PWO shake question

[viciousness]

first of all i'm 6'1 263 19% bf tryin to cut to like 12 15% so I wanted to know if this was a good idea or somthing for someone starting skinnier then me

my boy says that ontop of my pwo shake ( 2 scoops - whey 240 cals 48 gr protein 6 gr carbs) I should be taking in atleast 40 grams carbs in total. I've been using a scoop of waxy maize thats 120 calories and 39 grams of carbs in the shake aswell. is this extra 39 grams of carbs gonna just help me bloat/gain weight rather then maintain muscle and burn fat? i know all about crucial glycogen replenishing etc but whatd be the best but for someone in my position

figured theres no better place to ask then here

lemme know whasssssuppppppppppppppp

 

[GUARDIAN]

There is no bloat with WM. It is used to shuttle nutrients directly to the muscle and replenish glycogen stores. I still take WM even when I am on a keto diet where I am really low carb. That is how important it is imo. In those circumstances I will have a few carbs in the morning and then in my PWO and that is it. Your overall diet will dictate your fat loss/gain not this one meal.

 

[viciousness]

thank god someone awnsered before i hit the gym, guardian your the man g! i noticed theres no bloat with the waxy but i know carbs tend to make me hold a bit more water in my opinion ( could be all mental) but even if i have my oats in the morning etc which is still only like 27 carbs i work out 3 hours after that meal so im assuming its chill to have the waxymaize without any guilt of over carbing? peace bro's hopefully this helps clarify some for other cats too not only myself

 

[GUARDIAN]

thank god someone awnsered before i hit the gym, guardian your the man g! i noticed theres no bloat with the waxy but i know carbs tend to make me hold a bit more water in my opinion ( could be all mental) but even if i have my oats in the morning etc which is still only like 27 carbs i work out 3 hours after that meal so im assuming its chill to have the waxymaize without any guilt of over carbing? peace bro's hopefully this helps clarify some for other cats too not only myself

u will be fine. no worries about over carbing.

 

[hehateme000]

carbs do make u hold extra water weight. it takes 300-400ml to store 100g of carbs

 

[ALIN]

There is no bloat with WM. It is used to shuttle nutrients directly to the muscle and replenish glycogen stores. I still take WM even when I am on a keto diet where I am really low carb. That is how important it is imo. In those circumstances I will have a few carbs in the morning and then in my PWO and that is it. Your overall diet will dictate your fat loss/gain not this one meal.

waximaize is great. definitely an assett.

 

[keasbey]

where might one acquire some of this stuff. any preference to what kind?

 

[skullcrushin22]

where might one acquire some of this stuff. any preference to what kind?

You can get it online. Or at your local Vitamin World store its not expensive at all. I think I got a 5lb jug for 35 bucks at Vitamin World.

 

[GUARDIAN]

where might one acquire some of this stuff. any preference to what kind?

i use bulk nutrition.

 

[Elementality]

So you guys like WM? I grind up like 50 carbs worth of whole oats in a coffee grinder and throw those bad johnnies into my whey shake with dextrose...comes out to like 45 g protein, 80 - 90ish of carbs.

How does oats+dex compare to WM for overall health and PWO shakes?

 

[GUARDIAN]

So you guys like WM? I grind up like 50 carbs worth of whole oats in a coffee grinder and throw those bad johnnies into my whey shake with dextrose...comes out to like 45 g protein, 80 - 90ish of carbs.

How does oats+dex compare to WM for overall health and PWO shakes?

no comparison. imo your oats r slowing down the digestion of the dex.

 

[skullcrushin22]

Any you guys sip on WM during your workout then take some postworkout. I think I might start doing this then take 2 scoops postworkout with some aminos followed 20 minutes later with whey.

 

[ChefWide]

chew your food. I have yet to see a study that has conclusive, peer reviewed study to attest that 'protein assimilation windows' even exist in regards to supra-glycogen compensation in athletes that are anything other than PROFOUNDLY glycogen depleted, which is a functional impossibility for anyone sipping sugars before/during/after their workout.

All the paper that has hit my desk in ten years is all based on the same few studies, ALL of which are pulled from very high intensity workloads that last for 1.5-2.5 hours, we're talking supramaximal depletion being the determining factor for greater amino uptake and all of THAT is based on anecdotal evidence, as there is no way to test for it reliably.

