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PWO shake question

Elementality said:
So you guys like WM? I grind up like 50 carbs worth of whole oats in a coffee grinder and throw those bad johnnies into my whey shake with dextrose...comes out to like 45 g protein, 80 - 90ish of carbs.

How does oats+dex compare to WM for overall health and PWO shakes?


no comparison. imo your oats r slowing down the digestion of the dex.
 
Any you guys sip on WM during your workout then take some postworkout. I think I might start doing this then take 2 scoops postworkout with some aminos followed 20 minutes later with whey.
 
chew your food. I have yet to see a study that has conclusive, peer reviewed study to attest that 'protein assimilation windows' even exist in regards to supra-glycogen compensation in athletes that are anything other than PROFOUNDLY glycogen depleted, which is a functional impossibility for anyone sipping sugars before/during/after their workout.

All the paper that has hit my desk in ten years is all based on the same few studies, ALL of which are pulled from very high intensity workloads that last for 1.5-2.5 hours, we're talking supramaximal depletion being the determining factor for greater amino uptake and all of THAT is based on anecdotal evidence, as there is no way to test for it reliably.

SO, every BB i have ever hung with or worked with or had as client has always maintained that PWON is written in stone and that he/she must consume assinine protein numbers, no offense, but I have only gotten two competitors to try to use real protein numbers and just chew their food, and they were just as full and just as hard as on the standard protocols, they just never had the cajones to try it.
 
ChefWide said:
chew your food. I have yet to see a study that has conclusive, peer reviewed study to attest that 'protein assimilation windows' even exist in regards to supra-glycogen compensation in athletes that are anything other than PROFOUNDLY glycogen depleted, which is a functional impossibility for anyone sipping sugars before/during/after their workout.

All the paper that has hit my desk in ten years is all based on the same few studies, ALL of which are pulled from very high intensity workloads that last for 1.5-2.5 hours, we're talking supramaximal depletion being the determining factor for greater amino uptake and all of THAT is based on anecdotal evidence, as there is no way to test for it reliably.

SO, every BB i have ever hung with or worked with or had as client has always maintained that PWON is written in stone and that he/she must consume assinine protein numbers, no offense, but I have only gotten two competitors to try to use real protein numbers and just chew their food, and they were just as full and just as hard as on the standard protocols, they just never had the cajones to try it.

Good Info. But if you get the same results both ways, is it not easier to drink a shake right after then to eat. I usually take a shake right after then 45 min later have a high protein meal. Anyhow whats your take on amino consumption?
 
skullcrushin22 said:
Good Info. But if you get the same results both ways, is it not easier to drink a shake right after then to eat. I usually take a shake right after then 45 min later have a high protein meal. Anyhow whats your take on amino consumption?

easier? yes. better? no, at least not for me and i will always maintain if you try multiple protocols and keep real data, then just use what works best for you. Most do not bother to try and few if any keep real data to support what they do: i have to, its my job.

back to easier: yeah, sometimes i have to slug back an MRP in the need for haste, but would i rather do that or have Pan Seared Tilapia poached in Barley Miso Broth with crushed almonds and broccoli or Whey and Waxy maize?

You make the call for you, I go with 'chew'.
 
Didn't we grow at our fastest rate when we were breatfeeding? Liquid protein it's place!

Just sayin!
 
i can't see why listening to your body hasn't been mentioned.

that will tell you what you want and need with more accuracy than a 6 page ad for some protein powder and it'll be probably different every day. i know mine is.

if you feel like a shake, have one. they are convenient and can tide you over till it's time to eat but if you're in the mood to eat then eat.

after a big leg w/o i really don't feel like eating much so a shake is perfect but sometimes after a shoulders and arms w/o i can gobble down steak and eggs with no problem.

nothing is set in stone in what we do. before whey protein i used to love downing a litre of skim milk and a mars bar or pineapple juice, egg whites and yoghurt and i grew like a weed.
 
ChefWide said:
chew your food. I have yet to see a study that has conclusive, peer reviewed study to attest that 'protein assimilation windows' even exist in regards to supra-glycogen compensation in athletes that are anything other than PROFOUNDLY glycogen depleted, which is a functional impossibility for anyone sipping sugars before/during/after their workout.

All the paper that has hit my desk in ten years is all based on the same few studies, ALL of which are pulled from very high intensity workloads that last for 1.5-2.5 hours, we're talking supramaximal depletion being the determining factor for greater amino uptake and all of THAT is based on anecdotal evidence, as there is no way to test for it reliably.

SO, every BB i have ever hung with or worked with or had as client has always maintained that PWON is written in stone and that he/she must consume assinine protein numbers, no offense, but I have only gotten two competitors to try to use real protein numbers and just chew their food, and they were just as full and just as hard as on the standard protocols, they just never had the cajones to try it.


i agree. everywhere you go now wm is that much better than dex. but prior to this dex was the only thing. there is no difference. theoretically everyone will say there is but there is no proof. whole foods are just as good. ive tried all the different ways (not wm because im done listening to all the sales pitches and wasting money) and the end visual results have all been the same. do what works for you.
 
i tried the dextrose, whey post w/o shake thing that everyone else was doing and i've never been so fat in my life.
 
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