 2 cups of oatmeal with a protein shake
Second Breakfast- 8-9oz chicken breast with a fruit or vegetable
Lunch-8-9oz chicken breast/beef with a fruit or vegetable
Dinner- 4 hard boiled eggs, 5oz chicken breast with a fruit of vegetable
Bedtime snack- 1 cup of 0% fat cottage cheese


Usually what I do is throw in a protein bar between one of those meals. I don't always have the time when I work out, but what I do know, is that it will always be after breakfast, and I'll take my whey immediately after. I also don't have a specific time that I will eat dinner, but I do know it will be before 11. Nor do I know when I will wake up, go to sleep. Probably not before 7am, and I do like to get a full 8 hours. This is because of work.



Questions
-Is Forma Stanzol worth it? I'm looking for the most beneficial PCT, of course, but I just find it odd that it goes on through the skin. It's interesting.
Youll find that this an awesome product that works via transdermal delivery. I apply it on the nips and it works great as an ai, keeping water retention down, along with many other benefits
-Should I need more support for my liver and such then what I've got?
No sir. But I wouldn't take your liver support at the same time as the ph dose. Take the support supps a few hours after. It can hinder the ph effectiveness if taken together
-Should I start taking Forged Post Cycle and Forma Stanzol on the last week of my cycle?
its not necessary but you'll already be running the forma at this time anyway
-Will my normal suppliments interfere with the cycle or vice versa? What if I drank some green tea?
no you're fine





Thanks guys.

 

[uhh123abc]

Alright thanks a lot man, I appreciate it. So here it is:

Halo 1-6 75/75/75/75/100/100
N2guard 1-6
Forma 2-6

PCT 6-10

Creatine
N2guard
Forged Post Cycle
test Infusion
Forma Stanzol



I've heard from more than one person that that diet should be solid enough. Here's to keeping my hair, liver, and penis functional.


One last question: Why is PCT 4 weeks and the cycle 6?

 

[Jbranken]

Believe me, pct doesn't end after just 4 weeks. Time on + pct = time off. You'll sill be in the recovery process after 4 weeks so continue to train hard and eat right

 

[uhh123abc]

So in reality it's like
6 week cycle
4 week PCT
4 weeks after PCT but not taking anything but my normal suppliments

 

[Jbranken]

Well more like 10 weeks.

6 week cycle + 4 week pct. = 10 weeks. So 10 weeks off after pct

 

[uhh123abc]

Jesus that's a long time. So you take off the duration of your cycle+PCT. Alright thanks for all your help man, I really appreciate it.

 

[Jbranken]

Gotta let your body recover No problem. Good luck and keep us posted

 

[Idobehigh]

Honestly if you do not have the funds to run a proper cycle you should not run it anytime someone says they want to shave something off to save money is a red flag. I understand your in grad school I to am In school I have been buying piece by piece for my upcoming cycle and I am not impatient, I will be willing to wait a few weeks or months till I get everything I need. No offense and not being a dick but anyone that things helladrol should be run at 25mg or 50mg has not done enough research. I hope you are taking this seriously anytime you add another hormone to your body, it will naturally stop producing IMO you are not ready for a cycle and need to continue to research and if you are going to just run with it don't shave off hcgenerate and get bloodwork before cycle in case something goes wrong during or after cycle.

 

[Jbranken]

He has done his research. He wanted to run it low because he's conservative and unsure how he'll react. This is how every newbie should approach steroids and ph's IMHO. Hcgenerate is nice on cycle but its not absolutely necessary. Ph cycles have been successful for years without hcgenerate and will for many years to come.

 

[uhh123abc]

Honestly if you do not have the funds to run a proper cycle you should not run it anytime someone says they want to shave something off to save money is a red flag. I understand your in grad school I to am In school I have been buying piece by piece for my upcoming cycle and I am not impatient, I will be willing to wait a few weeks or months till I get everything I need. No offense and not being a dick but anyone that things helladrol should be run at 25mg or 50mg has not done enough research. I hope you are taking this seriously anytime you add another hormone to your body, it will naturally stop producing IMO you are not ready for a cycle and need to continue to research and if you are going to just run with it don't shave off hcgenerate and get bloodwork before cycle in case something goes wrong during or after cycle.

He has done his research. He wanted to run it low because he's conservative and unsure how he'll react. This is how every newbie should approach steroids and ph's IMHO. Hcgenerate is nice on cycle but its not absolutely necessary. Ph cycles have been successful for years without hcgenerate and will for many years to come.

I totally understand where you're comming from, and I'm certainly not offended. I was surprised I didn't get that response before Jbranken's, but I'm also glad. I know the cardinal rule is to have everything beforehan, but it seems like this might be a time where I break it. If it is 6 weeks in before i start this PCT (If all goes well) then I'll probably have enough money for HCgenerate by then. In which case I could simply place it into my PCT list, correct?

 

[Jbranken]

It's better for on cycle use but it couldn't hurt in pct

 

[infraredline]

Well I mean I'm on a budget, and I've not researched anything you listed. Are the two I posted really that bad?

If you are going to be using any for of chemical enhancement you need to be prepared to spare no expense.

And no the other two aren't bad but organ shield is cheaper then n2guard and does just as good of a job in my opinion, I think torem works better for post cycle recovery (just my opinion), the ostarine will help you retain your gains made on cycle, the rest is listed in the cycle above.

In regards to the different dosing protocols for the halodrol everyone is different, some people see results as low as 25mg (however I would never advise a dose this low) but I would not go over 100mg, even Dylan has said sides got pretty harsh over 100mg in posts he has made on halodrol

It's ultimately your decision what dosing you want to do because plenty of people see results at 50mg and vice versa