SO, every BB i have ever hung with or worked with or had as client has always maintained that PWON is written in stone and that he/she must consume assinine protein numbers, no offense, but I have only gotten two competitors to try to use real protein numbers and just chew their food, and they were just as full and just as hard as on the standard protocols, they just never had the cajones to try it.

 

[skullcrushin22]

chew your food. I have yet to see a study that has conclusive, peer reviewed study to attest that 'protein assimilation windows' even exist in regards to supra-glycogen compensation in athletes that are anything other than PROFOUNDLY glycogen depleted, which is a functional impossibility for anyone sipping sugars before/during/after their workout.

All the paper that has hit my desk in ten years is all based on the same few studies, ALL of which are pulled from very high intensity workloads that last for 1.5-2.5 hours, we're talking supramaximal depletion being the determining factor for greater amino uptake and all of THAT is based on anecdotal evidence, as there is no way to test for it reliably.

SO, every BB i have ever hung with or worked with or had as client has always maintained that PWON is written in stone and that he/she must consume assinine protein numbers, no offense, but I have only gotten two competitors to try to use real protein numbers and just chew their food, and they were just as full and just as hard as on the standard protocols, they just never had the cajones to try it.

Good Info. But if you get the same results both ways, is it not easier to drink a shake right after then to eat. I usually take a shake right after then 45 min later have a high protein meal. Anyhow whats your take on amino consumption?

 

[ChefWide]

Good Info. But if you get the same results both ways, is it not easier to drink a shake right after then to eat. I usually take a shake right after then 45 min later have a high protein meal. Anyhow whats your take on amino consumption?

easier? yes. better? no, at least not for me and i will always maintain if you try multiple protocols and keep real data, then just use what works best for you. Most do not bother to try and few if any keep real data to support what they do: i have to, its my job.

back to easier: yeah, sometimes i have to slug back an MRP in the need for haste, but would i rather do that or have Pan Seared Tilapia poached in Barley Miso Broth with crushed almonds and broccoli or Whey and Waxy maize?

You make the call for you, I go with 'chew'.

 

[pappad]

Didn't we grow at our fastest rate when we were breatfeeding? Liquid protein it's place!

Just sayin!

 

[Me2]

i can't see why listening to your body hasn't been mentioned.

that will tell you what you want and need with more accuracy than a 6 page ad for some protein powder and it'll be probably different every day. i know mine is.

if you feel like a shake, have one. they are convenient and can tide you over till it's time to eat but if you're in the mood to eat then eat.

after a big leg w/o i really don't feel like eating much so a shake is perfect but sometimes after a shoulders and arms w/o i can gobble down steak and eggs with no problem.

nothing is set in stone in what we do. before whey protein i used to love downing a litre of skim milk and a mars bar or pineapple juice, egg whites and yoghurt and i grew like a weed.

 

[juggy54]

nitro-tech! 300% more muscle growth than normal protein!!!

dont ban me

 

[timtim]

chew your food. I have yet to see a study that has conclusive, peer reviewed study to attest that 'protein assimilation windows' even exist in regards to supra-glycogen compensation in athletes that are anything other than PROFOUNDLY glycogen depleted, which is a functional impossibility for anyone sipping sugars before/during/after their workout.

All the paper that has hit my desk in ten years is all based on the same few studies, ALL of which are pulled from very high intensity workloads that last for 1.5-2.5 hours, we're talking supramaximal depletion being the determining factor for greater amino uptake and all of THAT is based on anecdotal evidence, as there is no way to test for it reliably.

SO, every BB i have ever hung with or worked with or had as client has always maintained that PWON is written in stone and that he/she must consume assinine protein numbers, no offense, but I have only gotten two competitors to try to use real protein numbers and just chew their food, and they were just as full and just as hard as on the standard protocols, they just never had the cajones to try it.

i agree. everywhere you go now wm is that much better than dex. but prior to this dex was the only thing. there is no difference. theoretically everyone will say there is but there is no proof. whole foods are just as good. ive tried all the different ways (not wm because im done listening to all the sales pitches and wasting money) and the end visual results have all been the same. do what works for you.

 

[Me2]

i tried the dextrose, whey post w/o shake thing that everyone else was doing and i've never been so fat in my life.

 

[timtim]

i tried the dextrose, whey post w/o shake thing that everyone else was doing and i've never been so fat in my life.

so that 1 meal after workouts only made you fat? doubt it. your diet made you fat.

