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question on your opinions on a couple things

lemur

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this is a very important thing that I really need an opinion that's worth listening to for once on. I can ask people outside of the boards and my training partners what to do, but they don't take me seriously because i'm "too young".

heres my question

Last week, I attended a training camp for fencing. One of the guys there is an amazing athlete and also a physiologist. We were doing training in the gym every day (the first time I was doing fencing specific training) and this is what the program looked like:

-1 minute rest between exercises
-most controlled reps in 30 seconds, close to failure by the end but not reaching it (this is usually around 15 reps, varying a bit in either direction with the exercises)
-circuit training style, exercises one by one, 1 set each
-circuit done once or twice
-meant to be done 3 times a week

circuit one looked like this:

squat
overhead press
lunge walk
one foot stair hops (2-4 stairs at a time)
bridges
pushups
pullups
wrist roller
lots of frickin ab work, one of the guys he was training puked twice during the ab routine.

circuit 2-3 had stuff like speed squats, overhead squats, bent over rows, split squats, split jumps, and other similar exercises.

the guy told me since the program was made for beginners, I would be dropping some of the general fitness stuff like pushups, and eventually adding in power cleans, clean and jerk, and snatch. I loved what this program did for my ability to change direction and lunge, even though I only did it for a week. I also like the combination of plyometrics, o-lifts and regular lifting.

Anyways, this guy also wanted me training fencing 3 times a week, and alternating lifting 2 times a week and running 3 times a week with running 2 and lifting 3.

What I'd like to know is, what are your thoughts on a program like this? What do you guys think of cross-training and circuit training in general? How much do you think lifting would help a sport like fencing? anyone's opinions are welcome, even if you think this program won't do jack for me.
 
Training for a specific sport and general bodybuilding are two very different animals. I know nothing about fencing, and your trainer seems to know his shit. Just based on that, the program looks fine to me.

But again, the effectiveness of any training program can only be judged in the context of specific goals. The program you describe looks ok for overall fitness. But for adding size and strength, I think it's lacking.
 
that's the thing. the problem is, I look down the road, and I don't see much of a future in lifting. I have too much other stuff going on in my life that I can't quit, and I don't exactly have the genetics to do it without real devotion (which I can't accomplish with everything else going on).

but i love lifting. I love the feeling you get while finishing a set of squats, likewise with deads, and just about anything else. I kinda stopped caring how much weight i'm doing, as long as it isn't going down and I'm busting my ass in the gym, and it's helping my fencing.

I guess I could say at this point, fencing is my #1 priority, but I'm not about to quit lifting.
 
You must learn from your body. Remember that if you don't like your routine...you are unlikely to do it very often...

Do what you like, within reason. I find that it eventually produces better results.

B True
 
Things to remember:

Fencing is all about speed and technique, and while a certain amount of strength is necessary, it is not as important as in many other sports, even swimming. And excess bulk will just slow you down.

Train as explosively as possible, within reason. Avoid injury at all costs. The Olympic lifts are great for this, assuming you have a competent coach. A sign of a good coach is that they will teach you the snatch first.

What do you fence, sabre, rapier, or epee?
 
As I understand it fencing entails quite an aerobic aspect. As such, you'll get little carry over from any weightlifting.

Have you considered medince ball throws? They'll help you work on the same plane of movement.

And as Arioch said: olympic movements are great in creating explosiveness.

It's interesting to know that olympic athletes run faster than world class sprinters in the first 30 meters. They cannot maintain the high velocity for 100 meters but it goes to show upto what point olympic movments are useful/have a real carry over.

-Zulu
 
I fence foil. sabre and epee are offered but I never liked either of them that much, cause epee is too slow paced and sabre is over too quick.

One of the most important things in fencing is to be able to change direction quickly, ie someone is chasing you down the piste and you stop for a quarter of a second to draw out their attack, back up quickly forcing them to finish short, and then go. I can not think of a bout in a competition where quicker direction changes wouldn't help.

The thing with fencing is, there is a large strength aspect. A foil (providing you have enough arm strength) can be "whipped" or "flicked" over your opponent and hit them on the back/under the arm/etc. The whip is a very useful tool, but there are some times when you're at such an angle that whipping is nearly impossible, even though if you could do it it could be the best choice for the situation. There was a guy who spent years doing strength training just so he could whip easier, and he made national team. Also, it's easier to move a blade around in smaller motions if you have a lot of strength and coordination.

I didn't ask him what O-lift he was going to try and put in first, but we were watching a guy doing clean and jerk and he told me it was stuff like that and snatches that he wanted to put in, because they were what would really make me fast.

I wouldn't personally question his ability to coach for half a second, I'm convinced hes an outstanding coach.

I appreciate the opinions, I really want to talk to him about o-lifting.
 
I think that the routine is general fitness... and for different purposes different results. It all will depend on what your goals are.
 
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