Question about taking prohormones before steroids

[Bill Llewellyn]

of course, im jus talking about designer steroids as to pharmaceutical steroids.

Being these are all in the same drug class, the risks and rewards are the same. The only real differences are in the potential quality of materials and perhaps unknown pharmacological aspects, as these are essentially unstudied research compounds (drug products) being sold in an unregulated supplement market without strict purity standards.

The main point I am trying to make is that there is no unusual aspect to these products, such as them producing less gains than "real" steroids with more risks. Risks and rewards the same, basically.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Being these are all in the same drug class, the risks and rewards are the same. The only real differences are in the potential quality of materials and perhaps unknown pharmacological aspects, as these are essentially unstudied research compounds (drug products) being sold in an unregulated supplement market without strict purity standards.

The main point I am trying to make is that there is no unusual aspect to these products, such as them producing less gains than "real" steroids with more risks. Risks and rewards the same, basically.

Sorry Bill, I must seriously disagree. I believe you can more readily gain 10 pounds of muscle using test and primo with less side effects than it would take to grow 10 pounds of muscle with any pro-hormone or pro-steroid or whatever you want to call them.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Sorry Bill, I must seriously disagree. I believe you can more readily gain 10 pounds of muscle using test and primo with less side effects than it would take to grow 10 pounds of muscle with any pro-hormone or pro-steroid or whatever you want to call them.

These designer steroids are oral steroids, most similar to Winstrol. So you really can't compare their risks vs. rewards to testosterone and methenolone. All c17aa orals will fail if held up to the safety standard of these two much safer injectables.

The point I am making is that these orals are really no different than other orals like Winstrol. Your argument falls apart mostly when you call them "prosteroids or prohormoens or whatever". These products are still chemically and pharmacologically oral anabolic steroids.

 

[Nelson Montana]

These designer steroids are oral steroids, most similar to Winstrol. So you really can't compare their risks vs. rewards to testosterone and methenolone. All c17aa orals will fail if held up to the safety standard of these two much safer injectables.

The point I am making is that these orals are really no different than other orals like Winstrol. Your argument falls apart mostly when you call them "prosteroids or prohormoens or whatever". These products are still chemically and pharmacologically oral anabolic steroids.

My argument falls apart because I don't use the correct "made up" termanology? Yeah, and dynamite and firecrackers are both listed as explosives. That doesn't make them the same.

Okay, let's call them steroids if that makes you happy. I'll use the same analogy. Whatever it would take to gain 10 pounds of muscle using winny will yield more side effects using these OTC compounds.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Whatever it would take to gain 10 pounds of muscle using winny will yield more side effects using these OTC compounds.

Why would this be? What mechanism would allow this? Effectiveness and side effects are often closely linked as they are often mediated via the same receptor (liver toxicity, for example, is closely tied to the potency of an oral steroid).

Please explain scientifically how these compounds could possibly be less efficacious yet more dangerous at the same time.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

dynamite and firecrackers are both listed as explosives. That doesn't make them the same.

Prosteroids (or whatever they are incorrectly being called) share the same 4 ring carbon backbone and key functional groups as the drugs in the pharmacy. There is no difference, whereas there is a clear one with dynamite and firecrackers.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Prosteroids (or whatever they are incorrectly being called) share the same 4 ring carbon backbone and key functional groups as the drugs in the pharmacy. There is no difference, whereas there is a clear one with dynamite and firecrackers.

This line of questioning is faintly reminiscent of the MFW board circa 1997 when all the resident psuedo science geeks thought they knew the answer to everything and challenged anyone who dared qustion them to speak in scientific terms. (Incidentally, most of those self proclaimed geniuses looked like shit or wound up in jail).

You're not a scientist Bill. You even admit you never used these compounds. So let's stop playing games. You don't have to be a chicken to recognize an egg. If these compounds worked as well as FDA approved anabolics I'd be happy as all hell. But they don't. So stop with trying to prove how they're the same. I offered a comparison and you dodged the issue. Enough with this baloney already. Get real.

 

[blooddrinker69]

Somebody bump this. Good stuff.. lol.

 

[immebz]

lol yea it is bump

 

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LLELLWYN and NELSON are veterans and this thread is Amazing i have been waiting for a discussion between two ACTUAL gurus for a whlie