 

[Crysis6]

I would find it very hard to believe a post workout protein shake is whats making you fat. Checking online now for the waxy maize...didnt know about it, but was aware my whey doesnt have adequate carbs after an intense workout. Like the way that the WM sounds.

 

[Me2]

so that 1 meal after workouts only made you fat? doubt it. your diet made you fat.

It was the only thing i changed in my diet and i also didn't change my training at all so yes, it was the shake that made me fat.

 

[ceo]

INfo on WMS taken from www.trueprotein.com

So what’s so special with Waxy Maize in comparison to dextrose or maltodextrin? Many people have used a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin for post workout nutrition for years because it works and is vital for proper glycogen replenishment. Welcome to the new era of post workout nutrition… Waxy Maize Starch. WMS has a much higher molecular weight and a much lower osmolarity rate compared to dextrose or maltodextrin, so what does this mean… Mainly, WMS bypasses the stomach, is absorbed by the intestines and immediately is assimilated; this is all done at a much faster rate than dextrose or maltodextrin, almost double.

WMS can help the absorption rates of many of your favorite supplements like creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester, cell volumization and nitric oxide type supplements, etc. Nutrients like this often times are left in the stomachs harsh acidic environment and degrade absorption rates. WMS helps shuttle these nutrients to bypass the stomach and allow the body to assimilate these nutrients at a much higher rate.

WMS has the ability to replenish the body’s glycogen stores much faster than a mix of maltodextrin or dextrose. This is accomplished again by WMS’s ability to bypass the stomach and go to the intestines for immediate absorption. WMS’s ability to shuttle all these nutrients and starch gives the body an immediate "pump" you can physically feel in your muscles post workout. You will see a much larger, fuller and rounder muscle belly.

Dextrose and maltodextrin can cause water retention and bloating, hence WMS’s popularity with pre contest and contest preparation carbohydrate replenishment. Many dieters choose WMS as their carb of choice as it is sugar free and an ideal source of a long chain complex carbohydrate.

So that's why WMS is better than dextrose and maltodextrin. Not just in theory, but scientifically. Now, what that translates to in appearance on stage may not matter between WMS and dextr/malto, and folks have been using those for years, but now there's something better.

...by the way, trueprotein is where I buy my WMS (and all my other supps), because they're high quality and the lowest prices I've found. Cool guys running the place too!

You can get 5% off your order with a code (WIN821)...another 5% (10% total) off if you order 16 lbs. or more.

 

[GUARDIAN]

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INfo on WMS taken from www.trueprotein.com

So what’s so special with Waxy Maize in comparison to dextrose or maltodextrin? Many people have used a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin for post workout nutrition for years because it works and is vital for proper glycogen replenishment. Welcome to the new era of post workout nutrition… Waxy Maize Starch. WMS has a much higher molecular weight and a much lower osmolarity rate compared to dextrose or maltodextrin, so what does this mean… Mainly, WMS bypasses the stomach, is absorbed by the intestines and immediately is assimilated; this is all done at a much faster rate than dextrose or maltodextrin, almost double.

WMS can help the absorption rates of many of your favorite supplements like creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester, cell volumization and nitric oxide type supplements, etc. Nutrients like this often times are left in the stomachs harsh acidic environment and degrade absorption rates. WMS helps shuttle these nutrients to bypass the stomach and allow the body to assimilate these nutrients at a much higher rate.

WMS has the ability to replenish the body’s glycogen stores much faster than a mix of maltodextrin or dextrose. This is accomplished again by WMS’s ability to bypass the stomach and go to the intestines for immediate absorption. WMS’s ability to shuttle all these nutrients and starch gives the body an immediate "pump" you can physically feel in your muscles post workout. You will see a much larger, fuller and rounder muscle belly.

Dextrose and maltodextrin can cause water retention and bloating, hence WMS’s popularity with pre contest and contest preparation carbohydrate replenishment. Many dieters choose WMS as their carb of choice as it is sugar free and an ideal source of a long chain complex carbohydrate.

So that's why WMS is better than dextrose and maltodextrin. Not just in theory, but scientifically. Now, what that translates to in appearance on stage may not matter between WMS and dextr/malto, and folks have been using those for years, but now there's something better.

...by the way, trueprotein is where I buy my WMS (and all my other supps), because they're high quality and the lowest prices I've found. Cool guys running the place too!

You can get 5% off your order with a code (WIN821)...another 5% (10% total) off if you order 16 lbs. or more.

 

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[GUARDIAN]

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