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[jeremys]

ok, here's the deal. i have 2 powerlifting coaches, and the younger one is a nice guy....but the older one is a fuckhead....he saw me today and told me i could either use their '''strength''' program or i couldnt lift there at all and i could go to the health and fitness place down the road. the bastard told me this in the middle of a workout, and wasted about 5 minutes of my time bitching at me....i would understand his thinking if i HAD to lift during the summer and if i DIDNT have to PAY..i dont think he'll give me my money back if i go somewhere else to lift. anyways, here's the program i have to use....


Day 1: Bench 5x5
Single-Leg Pull 4x6-8
Bar Dips 3x10
Prone Leg Curl 3x12-15
Flyes 4x10-12
Tricep Pushdown 4x8-10
Cable Crossover 3x15

Day 2: Power Clean 3x5
Shoulder Press 4x6-8
Pullover 4x10-12
Rear Delt machine 3x12
side DB raises 3x10-12
hang jumps(what the hell are these?) 4x8@ 25%bodyweit

Day 3: Squat 5x5
Standing leg curl machine 4x10-12
Pull-Ups 3x10
Low Row 4x8-10
Stiff-leg deadlift 4x10-12
Wide grip pulldowns 4x6-8

Day 4: Heavy combo...2 sets of 4 of cleans, into a front squat, into a push press.. 3 sets of 1 pull, 3 power clean, 3 front squat

Snatch 3x5
Lunge 3x12
standing leg curl machine 3x10
DB shoulder press 3x10-12
Leg extension 4x8-12
Upright row 3x8-12


all in all, looks pretty shitty to me. i dont know what to do. i could work out at the school for 14 bucks or at the fintess center for probably 100+ dollars for a summer....sucks shit. i was hoping my coach would be a guy with an open mind and not be a prick

 

[benchmonster]

That is a pretty tough situation to find yourself in. The program he is espousing looks like a pretty typical old school football program. It is actually IMHO pretty innovative compared with what was available to me in high school.

You can either go to the fitness center and train the way you want, or just go along with his program and do the best you can with it. At your current age and fitness level, you can probably make pretty good gains on almost any program, so if for some reason you have to stay there and do this program, all is not lost.

I know some of the goals you have for the near future, though, and in my opinion, if you can afford to do so, go to another gym, forget the 14 bucks and get strong and fast. But like I said, if you are forced by circumstance to lift at the school, it is not the end of the world, you will get stronger almost by osmosis at your age.

B.

 

[jeremys]

i just thought of something. i could do that program and at like 8:30 every morning he takes people out and they go running. i figured i could look around the weightroom a lot and if he's not there, i could do whatever i had to do, then when he's around give this bastard a try for light weights for warmups? i'd just hate to have him walk in and see me in the middle of a box squat...lol

 

[jeremys]

do any of you guys count daily protein intake or no? ever since a couple days ago i did, but then i just said screw it....now i dont know if i'm getting enough...but i dont feel any weaker..yet.

 

[Cubanito17]

OK now u didn't mention but I'm kinda guessing you train westside so here's what I would tell ur coach if it was me(I was in this situation kinda, explain later)I would tell him "let me cut u a deal if with my program I DON'T get stronger than I'll try yours, but I'm sure your program doesn't have 600+lb benchers, 800+lb squat and deadlifters and mine does so let me do my own thing" that's one thing you could do

The other would be do whatever you want in the gym when he looks over at ya just pretend like ur takin a break and just do one set of somethin he has on his workout or somethin to shut the ol bastard up.

My story is my old PL coach in HS wanted me to bench with my elbows tucked out he said that I would be ALOT stronger. Well I told him in November coach let me do my own thing and this kid that was about my height and we weighed the same and we both ate healthy lets call him R. I said me and R are gonna have a competition he's gonna do your workout while I do mine and see who pauses more at the end. Now R had me over 20lbs on bench to start with but it was with A BIG BOUNCE so I didn't worry. It turns out at the end of the season my last lift ever 270 pause his best lift 240(struggle like a bitch),....so what I'm sayin is dude if it's workin for ya don't give it up for some jackass that probably has not only ever touched a weight but never achieved anythin while he was in HS.

 

[jeremys]

i dont think this guy will let me cut him a deal...he's quite a hardass. and i dont wanna ask because if he says no then he'll be on me the whole time, i'd never get anything done...i COULD talk to my other coach though...

 

[jayde]

The other would be do whatever you want in the gym when he looks over at ya just pretend like ur takin a break and just do one set of somethin he has on his workout or somethin to shut the ol bastard up.

Any coach worth his weight should know what you are doing and when and how. I've had internet coaches that I can't fool with that stuff.

My advice is to be straight with him. Tell him you want to try something else and you'd like his help implementing it. Tell him you know its not what he would recommend, but you'd like to see if he can help MODIFY it to work, as you (or someone you know)has had success with it and you know he's knowledgable enough to make it work for you. Hopefully that'll stroke his ego enough to want to help.
Good luck
gabrielle

 

[Arioch]

Talk to the director of secondary education. Get as much supporting documentation as possible. Talk to other local coaches, etc., and get their opinion. Then go back to the director of secondary education. Talk to former athletes who have gotten hurt, and when you go back to talk to the director of secondary education again, point out the injury history (which will probably be higher than normal - I posted a couple of studies on the women's board) and the potential for liability.

Quite honestly, even more than his program, his attitude sucks. The number one skill of a coach is learning to adapt to the athlete, and this includes modifying the training program. I have had to do things the complete opposite way I prefer to get results with athletes, but so what? It is not about what the coach wants, but about the results he can achieve.

Coaching is teaching, and teaching is learning. This man is doing none of those.

 

[jeremys]

I would like to talk to him about it but he's a friggin ignorant prick. i've NEVER seen him lift anything...and my aunt(she's like 22) went to the same highschool and told me when she was in powerlifting that she had the same coach. he was an ass even back then. it would be nice to have him help me out w/ this and support me even though i'm not doing his shit program...but i'm pretty positive he wont. i just read the first page of my program and the second rule/expectation is that everybody has to have a school program....i know he wont make an exception. but if i did try to do this, i'd steal a quote from louie and remind him that if you dont keep up with the times, you fall behind...which is exactly what's happening. our school won the state championship the last few years except last year i think....and other schools were coming out with some big numbers...hmm...they probably arent making progress with some program like we have. grrr..i think powerlifting this year will suck.

i think i'll talk to the younger coach first, then i'll try talking to the ass-goblin. thanks for the ideas

 

[Arioch]

If you do not get the results you want, remember, you can go over his head. Someone is paying him, get them on your side (by this I mean if it is a public school program, the more taxpayers who complain, the better- private school, the more contributors (usually former graduates who give loads of cash to the school) who complain, the better).

This may sound bad, but if you are young, your opinion will not be given the same weight your parents opinion would be, for example. Sad but true.

The number one reason dumbasses like that stay in their position instead of being kicked out is that not enough people get involved in the daily problems that occur. And this is normally the case. If you really want to hear about stoooooopid, ask Cubanitio about the liftins schedule he was supposed to compete under.