PROOF? You Decide.

[Ross]

Show some evidence. Both studies I cited show that 100mgs of IM test can both bring blood levels up into the supra physiological range as well as significantly suppress Lh and FSH. This means that your natty production is going to be significantly suppressed as well. If your total test level is Natty + Injected, I have no idea why you are assuming that your natural production is playing any great role in the equation.

Exactly, great post my friend.

 

[eddymerckx]

Granted, 1850 is insanely high, I have great genetics indeed. Many 19-21 year olds will test that high though, which is why it is TRUE that teenagers don't need steroids!

As for my cycles, I have exceeded 750mgs for sure, my typical cycle contains about that:

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Sustanon, 250mgs
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 50mgs ED

If you want to increase FREE T, nothing is more effective than LJ100, 300mgs of which is contained in AndroGenerator:
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how about plain old proviron--sticks to SHBG like glue and free test goes through the roof.

 

[Tatyana]

Ya tats in this thread right. I know she has no balls but I wanted to get her in on it some how.

Metaphorically speaking, oh yah, I got bollux

 

[Tatyana]

No Nelson, it is a CURVE.

Even so, 100mgs of exogenous Testosterone will put most individuals in the 600-900ng/dl range, and 200mgs will put most individuals in the 1500-2,000 range.

Do you have any evidence on that one, you know I am going to check.

There are a lot of drugs that do not have a linear dose - response curve, which is why the levels are checked, referred to as therapeutic drug monitoring (TDM), which is another thing I do daily in the lab.

Considering how much nattie T levels can vary, how much testicle size can vary (yes back on the balls), how much variation there can be in the efficiency of enzymes like 5 alpha reductase and hormone receptors, I doubt it would be all that easy to predict.

Again, what is your educational background in this area?

I really have to get on and read that androgens and androgen receptors in health and pathology text I picked up recently.

 

[chazk]

Do you have any evidence on that one, you know I am going to check.

There are a lot of drugs that do not have a linear dose - response curve, which is why the levels are checked, referred to as therapeutic drug monitoring (TDM), which is another thing I do daily in the lab.

Considering how much nattie T levels can vary, how much testicle size can vary (yes back on the balls), how much variation there can be in the efficiency of enzymes like 5 alpha reductase and hormone receptors, I doubt it would be all that easy to predict.

Again, what is your educational background in this area?

I really have to get on and read that androgens and androgen receptors in health and pathology text I picked up recently.

Yes tat you are correct test does not have a liner response curve.

many people think that taking 100mg of test will increase the ratio 400 nd/gl
so 200mg would increase it 800 nd/gl.
So people would f figure that 1000mg of test wil increase the the amount by 4000 nd/gl
Not true.
The higher the dose of test the more conversion to estrogen , dht and a dozen or so other hormones takes place.
the drop off after the 2000nd/gl mark in the body is pretty high.
besides a person only has so many steroid receptors these mega doses is just overkill most of the steroid never gets to bind.

 

[Tatyana]

Yes tat you are correct test does not have a liner response curve.

many people think that taking 100mg of test will increase the ratio 400 nd/gl
so 200mg would increase it 800 nd/gl.
So people would f figure that 1000mg of test wil increase the the amount by 4000 nd/gl
Not true.
The higher the dose of test the more conversion to estrogen , dht and a dozen or so other hormones takes place.
the drop off after the 2000nd/gl mark in the body is pretty high.
besides a person only has so many steroid receptors these mega doses is just overkill most of the steroid never gets to bind.

Don't let the bunny costume fool you, it does seem to confuse a few of the noobs, they ignore my advice at times.

I think it is funny

 

[OMEGA]

Great thread. Although, I gotta add, Nelson has a lot of ideas that may seem off to some, but if you give them a try or look at it a different way, you'll see where he is coming from.

After reading his first ebook many years ago, I started taking a lot of the old time supps, Rheo Blair style. I still use those methods today to build my body further and further.

I will say this much, when Nelson competed, he looked better than most on this board, and def. better than a lot in this thread. No offense to anyone but for all the high dosages I see around the boards, I don't see it in the pics.

i concur

 

[digger]

you will not get banned for a post that respectufully disagrees or takes issues with another member, mod, sponsor (unless you disagree with Digger then you are on your own .)

but, the problem with the study is that it is on congenital or unknown cause "Hypogonadal Men"--not those temp supressed via endogenous testosterone. Those men had some sort lh/fsh/gnrh or pituitary issues not an normal man artifically supressed.

I'm not about to ban a college student for a respectful, fact-based post. Carry on, gents.

 

[ceo]

how about plain old proviron--sticks to SHBG like glue and free test goes through the roof.

Or Aromasin

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you want to increase FREE T, nothing is more effective than LJ100, 300mgs of which is contained in AndroGenerator:

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I'm having a hard time believing that.

Here's why:


The ingredients.

Longjack. Let's forget the long study you posted which is just a lot of double talk put out by the company. To be honest, LJ may have some benefits. Nothing has been proven in regard to it being a sex stimulent or its ability to raise free T but who knows? Personally it did NOTHING for me, but maybe you use a good quality and it has value. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Tribulus: Come on, this stuff is a bust. The supp companies have been pushing it on newbies for over 10 years. If this stuff worked we'd have some evidence by now. There's some speculation Trib increases estrogen, which in some people might increase libido. It DOES NOT increase free T.

Vitex. Sorry, but this is a horrible ingredient. Vitex is classified as an ANTI ANDROGEN. Read: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...lactin&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=safari

Do you know how Vitex got a rep? Because about 6 years ago that idiot Bill Roberts did some research and found it decreased estrogen so the morons at Biotest promoted it as such. What they didn't realize is that it decreases estrogen by increasing progesterone and prolactin. This is why it is called CHASTE-berry. It kills libido. It's also why they halted production on it. Everybody was losing their dicks. Get with the times bro. You really should consider removing it.