Question about taking prohormones before steroids

[Bill Llewellyn]

If it's used for breast cancer it would be an estrogen agonist which would mean a SHBG blocker which would mean a DHT derivative.

Not to be nitpicky, but this doesn't make sense at all. A steroid does not have to be an estrogen antagonist (you meant antagonist right?) to be useful for breast cancer. It can block aromatase or simply impart strong anabolic/androgenic activity without estrogenicity, which helps block tissue growth by shifting the estrogen/androgen balance. It also doesn't have to be an SHBG blocker per say, nor does it need to be a DHT derivative.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

METHYLMASTERON aka METHASTERON has been around and used in breast cancer patients for decades in china

you can pubmed it

Actually, I believe you are thinking about mepitiostane, which is close in structure (but not identical) to "epistane". Mepitiostane is sold in Japan, not China.

Just FYI mepitiostane is actually weaker than epistane, as it is not c-17 alpha alkylated.

 

[needtogetarmy]

These designer steroids are oral steroids, most similar to Winstrol. So you really can't compare their risks vs. rewards to testosterone and methenolone. All c17aa orals will fail if held up to the safety standard of these two much safer injectables.

The point I am making is that these orals are really no different than other orals like Winstrol. Your argument falls apart mostly when you call them "prosteroids or prohormoens or whatever". These products are still chemically and pharmacologically oral anabolic steroids.

I agree 100% with this statement. I get tired of people not getting it right. Excellent post Bill.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

BTW - I want to add that I have absolutely no financial interest in the designer steroid market. To the contrary, it could be argued due to my interests in arachidonic acid that I would be much better served if these products were not sold at all. They actually do violate the law, and personally I believe they really shouldn't be sold OTC to tell the truth, but that is another subject.

I post the above because I study these drugs for a living, and it just drives me nuts to see people miscategorize them as somehow not steroids. I would guess it would be like trying to explain to a computer engineer with a straight face that the Macintosh is actually a toaster or a can opener, not a "real" computer.




And just some history.. The original company that synthesized superdrol also made Anadrol and several other potent synthetic steroids during the same set of experiments. The only thing that makes ANADROL any different is that Syntex invested the money to have it approved in the U.S. All of the others are just as "real". You can accept this or not but it is fact.

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[Nelson Montana]

Well, I can address each point but at this point its splitting hairs. This has become an argument of semantics. Let's see what we've come away from with all this.

Neither one of use recommends this shit, so why are we arguing? Again, it's like the old MFW crowd who were more into debating minutea and typos than giving practical advice.

Secondly, it seems that Superdrol is the best of the bunch but what are the sides? Are they worse than a comparably effective dosage of other steroids?

That's what matters. I don't really care about how close the molecular structure is. How well does it work? What are the sides? Is it worth using? If not, it's a non issue AFAIC.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

Well, I can address each point but at this point its splitting hairs. This has become an argument of semantics. Let's see what we've come away from with all this.

Neither one of use recommends this shit, so why are we arguing? Again, it's like the old MFW crowd who were more into debating minutea and typos than giving practical advice.

Secondly, it seems that Superdrol is the best of the bunch but what are the sides? Are they worse than a comparably effective dosage of other steroids?

That's what matters. I don't really care about how close the molecular structure is. How well does it work? What are the sides? Is it worth using? If not, it's a non issue AFAIC.

IMO its better than any c17aa in the book in terms of gains. i have tried many, including oldies but goldies like nilevar, and methylated test, eq and deca tabs. its sides are menial, but i hear a lot of horror stories from newbies about gyno issues. I suppose if you do anything with proper consideration and care ie using an AI it can all be minimized. It gets me agressive. Oh shit, i forgot, one HUGE thing that draws me away from superdrol, IT MAKES ME GO HYPOGLYCEMIC !!!!!!!!!!!!! i always feel hypo after working out and im not sensitive to insulin. i never craved sugar treats before i tried that in my whole life, now i feel as i have to have one sometimes or i will pass out. diet is great, lifestyle is exceeding healthy, training regiment is intense. dunno.....but it always makes me go hypo. and similar to that of anadrol the LETHARGY is def ther!

 

[immebz]

I dont get how the designer companies can get away with selling the bottles like superdrol and cyclotren if it is steroids.

All in all i think if your gonna do anything, forget anything that hasnt been studied. You are messing with a lot of reactions and things that go in your body when you introduce exogenous test into the endocrine system. To me te endocrine system is the most important thing ud want to keep healthy, because there are so many things we dont understand about it. My dad was telling me something about how we dont know what triggers the baby to come out of the womb, or something like that.

Might as well take something that has numerous studies, and has a list of every single possible side effect. Not like a bottle of superdrol is going to kill you, but at least test is given to patients on HRT. Superdrol isnt, and thats because we have studied testosterone for 50 years.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Well, I can address each point but at this point its splitting hairs. This has become an argument of semantics. Let's see what we've come away from with all this.

Neither one of use recommends this shit, so why are we arguing? Again, it's like the old MFW crowd who were more into debating minutea and typos than giving practical advice.

Secondly, it seems that Superdrol is the best of the bunch but what are the sides? Are they worse than a comparably effective dosage of other steroids?

That's what matters. I don't really care about how close the molecular structure is. How well does it work? What are the sides? Is it worth using? If not, it's a non issue AFAIC.

Actually, no, this discussion is really about one very basic and substantial thing. Are compounds like Superdrol, pheraplex, epistane etc actually "real" steroids. The fact is they all are, nothing "close" about it.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

I dont get how the designer companies can get away with selling the bottles like superdrol and cyclotren if it is steroids.

Every one of these copmpanies is violating a fairly big law. According to the Dietary Supplement Health & Education Act (DSHEA), in order to be sold as a "dietary supplement" a compound must be free of other regulation and identified as a natural part of food (people are already eating it). Old prohomrones were found in food. These new designer steroids, however, are 100% synthetic, and do not qualify. The potential penalties for this are very serious; a couple of years in federal prison per count. Thus far, however, the FDA has chosen to handle these matters itself (There is no FDA police) with mere warning letters.

At some point this is all going to have to give. There is way too much law breaking going on with these products. Sooner or later people are going to get locked up for doing this. The FDA has no other choice, otherwise this will go on forever.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

I dont get how the designer companies can get away with selling the bottles like superdrol and cyclotren if it is steroids.

All in all i think if your gonna do anything, forget anything that hasnt been studied. You are messing with a lot of reactions and things that go in your body when you introduce exogenous test into the endocrine system. To me te endocrine system is the most important thing ud want to keep healthy, because there are so many things we dont understand about it. My dad was telling me something about how we dont know what triggers the baby to come out of the womb, or something like that.

Might as well take something that has numerous studies, and has a list of every single possible side effect. Not like a bottle of superdrol is going to kill you, but at least test is given to patients on HRT. Superdrol isnt, and thats because we have studied testosterone for 50 years.

There is a lot to be said for using only pharmaceutical AAS. For one, drugs like testosterone, nandrolone, boldenone, and methenolone can impart a strong effect without liver toxicity and less cardiovascular strain. Personally, I wouldn't go near these designer steroids at my age - I am too worried what potent C17aa's like these will do for my lipids.

I just want to make sure we are fundamentally looking at these compounds as what they are though - real steroids that simply were never marketed by drug companies.. There are hundreds if not thousands more in the books.